So our shop got SPKs. (the dumonts as well)

the dumonts look soooo much doper in real life.

I got the spks. You are wrong about them being the same weight, much lighter than any boot in the store. Also about 10 times more comfortable than any boot I've ever worn. I tried on both the rampages and spks, one boot on each foot, and spk > rampages.

if the salomon last fits your foot better, than the Dalbello, oh well, you made the better choice. but the wieght difference between these and rampages or pros is negible, thats a fact. both are light.

and i personally found them very uncomftable, especially VS a Foil or something. i ride kryptons, and i feel truely bad for anyone who thinks the SPK is a better boot than some of the other options available. if a Krypton doesnt fit your foot, check out the reflexs. very similar in a wider last.

and yes, the Dumonts are so sick. if i had a need for skis id buy um. very cool ski. (too short for me also)

If you fit in a Dalbello aka Raichle shell you will fit in a Salomon shell.

Dude make you do to your pk's cause you sure don't konw about the similarities in fit for the foil/spk/rampage.

And weight, you're smoking your lunch.

And finally the xxxl strap - works hardcore. The 2 buckles - geeZ have some fun for god sakes skiing is fun.

stop shit talking.

As for the dumonts.

Totally agree.

does the shop have a website?

ya the dumonts look like a good ski, we have them at the store i work for, fresh in calgary

spk boots are fucking dope, i thought they were really amazing on my foot

you cant compare the comfort of the spk and the dalbello rampages. rampages dont even fit the same kind of fucking foot! spks have way more room for a wider foot, while my boot guy(who is one of the best around) told me that rampages wouldnt fit above a D width without major work over the course of weeks. my SPKs, however, fit much easier and now I have my new boots on order...

so dont compare the "comfort" or the "fit" of two completely different boots for different feet.

im not comparing FIT or anything, im just saying the SPK boot is hyped up to be something revolutionary, and it isnt. id WAY reccomend a foil over it anyday.

and the shop site is:

www.Aspenskiandboard.com

You cant really know how good a boot is untill you ski with it.

You cant really judge a board without strapping it and going down the hll with it, same thing with boots.

exactly

what does SPK stand for?

lange world cup 120s...soo comfy. im absolutely loving them (haha, at least around teh house) cant wait to ski em

man the dumont's are superbely amazing. i just bought them yesterday and i can't wait to take them out.

while were on the topic of dumonts. After salomon realizes that everyone is gonna buy teh Dumonts because of their wood cores, think they make there higher end skis (foil, gun, spk) wood core? then leave the fish thruster and those other skis foam?

^That could be really sick

get kryptons. jesus christ you sheepeople

yea i got the kryton rampage and they rrr soooo much sicker then the spks

i got the dumonts but the core had nothing to do with it. people need to understand the core doesnt really have anything to do with it..it's whats around the core for the msot part. i got the dumonts cuz i got free bindings with them.

super park

you are an idiot. didnt you read what i just wrote? the rampages and spks are different boots that fit different feet and are comfortable for different people.

retard.

Are the Dumonts really wood core? Because part of the reason why I never liked salomon is their foam cores, i rode the pocket rockets and they are scary cause the core is so unstable at any speeds

ya i agree, i havent put my foot in them yet but julien an deveryone at HN says there by far the comfyiest boots ever

kryptons=sick new boot technology, no shinbang, amazing concept

spk=regualr salomon boot with a little extra padding and an "extreme super park" label that retarded park kids drool over



your point still stands, how a boot fits you shoudl be ther first priority, but i'd rather get kryptons that sort of fit ans spend a bunch of money at a boottech to make them fit than get spks that fit right off the bat

your kidding right? ever see a raichle flexon? kryptons evolved the design, but it's hardly new

Just go and try the boots stop arguing over stuff you don't know.

i honestly dont think they are the rep came into our shop for a clinic and he said they were going to be and they ended up not being wood core

good call, not first but its still the only boot on the market using the 3 piece shell tech. its not new, and not that serious of an improvement from the flexon but its still a hell of alot better htan the rest of the boots on the market.

well- not the only one with a three piece shell. check these

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oh nice, keeping the flexon alive. sicky gnar.

holy shit dude u work at aspen???? i tried to get a job there but nothin worked out cuz i have soccer and stuff... but it turned out for the better cuz now i can ski more then if i woulda got the job.... i had no idea anyone around here was on NS

