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Groom Killed on Wedding Day

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Tasche
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/25/nyc.shooting.ap/index.html

Why the fuck did they ram and under cover cop and crash into a mini van. That is attempted murder and although the police reaction was over zealous it is not unwarranted. Would anyone be standing up for the rights of the criminals if they were white trash?
Nov 26 2006 11:50AM
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chapz
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wtf, thats bullshit, why would they shoot them, i didnt find anything saying what the groom did wrong
Nov 26 2006 11:58AM
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Tasche
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ya your right however,

If you look at it from the cops perspective,
1) Suspected gun men leaving know drug dealing area
2) Attempted vehicular homicide

If I were a cop I probably shoot but I probably wouldn't unload 2 fucking clips.
Nov 26 2006 12:03PM
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SkierX
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I'm sure there's more to the story than is printed.

Media is a business, not a truth telling venture.
Nov 26 2006 12:05PM
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Jacobamf
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"Although it is too early to draw conclusions about this morning's shootings ... we know that the NYPD officers on the scene had reason to believe that an altercation involving a firearm was about to happen and were trying to stop it," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a statement.

So we decided not to check if he really had one and went ahead and shot him 50 times
Nov 26 2006 12:06PM
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Black-Bandanna
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You sir, are comepletely right.
Nov 26 2006 12:55PM
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STREETS
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dark: The reason the cop used 2 clips is prolly cause he was shitting his pants!
(I still don't know how to quote people can anyone show me?)
Nov 26 2006 1:20PM
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Jacobamf
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Hit the "quote reply" under their name on the left
Nov 26 2006 1:25PM
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iridefattwins
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i like how they said 51 rounds fired and only 21 hit
Nov 26 2006 1:28PM
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Jacobamf
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How do you miss a car?
Nov 26 2006 1:31PM
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Benson23
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yea but yea those cops are fuckin idiots you dont shoot someone for hitting your car.
Nov 26 2006 2:09PM
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petek
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Yeah man, "undercover at a strip club"
Nov 26 2006 2:13PM
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Rajna
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seems your right, i read it and they didnt really say much about the polices motive. Police dont fire 50 shots for no reason. The whole thing seems kinda shady...
Nov 26 2006 2:15PM
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J.D.
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You are a veritable investigative journalist, cutting right to the true heart of the matter while everyone else is hung up on the insignificant details. Bravo!
Nov 26 2006 2:32PM
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Tasche
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its hard to shot a nine millimeter at point blank range at a stationary target. Let alone the target be as small as a car.

I still cant get over the fact that no one is addressing the reasons why they rammed the cops?
Nov 26 2006 2:59PM
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skoganskier101
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i hate cops, there so gay and then they do this, i remeebr there have been several other instances where cops screwed up and either killed a man,or horribly beat up a totally innocent person, there should be no toleration to cops l;ike this, i think its fair that when the victims heal they should be allowed to unload 2 clips out of a .45 at the cops, so thatt way the crime is made up for then some punishment for their stupid scared choice. i hope those cops feel really good, they just ruined a perfectly innocent would be family for no reason.I HATE COPS
Nov 26 2006 3:52PM
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Aenigma
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I know it's far too late for this, but before you go generalizing all cops as "gay" you need to understand that the only things you hear about are the bad things.  Why would the media publicize something good that's been done in America?  Nobody wants to hear about that, they only want to hear the bad so they can criticize.

Nov 26 2006 4:05PM
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Ryno
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Take out the groom details and you would have never heard of this story.

this shit happens all the time.
Nov 26 2006 4:06PM
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manuel87
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most stupid answer ive read so far..

how can you say they were innocent if you dont know any details .. as some already said it seems theres more to the story than the news published by the press
Nov 26 2006 4:10PM
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manuel87
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meant for skoganskier101
Nov 26 2006 4:11PM
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Casey
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at first i thought this thread said, "Grom killed on wednesday" I can't read.
Nov 26 2006 4:11PM
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skogenjake
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attempted vehicular homicide? we have no idea why they rammed the guy or car, they didnt explain it or i missed it...the driver could have slipped and hit drive instead of reverse and accidently hit the car...they werent trying to kill cops, i mean, they were undercover right? why were they trying to hit anyone? it seems like an accident is the only explanation. this story should have been written when all the facts were in...i mean, a group of guys come out of a strip club, they cops see they are black, so obviously they are packing drugs and guns. when they get into their car, they randomly pull out and hit someone and another car, which is obviously a malicious attack because these men obviosuly knew that the random car and man they hit were cops, and they were trying to kill them...its such a clusterfuck of a story i want to hear the final story regarding this. 5 cops opened fire on the car...why? were the guys in the car like flooring it and driving off with their hands in their jackets? you dont just randomly open fire...it reminds me on the dave chappelle "sprinkle some crack on them" police work.
Nov 26 2006 4:26PM
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steezyjibber
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I was like 10 miles away when it happened.
Nov 26 2006 4:47PM
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RoLLLinDeep
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the groom fuckin ran over a fuckin undercover cop you retard....thats enough right there for the cops to shoot the fuck out of that drunk clonw
Nov 26 2006 5:00PM
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STREETS
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Thanks for helping a neewb out lol
Nov 26 2006 6:03PM
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Jacobamf
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^Np
Nov 26 2006 6:07PM
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Jamesl48
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Anyone else think it's ridiculous that they kept the guy who was shot 11 times handcuffed to his bed in the hospital, even though he was in critical condition?

