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Questions about Freestyle skiing?

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Darockwilla86
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I am thinking of asking for new skis for Christmas, probably a beginner freestyle ski (or just one that is not to expensive) but i have some questions.

1. Are there any companies that just aren't great at making freestyle skis? This would help narrow down the search

2. I have been told(by my cousin) that the combo skis, for freestyle and downhill, are not great, and that i should just have a strict park ski, and another pair for downhill. is this true? because it would be nice to have an all-in-one ski.

3. are these companies like 4Frnt, that seem to be more independent, but also more expensive, worth the money. or is sticking with companies like K2 and Rossi the best bet.

4. Are there certain skis that fair better in Northeast Conditions. By Northeast conditions i mean, lack of powder, alot of man-made snow... ice and crust.

if anyone can answer these.. that would be great.
Nov 13 2006 5:06PM
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Matty_C
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its pretty hard to buy a "bad" twintip nowadays, it just depends what you want from it. when you say "downhill" do you mean racing or just skiing on piste? if you meant the former, forget it, no twintip would work as a race ski. if you meant the latter, there are loads of great twintips that are good for carving on piste as well as in the park. before anyone can recommend a ski for you, you need to tell us how big/heavy you are, how good a skier you are (honesty is the best policy) and what you intend to ski with it.
Nov 13 2006 5:16PM
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titsLOL
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for the east coast a rossi scratch fs or k2 public enemy will both be super fun in and out of the park. k2s are a little stiffer between the two, but scratches still aren't too noodley, depends on what kinda flex you want. Soft is more forgiving but not as stable on big jumps (probably not a concern for someone just learning in the park), stiff skis also hold an edge better and perform better all around out of the park. If you are under like 140 lbs salomon foils are also super good for park and all mountain and they are super light, but the foam core that makes them light sacrifices stiffness so if you are heavier you'll out ski them too easy.
Nov 13 2006 5:57PM
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Darockwilla86
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Yeah i don't do any racing.. just downhill. I like to ski blue and blacks.. try out the double blacks. I am sometimes aggressive, other times not so much. I would say i am an intermediate skier.

140-150 pounds.. 5'10"

Mountains in New York and southern/middle Vermont.

In terms of freestyle skiing, i am brand new. I demoed a pair of solomon 1080's last year. Honestly they didn't seem that much different than my downhill atomics, except for the twin tips. So i don't need a top of the line ski, but something i can learn with. I successfully hit a box, and taught myself how to ride backwards when i tried the 1080's, but thats it.

I have no idea what weight of ski i need, or how much pop i need. all i know is that im brand-new to freestyle skiing.

Nov 13 2006 6:03PM
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elk.
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you my friend should buy the k2 silencers a good decent ski and low on cash !
Nov 13 2006 6:15PM
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elk.
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and a size like in the 160s
Nov 13 2006 6:16PM
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Darockwilla86
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Looked at the Rossi scratch.. I really like the price tag(for amazon is 300 bucks, but maybe more at a ski shop) and the design. So this is a solid freestyle ski? Good for beginners?
Nov 13 2006 6:17PM
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skidemon22
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what year scratch and which model?

Nov 13 2006 7:04PM
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Mex_LineJib^a
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don't listen to him. at 5'10 you at least need something within the 175 range. it's probable that you might want to mount near center so extra length wouldn't be a problem.
Nov 13 2006 7:21PM
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symbol.
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If you still want to carve on your twins I wouldn't recommend mounting at center, stick with +5
Nov 13 2006 7:25PM
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Darockwilla86
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I figured i would get this years model. Amazon has it for $300 which isn't bad for my spending. Maybe to save some money, i might get last years model.


So the Rossi Scratch is good for me?
Nov 13 2006 7:30PM
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Mex_LineJib^a
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which is why i said: "near center"
... and i wouldnt moung +5 for just any ski. depends on where recommended point is.
Nov 13 2006 7:30PM
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symbol.
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yeah I was thinking +5 for fujs, I forgot that it changes ski to ski
Nov 13 2006 7:37PM
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elk.
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Get the K2 silencers ! theyre at a banging price and a good beginner ski ~!
Nov 13 2006 8:10PM
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lyndon
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Skis to stay away from...The only one would be the old trouble makers..some problems there, and last years invaders.

Good companies- Armada, 4frnt, Elan, Rossignol, Salomon, Atomic, ands this list goes on.

