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Who uses p18's?

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KeegLove
Posts: 10166 - Karma: 55
Thinking about getting them for my ANT's just wondering what people think of them, thanx boys and girls!
Nov 5 2006 8:44PM
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Pipe_Munky
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do you really need them? just so you know, the human femur will spiral fracture at a din of 14





Nov 5 2006 8:45PM
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pussyfooter.
Posts: 331 - Karma: 7
I use 155fks on my park skis, but thats because i trash the fuck outa bindings. I sugest just gettin some p12 or p14 eh?
Nov 5 2006 8:46PM
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ShadyHillGroup
Posts: 2881 - Karma: 213
i mounted fks 155s on my ants, ill tell you how those turn out when i get them back from the shop and ski em', question, do you know how some pple click in in there bedrooms and butter around? have you ever tried it with your ants? i really wanna
Nov 5 2006 8:49PM
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Pipe_Munky
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even something like the FKS 120 is awesome if you like that heel piece. i have the atomic by look binding which is basically a painted P18 and i never set my dins over 14 and im a pretty big guy




Nov 5 2006 8:49PM
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hollygrove
Posts: 7845 - Karma: 93
well keegan can get them for only 300 bucks. a p 14 will cost the same.
Nov 5 2006 8:51PM
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witty
Posts: 5616 - Karma: 178
they are all i can ski with..i destroy everything else
Nov 5 2006 8:52PM
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psychkub
Posts: 1788 - Karma: 16
I use FKS 185 on my THA 187s, and I'm 240 6'2" with a 29.5 boot. The shop usually sets my Din at 8 (but I put my heel at 9), so as you can see, even at my size I'd prolly be safer with the p14s.
Nov 5 2006 8:57PM
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powder99
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i have the 185's on all my skis but thats just cause i have way to many of these bindings from my old racing days, 5'8 160 pounds. Dins at 10 for my park skis and 12 for big mountain. Never had any problem with releasing when i need to but i sure as hell never release when i shouldn't.
Nov 5 2006 9:01PM
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KeegLove
Posts: 10166 - Karma: 55
hahaha i love some of the replies, i'm getting p18's and setting them low, at like a 9, i can get them for cheeper than the p14
Nov 6 2006 10:42PM
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K.C.Deane
Posts: 1730 - Karma: 315
P18s are the way to go......if you need them, other wise leave them for people who do.
Nov 6 2006 11:26PM
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Ban11
Posts: 1388 - Karma: 24
p18's at din 12 is better than p12s or p14s at 12...the binding works better and lasts longer.
Nov 6 2006 11:37PM
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strongmark
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get them, ive had 185s or p18s on my past 4 pairs of skis, and theyre still in great condition. probably the last bindings im gonna ahve for a lonnnnng time. i set my din at like 16 cos im dumb and dont like coming out, but ive been on it 4 seasons and my knees are still right as rain. so get em tuff guy.
Nov 7 2006 12:44AM
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quebecfreestyler
Posts: 13040 - Karma: 1,418
make sure to get the px18 so yo get the wide brakes bending those things isnt really fun at all.
Nov 7 2006 8:57AM
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Dan-Man
Posts: 7487 - Karma: 3,618
I use them
Nov 7 2006 10:26AM
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japollner
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I just mounted up some older Rossi FKS 150 on my park skis (14din)...Not like anyone cares.
Nov 7 2006 10:33AM
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grambo
Posts: 1125 - Karma: 93
How tall are you, how much do you weigh and what is your sole length? If you are small and/or suck you will blow up your knees especially on bigger/wider skis.
Nov 7 2006 11:45AM
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eljefe
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thats bullshit. and so is that about spiral femur fractures. One should say that in a slow twisting fall, the force that it takes to fracture the femur may be less than the release tension of a 14 din. To say that ur femur breaks at 14 is stupid, I know plenty of shredders whose din's are higher and have personally seen them release from their binding.

