9/11 conspiricies

You're an idiot. I have explained a reasonable source to each of your pathetic excuse for a "fact" multiple times. You're just too much of a stubborn fool to accept the TRUTH. The TRUTH is that there was no setup on 9/11 just some preposterous attention whores and blind sheep followers (such as yourself) who will believe anything that goes against the norm.

Come on, the videos were confiscated for federal viewing. What happens if a murder is caught on tape? THE POLICE TAKE THE VIDEOS. Hooray for proportionate thinking! Oh wait, you can't do that.

Look bro, nobody is ignoring them. I have explained every single bullshit thing you have posted here. Yet, you continue to force this thought through your "brain" that our government killed 3,000 people only for an economic loss and loss of many lives. You live under a rock and think you know what goes on in the world. I can honestly tell you, if you continue on your path like you are now, I will probably have had a better conception of this world when I was 12 years old. Grow up, get first-hand experience (no more fucking internet forums and loose change replicas), and fucking read BOOKS by foreign and domestic officials.

The states also new that pearl harbour was going to happen. the intercepted japanese orders to abandon all negoitons with the usa and had it contain other information of the sort that showed japan was going to attack. but the message didn't get delivered because Gen. Walter Short co of pearl harbour because he was out of his office. Also radar picked up the incoming Zeros but the were mistakliny idetfied for an incoming flight of american b52s that were supposed to be coming in when in fact the b52 flighs were delayed and no comunications were sent about that.

Unless the government comes out with true evidence that they did NOT have any part of 9/11, im really skeptical. They KNOW there are people out there who think the government had a part of it. Why dont they just stand up and prove us all wrong then?

all you idiots are doing is attempting to counter my points by saying ITS NOT POSSIBLE. mitch, i read alot, i can almost gurantee i read more then you. if someone can refute my points with fact and not personal opinon i will listen

mitch, you have not addressed any of these points



atta spotted after 9/11 alive and well

israeli mossad was in ny in the weeks before 9/11 and on 9/11

how did wtc 7 collapse?

also you keep saying the u.s got nothing out of 9/11 or the war on terror. my simple answer is , read pnac.

and please everyone stop saying i love loose change, i dont.

Do any of you honestly think that the the USA would attack them selves killing countless innocent people? That is the most bullshit I have ever heard. The Al-queada have already claimed responsibility for the attack so just stop talking about these conspiacry theroys.

the americans didnt have B52s in world war 2....

Why not? No one will know. No one can actually say it was, or wasn't the goverenment. The United States Of America's government is why far above anyones head. Period.

sorry i meant b-17's

"if your so angry that the united states goverment faked 9/11 why dont you leave the country? either your doing this for attention, or you dont believe in what your saying at all."

CNN ancor.

what!?!?!?!?!  so if I believe my government did this i should just leave the country? and as to your stupid fucking claim about attention or not actually believing it, that is bullshit. 100% wrong.

yeah if you believe that our goverment did such a horrible thing to kill thousands of people, why would you want to live in such an unjust country, when in the same country grants you the freedom to move to alot of other countries, perhaps not promoting faking terrorism? why dont you do it? do it! DO YOU BELIEVE IN IT STRONGLY ENOUGH TO MOVE, OR DO YOU NOT BELIVE 100% THE BULLSHIT YOUR SPEWING?

read this; http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

then if that hasn't shut you up yet, go through the links at the bottom of that page.

hmm second time I've had to post that today

Im not a structual enginier so i wouldnt know how wtc 7 feel but
read this www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html,
and maddox does make a pretty good point, i mean if the government was able to set up 9/11 and then hide it, i dont think they would let some kid make a movie saying they did it, they would just take the kid out.

