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Big mountain skis

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reski132
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I'm looking into getting a pair of big mountain skis that i can still ski in some bumps and groomers. I ski about 30 pow
40 blacks and double blacks 30 trees
i'm 6'2
175 lbs
and a descently advanced skier. I ski backcountry in colorado and in breck a basin and vail. I need skis that will be good in all conditions and durable. Also need to be able to stomp a landing and not washout.
Dec 10 2006 9:24PM
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hollygrove
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prophet 100 186?
nordica blower 185
Dec 10 2006 9:28PM
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cobra_commander
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do you need a twin?
Dec 10 2006 9:38PM
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reski132
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id like a twin because i like to do some switch skiing
Dec 10 2006 9:39PM
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reski132
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and the one ski that i keep getting recomendations on is the seth viscous and it seems to fit the bill but idk if i should get the 189 or 179
Dec 10 2006 9:44PM
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cobra_commander
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Twin tips to look at are the K2 Seth, Fisher Atuas, Dynastar Big Troubles, and on the stiffer side Volkl Gotamas, and Head Mojo 105's
But if you can live with a directional ski go with the Rossi B4's, BSquad or Dynastar Legend 8800's or Pros.
Dec 10 2006 9:45PM
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skimasterflex
Posts: 2064 - Karma: 16
buy my Kingswood Midfats:

https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/264797/

They're sick and perfect for what you have discussued.
Dec 10 2006 10:05PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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get 189 at your size, the midfats from what ive heard are also pretty sick, im on Ants now and im 5 11 175lbs, a little to cumbersome to throw around in tight trees though
Dec 10 2006 10:08PM
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Aenigma
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If you get a big mountain ski it's not going to be good in the bumps, just to warn you in advance.  My recommendations would be:
Directional:
186 Legend Pro
183 Mojo 103
184 B Squad

Twins:
181/191 Mojo 105
183/190 Gotama
183/193 Pimp
185 Scratch BC
189 Seth
(don't know sizes) Big Trouble-really stretching it


Obviously you won't be doing too much switch riding on the Mojo 103, but the LP's have a partial twin so there's a possibility that you could do some mediocre switch turns on them.  Basically, the more you move into a dedicated big mountain board, the worse it's going to be for park and skiing switch.  But on the other hand, the directional skis I listed up there are some of the most fun skis you will ever ride;  they make skiing easy as long as you stay on them.
Dec 10 2006 10:54PM
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reski132
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how would any of those skis compare to sprayer bc 176 in the conditions that i ski
Dec 10 2006 11:00PM
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skimasterflex
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Yeah dude you can totally ski switch on the new Legend Pros cuz they aren't as stiff as the old ones.

In general real Big Mountain Skis are effing sick but definitely make you step up your game a bit. That is why I'm selling the Midfats, to get a long stiff directional big mountain ski lke the XXL Legend pros. The Stiff KW Midfat is a great big mountain twin unless you're looking for something long as it's about 183cm.

I'm 6' 200lbs and pretty strong so I'm looking for a ski that will kick my ass and keep me in the gym all year :) The KWs are sick but they overlap with my other KWs too much and don't quite fit the "Long Stiff" bill. When the 193 Midfats come out those will be the ill shit. I'm hoping they'll someday make a 195 Fat too.
Dec 10 2006 11:02PM
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bikerocker
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i'd say snowblades, or line invaders.
or ficher atuas, armada arv in a 185, armada ants, atomic pimps, atomic pimps, and if you can find them scott p4's. I love my p4's.
Dec 10 2006 11:02PM
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Aenigma
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You'll have to be more specific for me to give a real answer, but I can tell you that they're all stiffer.  I also just noticed that you said you were an advanced skier, so you can probably rule out the first three skis I listed, the 190 Gotama, the 191 Mojo 105, and the 193 Pimp.  Those are all quite a bit to handle even if you're skiing hard.
Dec 10 2006 11:04PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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oh have you heard anything about the mojo 105 how is it staking up to the other big mt. twins?
Dec 10 2006 11:12PM
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Aenigma
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I haven't ridden any, I've only heard about them and fondled them.  Personally, I don't think any twin can ever be as good as a directional ski for big mountain just because of the flex pattern and the fact that there's a tip in the back.  Anyways, I've heard that they're pretty fun;  just a more versatile alternative to the 103.

