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lanks
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i wanna know what you think about this subject...is there absolute truth, or is truth relative to each individual?


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May 17 2003 12:25PM
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petek
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truth is just a perspective, 2 people that see the same event will have different perspectives, and hence the truth will be different to them. In order to understand absolute truth, something must be seen from all angles.



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lanks
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petek u think truth is gathered from everyone's perspective?

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May 17 2003 6:55PM
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petek
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yes i do, if you think i am wrong,then i would like to explain ure reasoning.



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May 17 2003 7:01PM
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everything you know is not true



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May 17 2003 7:10PM
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lanks
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i think there is an absolute truth, because if truth is relative to the person, then each person could decide what is right or wrong for themselves...and you'd end up having people deciding its ok to murder and rape...if there is a concrete truth that cannot be altered according to the majorities opinion, then everyone is subject to the same basic rights, such as the right to live, and should live by the same rules, because everyone would be equal.

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May 17 2003 8:49PM
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sherLocke
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truth is an intangible figurative concept, based on your own upholdings and morals, so na there is no absolute truth, its just whatever you think is true.
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May 17 2003 10:22PM
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BeckaSki
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This is the fundamental question pretty much all philosophers ask. I took a philosophy class last year that discussed a lot of the different views on it, but my mind's not made up yet. I think that there are some things that are inherintly bad murder/killing for example. Even that can be twisted. What if you killed a severly disabled infant or someone in an extrordinary amount of pain who was going to die soon? Is that wrong?
May 17 2003 11:33PM
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DFT1080
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^yeah, thats true
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May 18 2003 12:47AM
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Ds91260
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what is truth?
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May 18 2003 12:49AM
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l_KeViN_l
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fuck this is a useless post.

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May 18 2003 1:29AM
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coz
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all posts are useless/no post is useless. this is true, just as it would be true to say that there is an absolute truth, while at the same time there is no absolute truth. like it was said, truth is relative.. therefore, the thesis and antithesis together form a synthesis that enables the world to function. without one side of the coin, there is no other side.. yin & yang.. ignorance is strength.. war is peace.. you can't have an absolute truth without knowledge of the lack there of.

so what am i saying? the truth will always exist in conjunction with the negation of it.

but, of course.. this leads us to the real question - what is the absolute truth?
May 18 2003 7:21AM
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snow-bunny
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lets see, ya there is a truth, but is there only one truth that sums up all of the truths? like if you knew the one truth that keeps us all here would you know all of the truths in the world? or just that one truth? or would that one truth be the only truth. Perhaps there is a truth but no one will never find out or maybe the truth is a lie that just isn't a lie, that makes no sense but its the truth....
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May 18 2003 7:49AM
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sherLocke
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good point sweet coz



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May 18 2003 8:01AM
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petek
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Another point i would like to bring up, is our method of communication, the english language. There are so many connotations in our language, and synonyms, that everything we say is a shade of grey. however, The absolute truth, is a not a shade of grey, it is either black or white, since the absolute truth or absolute lie, are extremes, like black and white.



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'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 18 2003 12:50PM
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Caden
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you can't handle the truth.


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May 18 2003 1:18PM
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skinewskool
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you think you know (the truth) but you have no idea



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May 18 2003 4:00PM
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dilla_says_go
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the truth is what occurs. for instance, the truth is you are reading this right at this instant. i believe it can only happen to the person experiencing the event. otherwise it is just an account of the truth.

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May 18 2003 7:51PM
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Krongos
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the truth is what happened, or whats correct. the problem is people try to extend this to opinions or beliefs where there is no such thing as correct. for example 2+2=4 is the truth but jesus being gods son is no the truth. and as for what happened, people may see it differently, but there is still one way something happened no matter how someone sees it.


'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

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May 18 2003 7:56PM
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petek
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hey krongos, thats my snowboarding joke, at least give me a footnote.



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 18 2003 8:07PM
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Krongos
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ok if you really want one but i heard it a long ass time ago from a friend of mine


'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

'It's not the eastern shore that worries me. A shadow and a threat has been clouding my mind since we left Lorien. Something draws near, I can feel it.'

How many snowboarders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
10, 1 to do it, and 9 to say 'I can do that.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
May 18 2003 8:09PM
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coz
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how can you say that 2+2=4, but that jesus is not the son of god? both are nothing more than fabrications of what we as humans individually feel is right. just as orwell wrote, 2+2 could equal 3, 4, or 5.. or all at the same time, as long as we believe that what we claim be the truth is, through our eyes, the truth. so then, this leads us to ask - what is truth?
May 18 2003 9:40PM
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petek
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krongos, i just proved a point about truth...



