Facebook political debate

I know its way to long but if you have time...



(The following is in responce to a note posted by lonnie B which can be viewed at the bottom of this page)

My Rebuttal

First off, are you saying you believe everything you see read and hear? Because that is just silly. Second off there are only a few opinions in my list that could be untrue. So a few is like 2 and 2 out of 20 is only 10% so if you want you can not believe 10% of my list not 90% like Lonnie would like you to believe. Lastly thanks for James for bringing this to my attention.

Ok I will look you straight in the computer eye and tell you that Bill “Fuck Neck” Clinton was a good president. He really did do a lot to restructure Medicare, social security and the national debt. Not to mention improving world relations. I also think that “Fuck Neck” is way off base if anything it should be “Fuck Mouth”. Sure he raised taxes but by a smaller percent than Regan and George Bush senior. He could have done it Walkers way and started a war that we can’t win and pour billions into that, run up the national debt and eliminate the middle class but I will get into that later.

OIL
Ok the true reason for going to Iraq was to restructure the Iraqi government to cater to US companies and to marginalize Saddam’s control over oil prices. See OPEC puts a quota on how much Oil an OPEC nation can produce. Saddam’s quota was set so ridiculously low that he decided to fuck with OPEC. He would produce right up to his quota then bring production down to 20% in one month. Supply and demand created a void in the market and oil prices fluctuated like a bitch. Not a very nice thing to do to the world’s largest and most powerful organization. So what was the plan? It was suppose to be a one-year occupation in which the oil fields of Iraq would be handed over to the state. (Not the US a puppet Iraqi Government) This creates a nice little bitch for the US oil corporations who would produce right at its little quota and keep the oil price high. Now as far as the drilling of the ANWR goes I am pro. I am a petroleum engineer that is good for the US and the environmental impact would be relatively small if harsh regulations were used. You argument that just because I might never go to Alaska it should be trashed is pretty silly. I might never set foot in your dorm room but that doesn’t mean I don’t care if you are living in asbestos. Ok now on to Hugo Chavez. Chavez controls the larges oil field on the planet, about the same size of the proven reserves in the 60s, enough oil to run the world well into the next century and beyond. However it is nasty oil, tar like and hard as fuck to get out of the ground. Oil prices have to stay above 50 dollars a barrel to make it economical. See Alaska and Iraq have sweet honey oil it basically refines it self. That’s why it sounds so exciting to oil companies. They can get rich as shit by telling everyone that we are running out of oil then keeping production levels down through OPEC players. Some unintelligent liberals think that we are running out of oil and should run our cars on hopes and dreams but they are fucking retarded and all they have to do is pick up a petroleum textbook and turn to “World Proven Reserves” sections. By the way Bush also scared the nation into OPEC submission with the “Run to the hills were running out of oil” speech. Back to Chavez, well Chavez doesn’t want to play OPEC rules, so we keep the price of oil high enough to make a profit and low enough that Chavez doesn’t control the oil market. That is why we went to Iraq.

Iraq
IS FUCKED. Yep it is straight fucked. The powers that be in Iraq, the neo cons and the republicans, have turned it into a bust. If you want to argue that it needed to be done from a humanitarian standpoint I can point out several places in the world that are experiencing genocide on a massive scale and the US turns the blind eye. Ok so Iraq was a shitty place before we invaded but you really think we made it any better? We drove up the unemployment rate, destroyed their economy by turning it into a big market drop off of unsold cheep goods and killed 30,000 of their people. We eliminated tariffs in Iraq so cheap foreign goods flooded in and killed the local economy. Just because they are at war doesn’t mean that they stop eating and living. We fucked up there country to the point of no return. By the way we gave Saddam the gudence program that he tested on the Kurds. When that happened we knew damn well what was going on and we did nothing. This is the using chemical weapons on his own people thing.

Ok your point about fighting gay people is lost on me. So you are admitting you are an evil red neck that cares only about himself? You said “homosexuals are sissy liberals”. Where is the human decency in that statement? You go on to say “I'm pretty sure I can kick their ass if need be”. I would be a little worried because gay people travel in packs and work out all the time so check your self. Look I like a good fag joke as much as the next guy and also I don’t like hanging out with gay people but I could give a shit fuck ass frog if they want to get married. How in any way does that remotely affect you? Just live your own life.

