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Misconceptions of value - read
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Why do people have such a strong concept of self-entitlement to ridiculous deals on ski gear? It seems that in the last couple of years there is an increasing number of riders who think they should be able to get nice set ups - sick outerwear/bindings/skis/boots - for almost no money. Every time someone has a nice product to offer everyone low balls.
For example, many on this site have a strange assumption that just because a jacket or pair of pants was made last year then the value of that jacket is halved, even though the company used the exact same materials and nearly identical design the next year. Same with skis. Just because they were mounted and ridden doesn't mean the value should drop drastically. That isn't the way life works.
Let's look at another practical example from outside of skiing. My car cost $13,900 brand new (it is a 2001 Civic HX, a special gas conservation Civic before Hybrids were popular). It now has 65,000 miles and is five years old and would still sell for $8000 if I were to sell it today. It is over 5 years old and hasn't yet lost half its value. Just because skiing is becoming more fashion oriented, why should skiing products lose value so quickly.
It is nice if you get great deals. I try to give people on NS great deals, but it becomes absurd when I try to hook kids up who couldn't get the same gear otherwise, and then they ask me to lower the already low price.
Perhaps I am an old man. However, I can tell you that I never thought I should have anything nice when I was a teenager who didn't pay for every single thing I owned. Even if you are paying for your ski gear, which you should, what you have done to deserve cheap prices or schwank gear? Let's remember that skiing is a deep privilege. I bet less than 2% of people in the U.S. have ever been skiing, much less ski on a regular basis. Let's be thankful for what we have. I am speaking to myself as well - sometimes I get caught up in having really nice stuff because now I have a real job and could never afford more than 5 year old straight skis until now. However, let's put things in perspective. Yay for being well off and having nice things. Couldn't we be a little more grateful to each other for selling things? Phew. I feel a bit better :)
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amen to this, this should be stickied or something. i hate it when kids low ball me.
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True, but prices of used, last years equipment, should be lower in price then their newer counterparts. Although I hate selling my gear for cheap, I enjoy getting a great deal on used gear. So It's give a little, get a little. I'm willing to sell my stuff for cheap, so I can buy others stuff for less. Although your car example works, try it on a different car, say a Dodge Stratus. Same thing works for ski equipment, some stuff should be cheaper after a year of use then others. It depends on how much people want it.
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no offense...and like im not bitching at you at all so dont get ur panties in a twist, but everyone wants shit at a better price than they probably should get it for. theyre just looking to squeak out a deal. yea sure, dont complain if your lowball offer isnt accepted, but how low its sold for depends on how bad you want to sell it. no one forces anyone to accept deals so if 3 of the millions of kids that ski dont want to spend as much as you would like to sell then its gunna take a little more time to see if someone else will. and with my experience with used skis...its not that they have been mounted that depreciates the value its how much theyve been skied in the park. i ski two or three days a week in the park and thus i cant get any pair of skis to last more than a year for me. if i were to sell them when they still looked good it doesnt mean that the edges wont crack easier than if they were new. everythings in context peeps just need to chilllllllll. go smoke er somethin
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fairly true, but stuff does depreciate quite a bit. I definately disagree with your example of skis that have been skied and mounted, becuase that quite clearly affect the strength of the ski. ski stuff depreciates a lot, and your civic would have to be pretty mint to be worth 8k. I have a 2000 dodge stratus with a brand new tranny and 120k miles and I'd probably ask like 5.5-6 for it. the second factor in low balls is that kids who have to acutally buy their own shit probably make between 6 and 10 dollars an hour... so it certainly doesn't grow on trees as they say. As for me, that's why I got a job where I make 7.50, but can proform shit so I dont have to lowball on used stuff anyway. but just sayin you can't expect used stuff to hold much value.
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but it realy pisses me off when someone offers me 90 bucks for a pair of skis with bindings with no edge cracks. im down for giving people a good deal, but its bull when that happens.
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yea I suppose if this thread is complaining about mega low balls like that I can't disagree. But I think if say you buy some park skis for 500 and use them for a season you shoudln't expect to sell them for significantly more than half what you paid.
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^ Strum your a cool dude but I goto disagree alittle. Last years items are always chopped in half, even the shops do it and the ones that dont..( ie. Evogear.com with mo-ships still got some 300+ on ebay) learn the hard way because they still have thoes products in stock. You either take the loss or you sell for cheaper. I would agree with you alittle on products that are brand new but still, the company has a newer graphics and and different marketing into the ski.
Ebay just makes people on the net cheaper, always looking for the newest gear at the lowest price. It's a hit or miss situation.
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It's as simple as this: if you don't like their price, PM them with a resonable offer, and if they don't agree DONT BUY IT AND QUIT YOUR BITCHING!
The seller has every right to ask for whatever price they want.
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TRIPLE good post......and crock you also.....kids on this forum just really need to grow up and thats the bottom line.....if you have no intention or intrest in something someone is selling then dont post in their thread its as simple as that....and if you want to make an offer for lower than they are asking then PM them and do so.....im really sick of the ignorance and immaturity in the whole new school skiing community
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I agree 100%. Ive been trying to get rid of my 06/07 prophets for a while now. Pics, everything, and what i think is a great deal. All i keep getting is last year's model was 300 some bucks on evogear, or getboards. Im so fed up of that. I try to save people on this damn site 200$ on skis that are NOT EVEN IN STORES YET. But everybody trys to fuck me over. Im not going to sell brand new skis for less then 500$, and me having to pay shipping. Hopefully this guy ive been talking to will still be up for the trade. I totally agree with ya.