Also, I understand that the cops were probably scared after they almost got run over, but that doesn't excuse the murder they committed.
Nov 26 2006 6:09PM
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Jacobamf
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^He could have rolled away on the IV machine!
Nov 26 2006 6:20PM
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Tasche
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Ok so this is how I see it. Those guys were doing some illegal shit in that strip club. One of them was thought to have a gun. The police were listening to their conversation inside the club and decided that they needed to be arrested and questioned. As they came out they were probably drunk or high and got in their car. As soon as an officer steeped out to arrest them they gunned it ramming the office and crashed into a mini van. One of the suspects escaped on foot while police opened fire on the car. The excessive gun fire was due to the fact that the suspects presented reckless behavior in trying to ram a cop.

I am pulling all of this straight out of my ass and trying to play devils advocate a little bit but this seams like the most likely situation to me. The headline would have been a lot different if it would have read "Gang members killed in shoot out with police" Just because he is getting married doesn't make him a good person. I believe in the police and think that their force was extremely excessive but permissible due to the circumstance.
Nov 26 2006 8:07PM
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Tasche
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Oh ya they rammed the police mini van TWICE that is not an accident that is malicious intent.
Nov 26 2006 8:13PM
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SkierX
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Maybe I missed it, but could you see ANYWHERE in the article where it said the people were black? Because I certainly didn't see it anywhere, and I reread it twice to make sure...

Try again.

Were any of you there?


I didn't think so.

There is clearly more to the story that wasn't included in the news article.
Nov 26 2006 8:53PM
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-benedetto
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al sharpton's getting involved, run.
the story now takes a full 360. its not a racial issue. i fucking hate that guy
Nov 26 2006 9:08PM
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JazzyJ
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this is getting alot of coverage here in nyc. Jesse jackson and al sharpton are getting involved and of course "racial profiling" is brought up.
Nov 26 2006 9:39PM
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Tasche
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if you watch the video they were black guys. It wouldn't be such a sensational news story if they were white.
Nov 27 2006 9:29AM
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SkierX
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My bad,. i didn't care enough to bother watching the video.

Because I know it's runaway journalism.
Nov 27 2006 9:31AM
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TimothyLord
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stupid shit right there
Nov 27 2006 1:13PM
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Casey
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either way, they shot 50 bullets at them, a train was hit and shit. like even if they deserved to get shot its not safe to the public that the cops open up WW3 right on the street.
Nov 27 2006 1:54PM
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skogenjake
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gang members? i dont remeber seeing anything about gang affiliation.

i understand what you're saying though. i just havent seen anything new on it. i want to hear some justification. i honestly dont care that it was a groom. i didnt think about that after reading the title. it ,for me, was about the cops dropping 50 rounds on an unarmed group of guys in a car. warning shot? hit the tires? so much wrong. so easily avoidable
Nov 29 2006 4:56PM
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skithebert
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I told my roommate about this and he said, "that's the best thing that ever happened to that guy" haha.
Nov 29 2006 5:00PM
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petek
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Thats what I'm here for man. You can't be undercover at a strip club, its a contradiction in terms.
Nov 29 2006 5:03PM
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Skipig25
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so basically he was in a strip club, then he tried to run down the police with his van, and they shot him. If somebody tried to run me over, I'd be pissed too
Nov 29 2006 5:15PM
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Lé.Skiing
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they had no right to open fire on that car.. becasue
A)they had no proof they had a weapon...
B)he may have hit a cop, but there are bad drivers everywhere.
so does that mean everytime someone accidently hits a cop or any person with a vehicle that gives cops the right to open fire and shoot "50" bullets... like jesus one cop fired like 31 rounds i think i read somewhere.. like what teh fuck that means he had to re-load a couple times.. like you think after the first clip he wasnt feeling confident that he had immobalized the suspect.. and yah the only thing a cop is supposed to do is immobalise not kill... like shoulder shots not either head ot chest shots... like fuck cops are stupid... it makes me want to fucking kill them alot of them have stupid power trips heres a good example
Nov 29 2006 5:17PM
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DANETRON
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i find it funny how they were trying to stop a gun fight with a gun fight
Nov 29 2006 6:35PM
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n-o
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americans are so fucking trigger happy
Nov 29 2006 7:05PM
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