I’m not liberal or conservative I am humanitarian and sane. I like trees and rarely smoke pot so I wouldn’t really consider myself a pot-smoking hippie.

God
Ya that really didn’t have anything to do with politics, which was exactly my point. Separation of church and state is at the base of the founding ideals of the US. Having the republicans drag god into political arguments is obscene. I don’t believe in a religious god because its bull shit. I mean think about some guy 1600 years ago wrote a book about a guy who lived 2000 years ago and we are suppose to take it as historical fact. People argue how Elvis lived and died and that was only 30 years ago. Not only does this book contradict itself in a staggering number of ways it can be proven wrong through rational thought. Rational thought seams to apply to everything in society except religion. People need something to believe in so if you want to be a Christian then go right ahead but don’t push your bull shit on me or the rest of the American people. I’m not saying there isn’t a god just that religion is bull shit.

Economy
Bush did ruin the economy. Clinton left us with 5.6 trillion budget surplus. George Bush blew it all, stone sober, and then he went another 4 trillion into the red and not just because of the Iraq war (600 billion a year) but also a multitude of other factors. Repealing the inheritance tax, filling up the strategic petroleum reserve, taking over pension obligations of US corporations, ect. So ya he straight up dry fucked the economy so don’t tell me he isn’t responsible because he damn well is.

Big Corporations
That is economics and will happen but the key is to keep competition, which the republicans eliminate. They also make it impossible for small companies to survive by giving huge tax cuts to the big boys and letting the mom and pops suffer. How about his giving the tax cuts to the small business like the Democrats did to try to slow the expansion of these massive corporations. Your buddy is a dummy and needs to take intro into economics or read any economy text. Also that bull shit that he is trying to pull about the minimum wage. Fuck man it’s all there remember history repeats its self. FDR instated the new deal to revive the US economy. 40 hour work week, minimum wage, pension programs, overtime, pretty much everything the US back bone is based on and Bush single handedly destroyed these Ideals in one term. (thats right Bush instated a law the dosent allow anyone who gives skilled advise to collect overtime, suck it caddies)

Class War
There is a war going on not in Iraq but right here in our own backyards. The middle class is shrinking at an alarming rate and the distribution of wealth is all funneling into the upper 2% of America. Now I am proud to say that I have several friends and, of this select group of people, that are privileged enough to know me, none of them even come close to being the richest 2% of America. That includes you Lonnie, Bowers, Dan, random person reading this. The Bush administration is stealing from you on an unprecedented scale and all you can think about is fags tying the knot. Every law Bush passes has this theme in mind; Repealing the inheritance tax, lobbying for a flat tax, giving tax breaks to CEO’s of large corporations, failure to raise the minimum wage, running up the national debt, giving away outrageous defense contracts with no competitive design, elimination of over time. This is just a short list of what he has done.

In the end I feel that it really comes down to this. Are you conservative because you believe in the politics or the idea. Both are pretty fucking weak to me.

Supplement A:
Dan Kulp circa 2006
“I thought liberal and white didn't go together, or maybe they do because you think black people aren't smart enough to vote.”

Listen I don’t really consider myself a liberal but I would rather be considered part of the party that treats all people the same. Black votes were not counted, plain and simple. Not because they are stupid but because they were given inadequate voting machines among other things. Also the republicans that counted the votes threw out absentee ballots that were addressed from poor black areas. Also they used voter caging, which is where a list of likely democratic voters is collected then upon election day challenged these votes. A technique that hasn’t been practiced since the Jim Crow days. Now that is fucked up. Not to mention instating a voting tax in New Mexico that is against the constitution. Here is a funny story. When the En Espanola function was tested on voting machines used throughout California they were 50% more likely not to be counted. When confronted about the problem the company said they would look into it. Come voting day the same test was conducted with identical results. That’s odd I thought they were looking into it. Wait that story isn’t funny at all its more um… ya terrifying.