And skimasterflex, I was just jokingly saying it's a possibility.  I'll probably do a few small switch landings on my pro riders, but seeing as their tips are stiffer than most skis tails you won't spot me going ass-first down the mountain very often.  I probably should've put "mediocre" in bold or something.  But I didn't because they're made to be center mounted and skied switch onto rails. 
Dec 10 2006 11:20PM
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reski132
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i think that im gona go with last years seths in 189 how are those in bumps because i kno they're pretty good in everything else that i want
Dec 10 2006 11:22PM
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Aenigma
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They're a little slow in the bumps, but you'll live.  I have mine mounted with AT bindings though, so I can't say exactly how they'll behave when it gets bumpy.  Overall they're a pretty fun everyday ski;  they don't really excel at anything but they're definitely not bad for anthing either.

Dec 10 2006 11:27PM
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.renegade.
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Go with the Bsquads
I skied them today for a few runs and absolutely loved them.
I thought they were a lot of fun everywhere and I was surprised to enjoy them in the moguls. It just takes a little bit of time to change how you ski to get used to them.
Dec 11 2006 12:45AM
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steezerampage
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According to what I have read I would reccomend the Karmas in the lonest length they have(I'm not exactly sure, maybe 184?) It sounds like you do a lot more bumps, and on mountain(aka lack of pow) then pow. I know your thinking WHAT THOSE ARE SKIINY. But personally I ski mostly on mountain so I usually ride a skinny ski too. I you already have a skinny ski that is good for bumps and usual use, get some seths or some gots or what ever. But if you dont I would recommend something thinner. The foils and ar6s are a nice blend of mid fat and skinny.
Dec 11 2006 12:53AM
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Jarle
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Real big mountain skis dont have twintip...

I like the b-squad pro
Dec 11 2006 6:04AM
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Silence
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Get skimasterflex's Kingswoods - they are perfect for you.

PLUS they are custom
PLUS they are in immaculate condition
PLUS they are at a good price and you dont need to pay shipipng and wait for them to come from NZ.
Dec 11 2006 6:13AM
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psychkub
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I guess I'll chime in for tha 9. I ski Ninthward THA 187s and they're perfect for big mountain and groomers. They're stable in both conditions and the sidecut is enough to give you some turning ability on the groomers. As for quality, anyone that skis ninthward skis can tell you the construction is excellent. Forget the hype man, just go for quality skis... If you have the ability to demo them, I highly suggest them... and at $499, you can't go wrong.
Dec 11 2006 11:50AM
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skimasterflex
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I thought "big mountain groomer" was the biggest oxymoron until I read further and saw "ninthward skis...construction excellent"

Every pair I've ever seen has been falling appart. And someone I know quit riding for them competitively this year for that very reason.
Dec 11 2006 12:30PM
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psychkub
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heh, I guess I got one of the rare pairs that has held up fine, then.
Dec 11 2006 12:57PM
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Aenigma
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This thread has gone to hell.  I guess I might be out of touch, but last time I checked the AR6, Foil, Karma, and Tha 187 were not big mountain skis.
Dec 11 2006 7:18PM
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steezerampage
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Maybe you should read into what this guy si going to be using them for. Take a true big mountain ski into the bumps and tell me how that treats ya. I think what we all need to know is what other skis do you own?
Dec 11 2006 7:29PM
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steezerampage
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I wouldnt go any fatter than some 183 gots, or some ARVs
Dec 11 2006 7:31PM
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psychkub
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then what the hell kind of skis are THA 187s then?
Dec 11 2006 7:43PM
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skimasterflex
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stiffest and softest of the non handmade powder skis, great comparison..?

I think more people need to read my review of ski categories:

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3616&PN=1
Dec 11 2006 7:53PM
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invaderskier36
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LINE SFB
Dec 11 2006 7:54PM
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steezerampage
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thanks
Dec 11 2006 8:23PM
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skimasterflex
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Thee Big Mountain Park Ski of All Time... rofl.
Dec 11 2006 9:03PM
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