I like the Dumonts.
Mainly because I was in the lift line in Laax, and spotted the skis and was about to ask 'dude nice skis, they out yet?' when I realised it was actually Dumont... heh

haha thats funny

here's the biggest difference between that boot and the krypton: placement of the middle buckle. all the middle buckle is doing is tighten the area around the shin, which is a job accomplished by the top buckle.

the middle buckle on the krypton is placed lower than that, straight across the point where your ankle flexes and is most likely to slip out. the lower buckle placement corrects that problem.

the kryptons do have good technology and are a great concept, but i would argue that there is a certain amount of hype around those boots too. I'm not defending any one boot, because I could have gotten either kryptons or spks and i got spks because they felt better.

Both companies market their boots as freestyle specific or park specific, but i think that the SPKs are more of a park-only boot, that is really too soft and not stable enough for being outside the park a whole bunch. That said, I am in the park 90% of the time and I am very light, and have really wide feet, and so the SPK really would work out better for me than the dalbello.


amazing though, the marketing and hype around boots. If a race boot fits your foot the best and is the most comfortable, it will be just as good for freestyle as any hyped up park boot.

who told you that? the salomon rep? thats complete BS.


on salomon spaceframe skis, they use the fiberglass as the sole load bearing element in the ski. the foam is there strictly to keep it from colapsing on itself. the shape the fiberglass is molded into creates strength. the problem with this, is over time, the fiberglass (not the foam) breaks down. this happens on all skis, but when the sole structural element is fiberglass, the ski goes to hell so much quicker. on a wood ski, the core is the primary structural element, and the fiberglass's purpose is to reinforce the wood. both systems work, but spaceframe shit should not be used in high stress areas like racing and freestyle. wood is far more resiliant, and equally light.




and also, to touch on some other subjects mentioned...

as someone else said, the crucial difference between dalbellos and all other boots is in how the heel is totally locked into place. i have a pair of ZX supersports which have the same system, but in an aluminum buckle. the problem here, is as you tighten it, it stiffens the boot up considerably. the cable buckles do not have this problem. this is also the key difference between the flexon and the krypton. (also, why are they still using that liner? most people i know throw different liners in that boot right off the bat anyway.)


also, the kryton series is SUUCCH a riders boot. everything is customizable, and can be stiffened up to race boot spec, or dropped al the way down to park rat soft, all with out a bunch of heavy, breakable shit hanging off it. if that boot did not fit me well, i too would go the extra mile and make it fit, cause its so much better if your a serious rider than 90% of whats out there.

also, someone said a well fitting raceboot would work just as good in the park, BS. for park, soft footboards, and a good amount of forward flex (distancewise, not so much stiffness wise) is crucial. if youve ever spent a day jumping in an uncushioned boot, you will completely understand. plus, race boots have almost zero forward travel, so you are left with NO room to absorb impacts. while i agree fit is crucial, the characteristics of the boot are just as important, and people always seem to just imediatly jump to fit as the ONLY factor. it isnt.

I was sort of exaggerating this part by comparing race boots to a park application, but what I was getting at is that even a race boot that fits very well will ride better than a park boot that doesnt fit you. The features and characteristics of a boot ARE really important, but I would rather have one that fits me than one that has cool features. I have E-EE foot width, and I have been told by my boot guy that the Krypton Rampage would require such a serious overhaul to fit my feet that it really wouldnt be worth it.

My boot guy, Larry Houchen, is one of the best in the country, and recommended me the SPK and I love it. That's pretty much good enough for me.

so basically you're giving a full review of two products that you tried on in a shop, and that you only flexed. WOW THESE SKIS ARE AMAZING THEIR FLEX IS SO GOOD WOW!!

My point is that you can't judge this shit until you've ridden them. You havent hit a booter wearing spk's or riding dumonts, so how do you know if they are shitty or amazing? Bad review.

well this si sort of true becaseu fo the the "plush fur liner" on the rampages, which is just stupid, and not the reason the boot is so great. the krypton has serveral different models, only one of which is freestyle. i fi had my choice i would not get teh rampages but the pros.

the hype from the kryptons comes from the core group of people who swear by the flexon. the hype from the spk comes from the "freestyle" label pure and simple.

no one has gotten the SPK boots in yet this thread is bull shit

www.proctorjones.com
has them

i think u need to keep your opinion to yourself ... i bought a pair of spk's and they are the dopest boot ever made ... i compared the dalbello and the spk at the shop when i bought the spks .. and the spks were way lighter ... they get so much hype cuz they are the fuckin shit

the dumonts look way sicker in real life then the internet fo sure

why???????

do they have a sick topsheet??????????????