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By Lonnie (we are friends)
Ok Bob, I read your note, I have a few things to say - not on behalf of conservatives, but on the behalf of those who believe everything they hear and read. (Don't believe 90% of Bob's note)
1st - Don't look me square in the eye and tell me that Bill "Fuck Neck" Clinton was a great president. Sure the economy was good, just like it was since the 30's - don't credit Clinton for "saving the economy" by raising taxes two different times. War costs money - yes war, when different countries attack each other, there will be war, that's just how it works. Quit blaming Bush for our economy, try spending some money on things other than pot and computer games liberal, it might help.
2nd - I don't think Hugo "Fat Back" Chavez controls Alaska. But I do know that every liberal in the fucking U.S. makes a point to cry about "No Drilling In Alaska." Try and tell me that all you shit head liberals have set plans to make a trip to Alaska to witness it's wildlife and all it's beauty. Quit crying and let us drill in God Damn Alaska, it'll save a lot of petty arguments - which is what you cock suckers are so good at anyway. The only people that say we are running out of oil are liberals, so try not to contradict yourselves.
3rd - Do any of you cock fucks know what state Iraq was in before the U.S. decided to make it's entry? Probably not, so I'll let you in on it. Rape, Incest, Genocide, War, Poison, Famine, Torture, and so on. If you all care so much about Human Interest and quality of life for ALL people, let the U.S. do it's job. Re-building a country from nothing but pure shit takes a little longer than 5 years - so calm the fuck down.
4th- Conservatives don't think their tougher than liberals, they just are. Example, homosexuals are sissy liberals, I'm pretty sure I can kick their ass if need be, which in turn makes me tougher. Another example can be hippies. Pretty sure I can whoop up on a pot smoking tree hugger (the door's open for any of you who feel lucky).
5th - Christianity makes up more than 50% of America's population, whether it's right or wrong - don't tell me that "man created God," thats merely another belief that can't be completely proven. Way to be open minded like you always advertise.
6th - Bombs do kill people - so do fucking air planes that fly into buildings full of hard working Americans, devoted to keeping our ECONOMY affloat.
7th - We will not collect social security... You fucking got me there. No rebuttle.

Bob, I'm not attacking you personally, you know I love you. Your note struck a core with me and I felt like revealing a piece of my mind. I hate fucking politics, it's a bunch of lies from both sides. Peace!
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also is my original list below

20 things conservatives dont know and are too stupid to learn


1) The world consist of more than you, your smell hound, guns, and Toby Keith.
2) Being Conservative does not make you any tougher or have a larger penis.
3) Nobody likes the French. Fuck got me on that one…
4) People are different than you. Live with it you arrogant prick.
5) Bombs kill people… If you can’t understand that then I can demonstrate.
6) The US is the “poorest” Country in the world. *
7) You are not going to collect social security.
8) If your not part of the 2% richest people in America then there is no reason to be Conservative.
9) Man created god. God did not create man.
10) The original name for the invasion of Iraq was…
Operation
Iraqi
Liberation **
11) If by liberating Iraq you are referring to the 3 year occupation, countless deaths, lack of foreign government, 60% unemployment rate, lack of stable foreign currency, and oil profit for the U.S. then you are correct and I will shut up.
12) We are not running out of oil. There is a shit load left and guess what guy is in control of it? Hugo Chavez.
13) Go ahead and wilkipedia Chavez I wont tell anyone you don't know who he is.
14) Every one else in the world hates you not because you are better than them but because you think you are better than them.
15) There are not liberals and conservatives; there are douche bags and giant douche bags.
16) The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals run the country better.
17) Tucker Carlson is not funny and Stephen Colbert is.
18) George Bush is a lot better at clearing brush than running America.
19) Bush has never actually won anything in his life; his daddy’s friends gave him the presidential election. (He also actually lost but to discover this you have to read and we all know Conservatives can’t read.)
20) It’s all about OIL.

* See United States National Debt pre-Clinton and Post-Clinton
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the previous in responce to...
10 THINGS CONSERVATIVES KNOW BUT LIBERALS WON'T ADMIT

1. America IS number 1
2. George Bush won the election
2. Bombs solve problems, protests don’t
3. Nobody likes the French
4. People have the right to alternative lifestyles, and we have the right to make fun of them and not let them get married
5. Wearing sandals, eating granola, and naming your kids "Sunshine Butterfly" does not blow anyone's mind.
6. Terrorists hate us because they’re jealous
7. If other countries can’t take care of themselves, it is our responsibility to tell them what to do
8. Animals were meant to be eaten
9. We should use our resources while we have them
10. Other countries are poor because they suck