To answer the thread, I use fks 155 at 11-12 on all my skis and they work great. won't be dissapointed. Im 5'11 165...
Nov 7 2006 12:50PM
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TheStamos
Posts: 9311 - Karma: 910
whoa!! your friends can represent everyone!! people are different and a din that high is retarded , if your rocking a high din and claim it liek its a good thing your a moron .. the only reason you should have a high din is if your going fucking huge big mountain and in park its just stupid goodbye knees. now buying them for the durability issue is dope and understandable but dont crank it.
Nov 7 2006 12:59PM
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eljefe
Posts: 915 - Karma: 467
my friends are an example that in fact you don't have spiral femural fracturing at a stock din of 14. And some peeps don't actually stop pre-releasing till you get that high. best way to find your din is to start low and work it up till ur not prereleasing anymore! Stop NS HATE
Nov 7 2006 1:04PM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
yea...the spiral fracturing thing is BS...I can pop myself out of a 13 din setting just buy rolling over and trying to twist my foot out. The elasticity is what matters, not the sheer popping out force.
Nov 7 2006 9:17PM
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TimmyP
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i would say get it, with a DIN that high, the housing needs to be solid to hold a spring with that amount of force. Also, high DIN bindings have a lot more metal in them, which translates to more durability. If you beat the hell out of your bindings then go for it, even if you only run a DIN at 8 or 9.
Nov 7 2006 9:24PM
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siver-cartel
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i got brand new p18 for 140 bucks ahahah
Nov 7 2006 9:41PM
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TreeXSki
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If your pre releasing at such high dins i suggest playing with your forward pressure...
Nov 7 2006 9:48PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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i have p18s and p15s....its not the din i need, its the metal. i break every binding i have. i shatter the front piece and shit hardcore. i even snapped the healpiece of p18's...snapped the metal rod that adjusts back and forth right in half.
Nov 7 2006 9:51PM
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KeegLove
Posts: 10166 - Karma: 55
oh ya to the guy who asked about me,

i'm 6'1", 170 pounds. And i would consider myself an aggressive skier. I ski'd the ant as an all around ski last year and it worked great so thats not the problem here, all i want to know is how well do they perform, i dont need advice on my din setting.
Nov 13 2006 2:56AM
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pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
you know thats like saying a ferrari drives faster at 40 mph than a honda drives at 40 mph
Nov 13 2006 3:17AM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
Posts: 3123 - Karma: 229
buy the ferrari and drive the speed limit.
Nov 13 2006 3:34AM
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japollner
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12 is hardly a low din setting, like 40 would be to driving.


By your logic, you are saying a honda would drive the same as a ferrari at 100mph too. its not about being the same, its about being better, and an fks is better than an axial1, is better than a salomon, is better than a marker.
Nov 13 2006 10:49AM
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quebecfreestyler
Posts: 13040 - Karma: 1,418
you know you are wrong arent you cause if you dont know yet, I'm telling you you are.


a maxed out binding wont realease properly, while a not maxed out higher din binding will.


Nov 13 2006 11:25AM
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quebecfreestyler
Posts: 13040 - Karma: 1,418
o and by the way he is getting ANT's and i doubt he'll be skiing a lot of groomers and parks stuff with those skis.

So please if you have nothing to say or have no clue about binding utilities, just dont post.
Nov 13 2006 11:27AM
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Ryno
Posts: 31125 - Karma: 336
keegan, just get the look nova 10's


You'll love em.
Nov 13 2006 11:37AM
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bigwhite.steeze
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no one with any sense whatsoever
Nov 13 2006 3:50PM
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pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
how can the DIN be an industry standard of release when it is dependant on weather or not the binding is maxed out?

if it something is made to work between the parameters of x to y, than it is to work between x to y

continuing with analogies are you saying a foot long ruler can't measure 12 inches as accuratly as a yard stick can?
Nov 13 2006 6:01PM
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japollner
Posts: 1699 - Karma: 459
Actually, yea, you are wrong on this...All bindings must be speced out through the entire din range. One might last longer, but the bindings will still release within spec.
Nov 14 2006 11:58AM
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psychkub
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hahaha, that's an EXCELLENT of proving null the analogies of why a 8-18 din binding will do better than a 5-14. Bravo! And just in case it comes across as being sarcastic, I'm not.
Nov 14 2006 12:25PM
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DiamondC
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unless ur stomping hugggeee landings off of hugeee booters. or charging like mad, u dont need anything over the p16. i think pros use p18's( i know tanner and a few do) just because the landings they are stomping are off of crazy ass booters. its not really necessary
Nov 14 2006 12:55PM
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user098123
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Alright, how about we go back to cars for you. I have a 1995 Honda Accord. My next door neighbor has a 2005 Audi TT...so, When I'm driving MY car at 120 MPH, red lining it and pushing it to its limit, its not going to perform NEARLY as well as the Audi TT at 120 MPH, a performance car capable of higher speeds.
Nov 14 2006 12:59PM
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cobra_commander
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I didnt think dynastar/look was releasing them untill january.
Nov 14 2006 2:14PM
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Kevo
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I think the argument is that a Ferrari would handle better at 100 mph than a Honda. It's up for debate.
Nov 14 2006 2:23PM
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quebecfreestyler
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The physics of metal ( springs are made of metal and they are what set the din right?) are that f you compress or strech it for a long period of time near it's max streching or compressing point will modify it's stucture and will never be able to come back to it's origninal state.