Hey know it all 1st year shop kid...
SPK toe box was made bigger to give you room to articulate your forefoot/toes for better balance. you want a performance fit buy a different boot.
It is a different last than any other boot Salomon makes.
It has a shock absorbing footbed as well as shock absorption
in the shin and calf area.

and you forgot to mention
The top buckle is a bottle opener...

Krypton is a Raichle Flexon with a different paintjob.

i'm not super anti-spk, but giving in would not be in the true spirit of ns. people just accept it as the only freestly boot, and mindlessly buy, and i think thats fucktarded.

"a bigger toebox for better balance"-how does that even make sense? i have never been on a rail and thought "damn i wish i had more toe room so i could steeze out my slide"...for tailpresses maybe? i seriously don't get it

lots of boots (kryton included) have excessive padding. and thats really not the reason to buy a boot, if you want that padding you could buy a footbed or a new liner. the boot is all about the actual plastic shell. fyi-the three piece ergonomic shell is fuckgin sick because it flexes more similar to the way your ankle actually flexes, so it fixes the shinbang problem without needing extra padding.

yes the kryton is just an improved flexon, but the flexon isn't made anymore (the boot above is its reincarntaion) and the flexon is still way sicker than the spk.

the ski market in general is a very level playing field. comopanies tend to create bullshit attributes for all their products to make them sound cooler. take skis foe example, all you really need to know are dimensions, core material, and turn radius (maybe), but most companies throw tons of faux-technical terms in there which just tend to confuse the average skier...take the jp vs julien....look at all this stuff that is over-techie-afied in the description....

* Ultra Light Core - unmatched strength-to-weight ratio, the Limited Edition Ultra-Lite wood is used to reduce weight in the widest skis that are naturally heavier due to increased dimensions. Light, yet responsive, this core helps make oversized skis easy to maneuver.
* Vertical Sidewall - increases edge durability by adding material over the edge, while redesigned lighter weight cores keep the total ski weight below that of previous models
* 1.7 Edge Tech - reduced dimensionally for weight savings compared to other models. The edges are heat-treated and coupled with extension rails that extend further into the ski's core. This adds resistance against pull out and helps reduce edge cracking due to rail impact. Steel edges are surrounded in rubber that helps stabilize and strengthen edges on those hard rail landings
* Torsion Triax Fabric - a special combination of procured fiberglass to optimize torsional and longitudinal stiffness for well defined turn initiation and carving
* Carbon Fiber Stringer - embedded in the Torsion Triax Fabric and strategically laid behind the binding through the tail of the ski. This increases pop for ollies, off jumps and in the pipe
* Progressive Radius - the tip and tail profile is designed to have a slow, gradual rise to help keep the skis from getting hung-up in soft or choppy conditions, and helps the ski track smoothly going into jumps and bindings
* Seven Series Base - easy to maintain, the new sintered bases provide improved speed and durability
* Eight Series Topsheet - new nylon top material for added durability and optimal graphic pop

most of these things soudn cool at first, like the 1.7 edge tech (wtf is the 1.7), it says that the edges extend deeper into the ski to help crackign and pullout. this is true, but i feel like most caes where you fuck your edge are pretty extreme (besides gradual use on rails, whic is to be expected) like hitting a hige rock wiht your ski. how much of a differnce is it really going to make? probably not alot, but when you're buying the ski, the 1.7 tech edge reassures you and give you the confidence to pull the trigger and buy it.


long story short-how many of the spk's kewl fReEsTyLe features will acutally make a big difference?

so idk if n e 1 else has skied the boot... but i have... and personally... i loved them. way different feel from the foil for those of u that say there similar. i thot they were great really soft and it wasnt till the last day in them that i had n e shin bang... the gel pad in the heel is great 2

If you think 20 (no 30) year old technology works for you, go for it. Plastic wears down and the Flexon tongue will wear down faster than you know. You said it best...hype.

Balance is balance. You don't think about it dude.
Try standing on one foot without moving your toes or ankle...better balance when you can move your toes. Same in your boots. Its physiology, not jibbinology. And its more comfortable.

what? neither of those statements make any fuckgin sense.