I would look at a ski between 169-176 range

Concidor K2 Fujis -169cm
Last years T-halls- 171 cm (can get really cheap now)
Public enemies -169cm

Im confused, do you want a just park ski, go t-halls, if you want all mtn, look at last years scratches, 168cm or 174, or fujis(they DO well all mtn.)
Nov 13 2006 8:31PM
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jalokim1
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What the problem with last years invaders?


Nov 13 2006 8:38PM
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teamsleep
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some of them delaminated
Nov 13 2006 8:40PM
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skidemon22
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he should "consider" those, as well as the salomon 1080/thruster. perhaps the dogen. but go with silencer/ last years fujative in 169 and you will be happy.

Nov 13 2006 9:13PM
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SkiMN
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For the most part, like the first person said, its hard to buy a shitty twin. Stay away from the original invaders and you should be fine. As for what you specified, most twins ride groomers ok, some better than others. Look for less of a park specific sidecut if you really want all mountain performance, somethingan edge better (if you care for edges and choose to keep them), but its still personal preferance. (I'm going to be on Fujatives which are soft as shit and our park is a skating rink) So an al that more resembles a normal ski. For ice you will want a bit stiffer of a ski, I'm told it will hold l mountain twin is a pretty broad topic. The first ski that jumps out at me is the K2 Silencer, 80mm waiste, flex and sidefut similar to the PE which its big brother, also a solid ski. I would also look at the Salomons, Foil or Thruster could be a good choice, depending on your preference and size, but the Foil is a good twin for all mountain. The Rossi Scratch FS is a solid ski, but then again most of them are. Basically pick out a ski you like, with the waiste you think you need, a stiffness level that makes you happy, and one that fits your budget, its hard to go wrong.
Nov 13 2006 9:27PM
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kenevil
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which scratch are you talking about?
Nov 13 2006 10:23PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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id get scratches or chronics...

Nov 13 2006 10:32PM
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Darockwilla86
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Well i dont want a strict park ski. I want to be abale to go down regular black diamonds and Blues. I realize it wont be as nice of a ride as a regular downhill ski, but i would like it to be enjoyable. I will prolly pend half the time in the park and half the time on the regular mountain.

I am not sure if i will really love freestyle skiing, even though i liked it for the first day i did it last season(breaking an arm isnt something i am too keen on), but i want to be able to ride in and out of the park. Maybe try some new things and puch myself, but still be able to call it a day and just hit the regular trails.

So the height should be 167- to low 170's?

And the Scratch that i am looking at is Sprayers.. not the pro tho(i think thats the other one).. they are black the "scratch" written on them.

Thanks for the help.
Nov 13 2006 10:53PM
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skidemon22
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you should get my skis that i have for sale, then center mount tehem, so they ski shorter, and you will be all set.
Nov 13 2006 10:55PM
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[sebastian]
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New 167 06 Chronics? PM me if you're interested.
Nov 13 2006 10:58PM
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Darockwilla86
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Sorry guys, not interested in buying used, no matter how the condition is.
Nov 13 2006 11:05PM
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Kungris
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chronics, AR6s, scratch FSs, fujatives, public enemys, STLs, karmas, addicts, foils, thrusters.
Nov 13 2006 11:26PM
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bany0pp
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ar6, but if too much money, go with the silencers.
Nov 13 2006 11:51PM
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WONTON
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Do u want a GOOD ski for a SICK price with GOOD bindings? here you go.....

http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8001&catalogId=40000008001&productId=48097501&parent_category_rn=22000425&vcat=REI_SEARCH

http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8001&catalogId=40000008001&productId=48097505&parent_category_rn=22000422&vcat=REI_SEARCH
Nov 13 2006 11:55PM
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WONTON
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fs' will do it all. Good "Everything" ski and can hold its own in the park. And go with 174s if u choose these
Nov 13 2006 11:56PM
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bany0pp
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dude whatever be patient and watch steep and cheap and you will spend about 75 to 100 bones less than that. they had those scratches up for like 170 a day ago.
Nov 13 2006 11:57PM
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WONTON
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ur trying to tell me that brand new FS's and axial 2 120s for 300 is not a good price? SAC had them yes....but no longer. and for only 20 some dollars less.
Nov 14 2006 12:01AM
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Darockwilla86
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Cost isn't a HUGE deal to me. While i am not going to spend $1,000 for a pair of Volkl, or even like 600 for Armada.. I dont mind spending a bit more to get a ski made this year.

And i again, thank everyone for helping me out...
Nov 14 2006 12:22AM
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