The thing i ask is, if the US did orcastrate the attacks, why would the muslim world go along with it so well, dont you think there would be calls by Iran and Syria and Iraq that 9/11 be further investigated, dont you think there would be outcry from the Taliban that Afganistan was invaded under false premesis becuase Osama had nothing to do with 9/11?

i'm so fucking sick of hearing about these conspiracies, listen up assholes. all of your "information", where are you getting it? if all of your sources have been googled on the internet, then whoops! you've been sucked into the bullshit vacuum! you cannot rely on information as factual unless you can get it from a valid source. if this stuff was true, newspapers and other media would be going absolutely INSANE over it and there would be so much information to get from it. but there is a reason you can't get any valid sources for these conspiracies is because they are not true in any sense. your only arguments are extremely absurd statements of how the hijackers have been spotted alive or there were missiles and bombs on the airliners. if for just one moment you try thinking with a reasonable mind, you'll see that for every fact you think proves the goverment is behind 9/11, there are 10 more true facts proving your fact fucking wrong. and you don't think the towers should have collapsed? why the hell not?! a fucking plane crashed into them! add burning jet fuel to an already crippled structure and of coursing it's going to collapse! and if you think that the entire thing should not have collapsed just because the top did then what the fuck is wrong with you? the top quarter or so of the entire building collapsed on the rest of the burning building! that's THOUSANDS OF TONS OF BUILDING MATERIAL falling on top of the rest of the building! they weren't built to withstand that! and you still don't give us a REASON THE GOVERNMENT WOULD DO THIS. there is no excuse for a government to wipe out thousands of its own innocent citizens, it's bullshit! you're wrong, quit making up crap and stirring up shit controversy. shut the fuck up already.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=Penn+Teller&hl=en
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Fuckin Bill clinton had a chance to kill bin laden when he was in power, but he didnt cause hes a fuckin idiot

another shitty ignorant thread.

governments have attacked themselves before to create an enemy of the state

alex jones is def %80 full of shit

the US and other governments have taken advantage of the constant crisis created by the "War on Terror" to enact a lot of legislation that is at best weakly connected to the WOT.
the worst of that legislation being the partiot act, which is almost entirely directed at catching drug smugglers and money launderers

its all a little shifty but im not pointing real fingers until bush is out of office and the path of the country has not changed

Ok, I have adressed these points so many times. Don't ever say you read more than me. You read more bullshit than me, yes that is true. I read from DIFFERENT opinions.

Here's a good way to look at it. You get your info from the INTERNET...I get mine from first hand experience, books, and newspapers. Hmmm who should we believe here...

Ok here we go, just to make you look like an idiot for the last time. Bullshit, I could say I saw Bin Laden in the lift line at Mammoth. People look like people, people exaggerate, and frankly, people just want the attention. I will never believe they were seen without reliable photographs and reliable conversation. Here you are highly mislead by internet jargin. Thus, this point makes you look like, say it with me, an idiot.

WTC 7 was about 300 feet away from the towers. Now if you look at the first tower collapsing, the top leans in the direction of WTC 7, and in fact, hits it dealing massive damage to the south side of the building. You know, the angle that conspiracy theorists, lose change, and any other pathetic redundant video you show want you to see. 25% of the building was highly damaged due to the first collapse. Not to mention EXPOSED air to feed the fires already burning.

Now, the towers had about the effect of a 5.0 earthquake in the immideate area of 1,000+ feet. You don't think it could be anywhere possible that such sesimic activity could do exclusive damage to WTC 7? Moron. Also, you see the building collapse to the side that has been significantly weakened by tower 1's collapse. Again, you are an idiot.

Really, just read PNAC. You can't tell me what the benfit was, and keep referring to PNAC being some sort of plan of world domination? Please, go sit in your room for another 4 days and create a theory on how some secret organization wants to secretly take over Canada because of the resources we could gain.

I think your best bet is to realize why 99% of this site thinks you are retarded, annoying, wrong, ignorant, pathetic, etc. and think to yourself there must be a reason why NS hates me? Yes, there is. You are an attention seeking loser with no clue about what goes on in the world other than videos you see online. Please get educated and not use the internet for everything.

i really dont care if you all think im wrong. the truth will come out within the next 5 years.

Usually when someone makes me look like a complete fool, I just don't post in the topic. I suggest you do the same.

you said my info was wrong. how the fuck is that making me look like a fool? its your opinon

No, I showed WHY it was wrong. Something you have yet to do to anything I say.

no, you think you did but ya didint.


if you think all of this is bullshit, have a debate with ryan dawson, who is much better at discussing ALL of this then a 17 yr old high school kid is. hear what alex jones has to say, read some noam chomsky. go to infowars.com. its all there. all you have done is say what IM saying is wrong by submitting your own logic and reason and by basically saying its not probable.

i think mi(scra)tch doesn't really read much worlf politics, just reads what he wants to read. from his posts, thats what i get.