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 18 2003 9:41PM
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Krongos
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no it isnt our fabrication as a human, if a squirrel is collecting nuts and hes got 2, and he gets two more theres four, not 5 or 3, math isnt just a class in school


'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

'It's not the eastern shore that worries me. A shadow and a threat has been clouding my mind since we left Lorien. Something draws near, I can feel it.'

How many snowboarders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
10, 1 to do it, and 9 to say 'I can do that.'-petek

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
May 18 2003 9:43PM
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Jackpot
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if someone stabbed and killed another person, the truth isn't that the man killed her, it was the stab wound inflicted, and the blood loss created by the lack of medical care at the time, of course this could be denyed....but that made no sense, like this : Goowoobleboopage! Obbeeeeeannno!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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May 18 2003 9:44PM
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Ghost
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absolute truth #523:
'No matter where you go, you are sure to find stupid people.'

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May 18 2003 9:44PM
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Krongos
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word snoop, word


'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

'It's not the eastern shore that worries me. A shadow and a threat has been clouding my mind since we left Lorien. Something draws near, I can feel it.'

How many snowboarders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
10, 1 to do it, and 9 to say 'I can do that.'-petek

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
May 18 2003 9:46PM
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petek
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Absolute Truth #600
The more you think you know, the more you dont know

Absolute truth #333
The numbers associated with absolute truth are made up



'what can we do to stop this war?'
'Leagalize PORN'
'Its allready legal'
'Not the kind i like'
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May 18 2003 9:50PM
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Krongos
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absolute truth #818-hot chicks are cool but cooler when nude


'...all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent
and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax.'

'It's not the eastern shore that worries me. A shadow and a threat has been clouding my mind since we left Lorien. Something draws near, I can feel it.'

How many snowboarders does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
10, 1 to do it, and 9 to say 'I can do that.'-petek

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
May 18 2003 9:52PM
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spin
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im gonna have to go with petek on everything except the english deal
May 18 2003 9:55PM
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coz
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the squirrel doesn't know that he has 2 nuts. all he knows is that he has some nuts. we as humans have attached fabricated characters to fabricated numerical values.
May 19 2003 11:07AM
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lanks
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it doesnt matter if the squirrel knows it or not, but its still true that if he has 2 nuts, he has *gasp* 2 nuts.

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May 19 2003 11:09AM
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coz
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you're missing the point. 2 does not exist without our ability to interpret what 2 means. a squirrel may have a nut, and another nut, but this doesn't necessarily mean he has 2 nuts. what if i said he had 80 nuts? this would still be true.. nothing has changed except my interpretation of how to label his nuts.
May 19 2003 11:17AM
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lanks
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if he has 80 nuts, he has better things to worry about...

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May 19 2003 11:45AM
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Papa
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truth is what you make it to be, it can be anything or nothing. it's all up to you
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May 19 2003 1:05PM
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Truth is inessence and essence combined in a spiritual bowl of obliviousness.
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mikee
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To me, truth is all relative to how you take the word. If truth means reality then truth is absolute. However, we may and almost surely will never know it. For example, if we were all in something similar to the matrix (quick example) then that would be the truth, hiwever it wouldnt be our truth cuz we dont know it. I think of it that way.

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May 19 2003 1:10PM
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J-Ho
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I think absolute truth can only be proved by math concepts and proven concepts and such...or am I completely wrong.

Just a thought

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May 19 2003 8:24PM
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J-Ho
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sweetcoz has a point.... its like, is the colour I see (lets say red) seen the same red you see....you would just say its red because you have been thuoght that that is the colour red...know what I mean

Just a thought

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May 19 2003 9:04PM
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Papa
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ya, what if we called red green, it'd still be the same color but we'd say look at that green ferrari, it's just what we make it to be and accept it to be
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May 19 2003 9:09PM
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mikee
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but that would be your take on the truth, not the actual truth.

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May 19 2003 9:29PM
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Papa
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but if that's what you were taught then that would be the aboslute truth to you. truth is what you're taught
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May 19 2003 9:30PM
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Caden
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well truth isnt a matter of opinion. truth is what is. that's the point of there being a truth. there isn't 2 truths.. it's not in a matter of perspective. it's an omniscient characteristic. whether we as people don't know the truth for something, there IS a truth.


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May 19 2003 10:10PM
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lanks
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well said caden.

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May 19 2003 10:13PM
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mikee
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Caden has my exact view

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May 19 2003 10:17PM
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mikee
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math could be wrong if nothing we know is real. for example the truth could be that we are living in a world created for us by aliens (similar to the matrix) and the concepts we know are not the truth

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May 19 2003 10:19PM
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lanks
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that just proves that squirrels are stupid, it doesnt prove that there is no absolute truth

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May 19 2003 10:24PM
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mikee
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there are absolute truths just no absolute certainty

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May 19 2003 10:53PM
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