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Foil's or karmas

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bigcougar123
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i kno the rep for volkl but i cant decide which one to get i really like the foils however i cant decide which to get i'm
5'11" and 240lbs and im an expert skier
Sep 24 2006 7:51PM
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Love_Wins.
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Karmas own Foils any day of the week, however, you haven't said what kind of skiing you'll do with them.
Sep 24 2006 7:59PM
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K2skier26
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the foils are going to be a heck of a lot lighter than the karmas if ur going to ski park, but the karmas are also a stiffer more solid ski for everywhere than the foils.
Sep 24 2006 8:01PM
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bigcougar123
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i ski about 65% park 35% allmtn but when im out west i ski about 85% allmtn/pow and 15% park
Sep 24 2006 8:04PM
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Tha_Grouch
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neither. But if you must. Karmas.
Sep 24 2006 8:15PM
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Love_Wins.
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As stated, the foils are lighter, but not so much that it should be a deal breaker...the Karmas are quite a bit stiffer, and hold a better edge on skectchy snow, they are also completely bombproof as far as durability goes. And they'll handle all-mountain better, in my opinion.
Sep 24 2006 8:15PM
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bigcougar123
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bump
Sep 24 2006 9:05PM
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outerlimitz
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I'm 6-1, 200 and I've been going over the same decision. I think for guys in our weight class (you are in fact in a class above me), a stiffer ski is better. I handled the 05-06 karmas in my local shop the other day and they are actually pretty light. All skis feel light until you put bindings on them :) My only concern with the karmas has been, and remains

1) skiing switch (since this is hard to begin with, a stiff ski will make it extra tough)

2) bumps, if they are too stiff, the width will become a problem (though they are narrower in tip and tail than foils.
Sep 24 2006 10:05PM
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outerlimitz
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I will add one thing about salomons. I'm 200 and ski bumps/trees/park/powder pretty hard 30-40 days per season. I never felt that either of my Salomon skis were too soft (CR Lab and Pocket Rocket). I think it's less an issue of weight and more an issues of style. If you rely on your weight to power your skis through (possibly) sloppy turns, then a beefier ski is called for, this is a fine style..look at Bode Miller. If you rely on balance and finesse, then a salomon ski with quickness and precesion is better..and yes, this is possible for bigger guys.
Sep 24 2006 10:10PM
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Mr_Bojangles
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^haha yeah, I'm 6'2 78 kgs and I love my foils. Too bad I don't ski with balance and finesse though, but they are quick.
Sep 24 2006 10:23PM
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Love_Wins.
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How does a stiffer ski make riding switch harder?
Sep 24 2006 10:34PM
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outerlimitz
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Well, skiing a stiffer ski in general is harder. I'm at the point where I can carve switch down blues pretty well, but I'm still shaky.
Sep 24 2006 10:44PM
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cofreeskier
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You should get the Karmas definitely because theyre a stiffer better all mountain ski, including park. Not to mention the foils being extremely mainstream.
Sep 25 2006 12:11AM
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outerlimitz
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I like your last point about not being mainstream. The worst thing in the world is to see some gaper from New Jersey demoing your skis that you spent a lot of money and time picking out. Getting something like the Karmas well definitely prevent that from happening as much.
Sep 25 2006 9:47AM
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Marcos79
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I tried both,

get the karmas, much better than foils
Sep 25 2006 10:46AM
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outerlimitz
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Care to elaborate? What kind of skiing do you do?
Sep 25 2006 11:05AM
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lpskier5
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your gonna destroy the foils in the park, the karmas are def a beefier ski. id get the karmas if i were you
Sep 25 2006 11:17AM
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Ryanvdonk
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i have a pair of 185 ARVs
Sep 25 2006 11:42AM
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Ryanvdonk
Posts: 12811 - Karma: 1,971
for sale
Sep 25 2006 11:42AM
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outerlimitz
Posts: 639 - Karma: 14
Why not start a new thread...
Sep 25 2006 12:01PM
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whattheshit
Posts: 6562 - Karma: 107
why don't you start a new thread instead of trying to thread jack this one with your lameass questions.

first of all, i dion't s4ee how its harder to ski switch with a stiff ski, considering that i ski switch with a 2001 mad trix at 181 cm at only 155 pounds. perhaps you should learn how to carve going forwards before you tackle the backwards skiing thing.

and bumps? we aren;'t talking parabolic racing ski's here. trhey will allow some flexibilityu.l
Sep 25 2006 1:10PM
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outerlimitz
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uncalled for...
Sep 25 2006 2:07PM
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bda10889
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anything with a woodcore is better in my opinion so... Karma's win
Sep 25 2006 3:49PM
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Love_Wins.
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Well, maybe the first part, but I agree with what he said about carving switch, it's the same thing forwards and backwards for the most part, weighting is the only real adjustment, and they aren't designed as bump skis...either of them, but they are going to be of comparable performance in the bumps.
Sep 25 2006 5:01PM
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Ryanvdonk
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i did, but i don't want to keep bumbing it every couple hours
Sep 25 2006 5:10PM
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outerlimitz
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fair enough.
Sep 25 2006 5:13PM
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Marcos79
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well, everything has been said yet, just wanted to point it out!

stiff
bombproof
etc.
Sep 26 2006 3:15AM
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