So if you compress the spring to it's maximum, like 12 out of 12 on DIN scale, it's structure will be modified after a while. So it wont work as well as it did before. So you want to use a srping that will not be maxed out so it wont go beyond elastic compression or streching wich mean coming back to it's original state when you release the force that are streching or compressing it.

so that explain why you dont wanna max out a binding if you plan on having the same release property after lets say 3 months of skiing. Wich is well enougth time for the springstructure to be modified by the constant force compressing it near it's max comprrion point.

now you might want so,e proof but I'm too porr to buy the equipment .
Apparently Skimasterflex'S shop have the machine to prove it and the man said:
Test the release of any 12 Din binding that has been skied at 12 for 1 season or more and get back to us on what you find. Or I'll just bust with the cooking show magic and pull that shit outta the oven right now. The release test of bindings set at max are less consistent than those set in the medium range. Some are this way brand new, but all are after any ammount of hard skiing. Or at least that is what my very expensive German computerized release testing system says in the shop.



so if you still think you are right, go on but please concider that both physics and test priove you wrong on this.

now have a good day.
Nov 14 2006 3:12PM
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jfuller
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At 9??? What the hell do you need them for then?? That pretty much defeats the purpose of the binding, being it starts at 8. You're actually more likely to pull out of that than a 14 DIN binding set at 9.
Nov 14 2006 3:19PM
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quebecfreestyler
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maybe he breaks a lot of toe pieces.
Nov 14 2006 3:28PM
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french_fry
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I picked up a pair of PX12's for 100, and p14s are going for 250, save your money. I'm pretty sure that the difference you will experience between an 18DIN binding and a 14DIN binding skiing at 9 will be minimal, and they will probably last you the same amount of time since you won't be stressing the spring too much.
Nov 14 2006 4:57PM
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joscratch
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there is only one chart to fit all binding so here your answer........
Nov 14 2006 5:22PM
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quebecfreestyler
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so according to you all a pair of nova 10 from look riden at 10 is just as good as lets say a p18 ridden at 10...


Nov 14 2006 5:26PM
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quebecfreestyler
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different bindings for different needs. I wouldnt use p18 or S916 on a pair of recreationnal skis, but I would for some intense skiing like racing, big mountain and hardcore park action.
Nov 14 2006 5:28PM
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ecsm.
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get the px jib w/ the wide brake there sick
Nov 14 2006 6:19PM
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japollner
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To rebut that and the comments you made earlier, you need to realize how much tension the springs are under even when they are backed off. Springs in bindings are "indemnified" here in the US. What that means is that they are guarenteed by the binding companies lawyers to last as long as that indemnification period. Some bindings (Salomons namely) offer high periods on their bindings. 5 years on all 12 dins and under. However, jump to a 914 and 914 and the periods drop to 2 years. Rossis are 4 years on all 14 and under public bindings. But go to any FKS style and it drops to 3.


You can talk all you want about fancy machines, but any bindings release consistancy goes down significantly after a few releases. After that, you are looking at a consistant inconsistant release for the rest of the bindings life.
Nov 14 2006 10:13PM
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Gez
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As only a couple of people seem to understand....sometimes buying a binding like the P18 is not about having a DIN range that high, it's about the material in the binding itself.

Bindings with DINs to 10, 12, and even 14 are often made with a lot of plastic in them, thus making them less durable and more prone to breakage under extreme use. A binding such as the P18, or old Solly S916s are basically pure metal, and thusly, just about bomb-proof. I know I blew up a couple pairs of Markers and s912tis simply because those bindings are designed for more tame, recreational use where a lighter binding is more advantageous.

It's not all about the DIN range people.
Nov 14 2006 10:29PM
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skimasterflex
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FYI the 18's have a range of 10-18, you can't set them at 9.

PS I have P18 wides that will fit right on your Ants without any bending, you can have them for $225 shipped. But you have to sign a release that your family won't sue me for wrongful death.
Nov 14 2006 10:33PM
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