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if you want to inform someone about something like that then that is fine....PM them and let them use their decision making abilitys and either fix the problem or let it be.....some kids on this forum cannot afford to lose so much money....i find the people that are usually ruining peoples threads about prices and stuff are the kids who all have brand new gear and are like 14 years old and have no actually idea of what money really is or what its like to actually have to live and survive in the real world
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also whats not being considered her is the way of initiating and making a sale- lots of countries aound the world will prove how the low ball, then seller raises, meet half way approach works, so maybe people are low balling so that the seller can hit them back with a higher price- ie they were always prepared to pay higher than their offer.
this also works if the buyer doesnt really know how much an items worth, and would just throw out a price to find how much the seller really wants, which they may or may not be prepared to pay...
theres always different sides to an argument..
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skis dont last nearly as long as cars. thats my point. but yeah i hate selling my stuff for cheaper than what i should get for it.
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I can speak for most people here when i say that I cant get any gear to last much longer than 2 years. Enough said, thats how it works. If you sell used gear that has been used for a year it should be work half what you paid. Its very simple, our gear has a short life becuase of how we use it. If it had a longer life it would depreciate much slower.
Charge what the market will bear. If you post here people will make you offers. If you want to sell your shit for 200 bucks dont take 150, enough said. Calling people imature for making offers is stupid. There could be that kid with a 150 dollars looking for a coat, theyd offer what they had. Its called bargaining if you dont understand it, sell your shit on ebay with a reserve price, not here.
Enough said.
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i have to agree with triple stumr to some extent, but there are exceptions. first off diffentent products depreciate more than others, for example your going to get more money foor last years armadas than last years salomons (except maybe gun labs, but i haven't seen anyone selling those). so it's all relative, i think that TGRs formula is alright but sometimes is a little low depending on the ski and condition. the bottom line is lowballing is getting rediculous and people should think what is reasonable for what the seller might take before they start bidding.
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jea, see all these people are puttin up what they think is right. the situacion is different depending on literally everything thinkable that could affect it so just everybody chill and deal with it. people on here are like fuckin 3 year olds sometimes, use ur heads and make the best of the feedback
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agree with all that has been said.
we are all passionate about a very expensive industry, so people need to balls up and pay the price to do so.
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I fully appreciate everyone's counterpoints and I respect that you did it in a mature manner. My statement was more aimed toward everything EXCEPT skis. Used skis - of course they should depreciate. My comments were more aimed at things like jackets and pants that have a long life if cared for properly, and are low-balled when brand new. I just want us to lose the self-entitlement that seems to get ingrained in our society by the idea that things should come fast and easy.
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yea kids do lowball alot but as kids have said no one is forcing people to sell. thats the thing with selling on NS, its made up of 90% highschool students and college students which are the cheapest people on the planet. People on NS simply dont have the money to buy stuff at a reasonable and legit price and still have money around to get other stuff they need (ski gearis pretty expensive). so as sellers on NS we can either try to switch to ebay, but then end up paying the ebay for an auction taking more time to sell and possibly not making any more money, and we arent hooking people up either. I think its straight as long as you lowball and much as you are lowballed when you are trying to sell shit. There def and tons of sweet deals on NS and it is nice to help poor HS and college kids get deals so they can be out there skiing. at the same time there is a limit to how much people should lowball. Some kids make offers on gear, like you said as if 1 year old makes it ancient and usless.
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Yeah, people do lowball but you have to just ignore them and accept the fact that some people will try to do that. It's not that they are screwing you over in ANY way, because simply, you just dont sell to them. I tried selling a laptop earlier this year asking for 1500, kids asked me if i'd sell it for 800. I simply say yeah, no. sorry. and that's the end. It is annoying when people try to point out and prove to everyone else it's not worth it to pay that much. I ended up selling the laptop to a top graphic designer in LA for 1550.. and he knows whats up. so if you have a reasonable offer for a reasonable item you will find someone that will be willing to pay for it, just don't give in if people ask for low prices. Selling things isn't always as easy as posting and then selling in a day. It took me 3 months of listing my computer before it finally sold, and it was worth it.
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The used price is whatever the market will bear. If you go into a ski shop and look at last years jackets/pants they will all be halved, it's the way retail goods work.
Import cars which are regarded as more reliable, especially Honda civics, carry a HUGE used premium over crappy domestic stuff like Cavaliers/Sunfires (same class). This is because the market perceives there to be a longer life over which to depreciate the value of the car. Retail doesn't work this way because
a) lower dollar item
b) WAY shorter product life cycle
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I agree, but disagree. Maybe money isn't as easy to come by for some than it is for others, but, with that being said, you can't just goin' around askin for nice shit, for dirt cheap. I work at McDonald's. I applied on my birthday, so I could buy some ski gear last year. Turn's out I didn't have enough money for this years skis. So I settled for 03-04 Scratch Fs's. I honestly wouldn't think that Rossignol would have made such a difference in the ski from then to now. Maybe tiny changes and modifications, but to buy "last years" stuff, really isn't so bad. Who cares what other people think, buy a ski that works for you, and don't go around askin' for low ass prices, cuz the seller will most likely get fed up with you and tell you to take a hike and you don't get a new pair of skis. So get a job if you don't have one, and pretty much taking someone else's profit.
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