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A tip on how to screw a rail onto wood

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chapz
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There has been many threads and questions asking how to screw or nail a rail or PVC into plywood to hold it in place. Some people say to go from the bottom up, but i dont know what they mean so i will tell you my way.

1. First, on the rail, drill two holes the smae size. Make it big ebough for the screw to fit through the hole.

2. Next, on the top of the rail, make the hole bigger. (big enough for the head of the screw to fit through.

3. Now, get a washer that the screw can fit through. (Just for the body of the screw, not the head.) Place the washer in the rail, over the smaller hole.

4. Take your screw and put it thorugh the bigger hole on the top. Then, put it in the smaller hole and drill it in the wood. (Make sure that the washer gets in between the two holes. Drill the screw all the way in, until it gets stuck in due to the washer.

5. You can even make two smaller holes, so two screws go in, instead of one.


I hope this is helpful, and if you have any questions or better methods, post them here.

Sep 21 2006 8:21PM
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Denkogami
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That sounds like a sweet technique, more complicated than screwing from the bottom, but this'll use smaller screws, and you won't have the pointy ends sticking up in the pipe, in case the pipe cracks that saves you gashes in the skis.

plus, I'm sure this way holds better and will reduce cracking
Sep 21 2006 10:14PM
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thefilmerguy
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then you'll have holes in the top of the rail tho right?
Sep 22 2006 8:02PM
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chapz
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yeah but they dont do anything. i just take a metal file and sand it down, its really easy and good
Sep 22 2006 8:32PM
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fillup
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i dont see how you could get the washers there but yeah thats how i did it
Sep 22 2006 11:40PM
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chapz
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just ut the washer so the screw goes thorugh it and ou the other side of the small hole
Sep 23 2006 1:00AM
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chapz
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bumpp
Sep 26 2006 8:23PM
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Bloom.
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any pictures? i kinda get it but its still a little confusing
Oct 14 2006 2:14PM
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magic_steve
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i think this is what he meant, anyway this is the way i would do it... dam i was bored to make this
Click for larger image
Oct 14 2006 2:54PM
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magic_steve
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i may have exagerated the 'big hole'
Oct 14 2006 2:55PM
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chapz
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perfect man, sorry guys, i would have made a pic but i forgot about this thread...

this picture is exactly what i meant
Dec 15 2006 4:35PM
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fnstoked
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What's a good number of screw to hold a 8-10 ft pvc pipe down?
Dec 16 2006 6:26PM
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ragadytrees
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i used 4 and it is just fine
Dec 17 2006 6:20PM
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Goobie
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i used this method to make my rail. It works great its so much easier than going from the bottom up
Dec 18 2006 4:04PM
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chapz
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yeah i use it all the time and never get any problems
Dec 23 2006 10:58AM
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socktrooper
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if you drill a hole on top of that rail, wouldn't u catch on ur skis when u grind sideways? think again
Dec 23 2006 2:05PM
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chapz
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what do you mean? just take a metal file and sand the hole in. its works perfectly
Dec 26 2006 5:31PM
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bbtdeathcross
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u guys sure the holes on top dont mess u up?
Mar 13 2007 2:35PM
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Goobie
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YES it works perfecly you don't even feel them
Mar 13 2007 5:13PM
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line1260skier
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I have used this method and it works great but i like the bottom up method better because it looks cleaner.

for the bottom up you have to pre drill a small hole from the wood into the pipe then just screw it in from the bottom up, not to hard but kinda time consuming. It also looks much nicer.
Mar 13 2007 10:03PM
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Sideways_Shane
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i just did it from the bottom up its way easyer
Mar 17 2007 9:34PM
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Peter.
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cool i'll try this when i make my triple barrel pvc this summer
Mar 19 2007 7:13PM
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TheTristanator
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i dont see what the washer is for

this will only work if you have a pretty small pipe

and you dont even need to file the hole down

May 31 2009 11:50PM
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*steeze_is_good
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Or you can also use U bolts, drill 2 holes in the bottom of the pvc, put the U bolt in and then drill 2 holes in the wood. Put the U bolt through the wood and put nuts on the ends, it looks cleaner and I think its easier than screwing from under
Jun 7 2009 5:29PM
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sklermang
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really? it took me all of 15 minutes to screw on 4 pipes in 4 places on each pipe drilling from the bottom up. just line up your pvc, lay your 2x4, plywood or whatever on top, and drill. whats hard about that? that way you don't have to worry about drilling 2 different size holes or getting the 2 different holes lined up, and you can use a power drill instead of using a screwdriver.

go up from bottom. /thread
Jun 7 2009 8:52PM
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TheTristanator
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^ good thinkin

well alot of drill bits come with a small thing and on the back its big plus this is stronger

Jun 11 2009 10:26PM
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caucasian_chad
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Why the hell would you need a screwdriver to go from the top?  just use an extender with the power drill.  And lining the holes up is easy if you drill all the way thru with the small bit then widen the top hole with the big bit.The bottom hole isn't completely necessary any way, but its a good idea so the pipe won't crack.
Jun 14 2009 1:27AM
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sklermang
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I guess the picture up there^ threw me off, but i just don't see what advantage you get from screwing in from above rather than below, and it seems like it would be more of a hassle to drill from above.
Jun 14 2009 3:06PM
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Bill.
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i feel better on a rail drilled from the top down like this method, when you drill from the bottom up, the only thing holding the pvc on is the thread of the screw.
when you go top down, the whole area aroud th washer has to fail for the rail to break.
Jun 14 2009 7:54PM
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Tom21
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k, i was also thinking about this because right now im building my summer setup...in my case i cant go from the bottom cause i did it from 15 centimetres high wood...so i find it much easier to drill it through and then sand it and if somebody says that it actually works no reason not to try....i believe in it,will try next week when i get my tubes
Jun 24 2009 4:35PM
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.SimonB.
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it is better if you try to put the big hole on the side, so that you dont catch and edge or chip the piping. Just my personal experience.
Jun 24 2009 11:52PM
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steeze2pleeze
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i do the same thing but i dont drill small holes in the bottom or the washers. if its pvc, a drill will push a screw through pvc just as easily as wood and holds fine. just a time saver i guess.
Jun 25 2009 4:16PM
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Bodeau.
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No this is dumb. Screw up from the bottom. no holes and held better.
Jun 26 2009 1:58PM
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dylansiggers
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Deffinatly not! the holes dont matter and it holds way better.

you have poor logic
Jul 7 2009 10:13PM
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jca
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yeah siggers!

show him whos boss!

Jul 8 2009 7:53PM
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K2theExtreme
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Ill have pics up soon, these all are not the BEST way to do it, what you really need is a few bolts, and spacers, and a side access hole...
Jul 9 2009 5:42PM
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nuffsaid
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my friend did this to his rail last year and if u switch up or land on where the wholes are the rail can crack.
Jul 10 2009 12:48PM
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