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Difference between the newer no pivot looks to older pivot looks.

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devo
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other than the heel piece pivot point what is the main difference.
are the no models better, or more durable...
Dec 21 2006 12:41AM
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rockymountainmilitia
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the old pivot heal was good but the technology was lacking. for that type of system with a pivot heal to really work, you would need a pivot toe and heal. hence the line binding, but we all know how the line binding turned out. the new look or rossi bindings are good. better forward pressure and less likely to get fucked up on switch landings if you bail.
Dec 21 2006 1:26AM
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Jib_This
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The main difference is that there aren't buckets of broken PX10/12/14s in tech shops all over North America.
Dec 21 2006 3:38AM
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bobs
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word listen to him.  The new ones have a more consistant release at odd angles, increased foward pressure for better conection to the ski, and they still have a huge amout of travel which stops prereleases. Some people are just hesitant about change or still attached to their old pivots.
Dec 21 2006 10:05AM
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=nick=
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haha yup
Dec 21 2006 10:52AM
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Spitzer
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Don't all the Rossi/Look toe pieces have lateral and upward release though? I'm pretty sure about the lateral release.

When I talked to my Rossi rep, he said that the engineers saw the benefits of a higher forward pressure to outweigh the benefits of a pivoting heelpiece. So essentially, there isn't anything wrong with the older pivot style heel pieces based on my rep's statement. They did keep the turntable bindings for their race stock...

There's also the issue of the arms on the heel piece. On the older pivot style bindings, the arm could technically get in the way if the heel of your boot wanted to slide out. With the new PX and Axial2 bindings, there's room for the heel if your boot wants to slide out.

Anybody have any definitive answers cause it doesn't seem like anybody is sure about the pros and cons between the two bindings.
Dec 21 2006 1:54PM
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bobs
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yes there is lateral and up release but he was saying for a heel pivot to be fully effective (no odd release angle) the toe piece would have to pivot as well. Thats what line tried to do but as we all know they kept breaking.  Theres very little wrong with pivots theyre a great binding. The px/ axial 2 are just new upgrades take it or leave it at that.

Dec 21 2006 2:20PM
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Spitzer
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Which type of fall was the Line reactor supposed to address? Was it the backwards twisting?
Dec 21 2006 2:31PM
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bobs
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i believe so
Dec 21 2006 2:38PM
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=nick=
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if the pivots were out forever, wouldnt there be more pairs that accumulatd over the years?
Dec 21 2006 3:25PM
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Love_Wins.
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I like the old Pivots better, but alot of people like the new PX, and the Reactor was supposed to address the twisting falls, but the toes don't release vertically, so if you land straight and backseat, you can break a leg or something.
Dec 21 2006 6:05PM
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Spitzer
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Anybody ever consider a Look/Rossi pivot heel with a Salomon toe piece? The Solly toe piece having the pivoting ball...

Wonder if that'd work.
Dec 21 2006 6:39PM
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ds.181.3
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The biggest advantage of the pivot compared to the px is that the pivot would not slide back and release when landing switch, like a standard track binding does. The increases forward pressure on the px addresses this to some degree, but will still slide back under hard impact.

The px releases more consistantly from all angles which makes it slightly safer. It is all about trade offs and prefferances, but the only way to make good educated choices is to get out there and ride different equipment. Then you will know what you like and you don't.

And remember, nothing is perfect. The FKS bindings for instance dont release upward (except 120), and wing solly's prerelease if not adjusted properly and rechecked daily.
Dec 21 2006 7:00PM
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unchyll
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Hey sorry for trying to take over the topic but i got the new look 2007 Look PX 12 Ti JIB Park/Freeride Bindings are they any good i havent been able to ski them yet cus i rboke my ankle 2 weeks ago
Dec 21 2006 7:04PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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my rossi axial 110 powers toe moved..i dont know if it was just that binding but on one crazy bail i had the toepeice moved completly sideways...all i had to do was press it a little and it went back to normal but i ont dont
Dec 21 2006 7:07PM
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ds.181.3
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yeah, they are pretty decent
Dec 21 2006 7:08PM
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devo
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so is it worth getting the new models.
Dec 23 2006 7:39PM
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drewishish
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there lighter to... somthing like 30% then the older models,more forward pressure as stated earlier
Dec 23 2006 9:06PM
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Spitzer
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If I have a set of Solly toepieces and Rossi heelpieces, and a pair of urban skis, then i'll do it up.
Dec 23 2006 9:47PM
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nychka
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i was just thinking about this the other day. "franken-bindings" it'd be sick
Dec 24 2006 1:05AM
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BULLSEMEN
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they are supposed to do that
Dec 24 2006 12:14PM
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n-o
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i love my p12's.. in fact i didnt buy a new pair of bindins this eyar, just becasue i like mine so much!.. if i bought another pair i wouldnt get the px's id go for the races or p18's or whatever the shit has the 360 degree heel piece
Dec 24 2006 2:17PM
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Spitzer
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not to nit-pick, but what's wrong with the new PX bindings?
Dec 24 2006 2:21PM
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Ryno
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I've seen a lot of PX bashing...i sure as hell hope they are fine seeing as myself and pretty much everyone else on this site picked up a pair off sac
Dec 24 2006 2:38PM
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ds.181.3
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word. Wasn't that SAC deal awesome?
Dec 24 2006 6:12PM
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n-o
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nothing at all.. i just liek the swively bindings !

but yea looks and rossis all the way.. fuck salomon
Dec 24 2006 6:27PM
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lyndon
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just the crappy low end models.
Dec 24 2006 6:31PM
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hollygrove
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Has happened to me on a handfull of occasions.
Dec 24 2006 10:57PM
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Spitzer
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Yeah, I have 3 pairs of them myself, and was a bit skeptical when they ditched their old pivot design.

I now have 2 pairs of the new PX/Axial2 bindings and I find that they're actually more responsive than their older counterpart.

Give em a try if you can... ;)
Dec 24 2006 11:04PM
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SlickRick.
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i made that effort to find the pivot looks this year. took me awhile to get them but i think it was worth it
Dec 25 2006 12:08AM
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