I'd just like to say 2 things.

1) why would the government refuse to release tapes of the 9/11 attacks? Same reason they dont release tapes of dead soldiers being carried off a plane, it lowers a countrys morale sufficiently.

2) the united states has been in and out of war since pearl harbour. Im not pointing fingers or anything, or being a conspiracy bum, but because it purchases nearly all of its equipment from inside its own country, war can be very healthy for its economy.

MONEY IN THE BANK.

You never answered my question.....huh.

hahaha noam chomsky fuck that fool, hugo chavez turned you on to that idiot too didn't he?

Might as well go suck Chavez's dick, he'll need all the help he can get being down in Venezuelan political polls and all.

"intelligent sites, like prisonplanet.com, anti-neocons.com"...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....whew, that's the funniest shit I've heard all day...

wrong AGAIN.

^ just SHUT THE FUCK UP

If some guy comes and tells you that 'The holocaust didn't happen' and give you some photos and tells you some facts, you'd believe it wouldn't you?
This is exactly the SAME.

From your posts (which usually contain misconceptions of everything) I get that you shouldn't be judging anythin I say.

Look at what I just wrote. Do you think there's a reason that FuckThePolice didn't rebuttle to it other than "oh well you think I'm wrong, but I'm right." and didn't even try to point out any counter-argument. He's an intellecutally incapable slu who feeds off of internet forums and other rejects' literature.

As for you, I would love to hear an explination WHY you would ever say I don't read much "worlf" assuming you meant world, politics. I read many sources, and many different opinions. I am truly a moderate in my beliefs. If you would like to question that, I would love to hear any propositions why you would think that. Personally, I think you are just mad because I have showed you up in the past, and you are just bitter, but oh well. You and FuckThePolice can go save the world from the evil corporate underground society that secretly controls our gas prices, minds, and beleifs.

everyone interested in this should watch this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change

I'm not saying it is true or false. It is a theory and has SOME pretty solid evidence of theory.

This video kinda goes hand in hand with the previous:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-116865320906278990&q=death+of+the+electric+car

yeah.

again if that video were true, the kid who made it and all of his friends, would have been dead before they were done with it.

Well first of all they will say it was the Jews because Bush is running his American nazi party.

The US is actually fighting an army that THEY trained. an u beleive that?

# 7 collapsed because the fire pretty much melted away the structure, also there was a gigantic tank of oil in the bottom of the building that was for that area in case of power failure or anything, i know this stuff because my dad worked in that building and his company was notified of this after 9/11

How could they find the hijackers passports... but not the black boxes (those indestructible flight recorders)in the rubble?

This is paper vs. inconceivably strong metal. Some kind of titanium alloy with a proven ability to NOT melt in burning jet fuel.

I'm not saying I support any of this. But, the movie makes some very interesting points.

Such as, in all of history NO building has ever fallen due to burning flames. Why did the building that housed all of enron's misgivings fall. There were other buildings much closer that should have collapsed. Plus other than the Enron building only two others in all of history have ever collapsed due to burning flame. WTC N and WTC S.

I dont care about the theories of how hot the fire was and how it lowered the structural integrity of the titanium. I am a student in Engineering at the University of Waterloo. Titanium is generally unique in that when heated, it's yield strength can actually increase. If you say that the US gov killed all those people why not kill the makers of loose change? What kind of suspicion would arise over the sudden death of a couple of college students.

Lastly, the movie makes absolutely NO accusation. It merely displays an opinion in a strong and probably biased way. All of YOU make your OWN accusations based on what you see and hear in the movie. Think about that.

Alot of the other buildings are older, and have a core made up of steel and concrete. The newer buildings (like the twin towers) had a core made up of steel and sheetrock (alot weaker but cheaper aswell) so the buildings with the steel and concrete core were much more stable, therefore, making it harder for them to collapse.

Oh and as for the second part it's made of steel and when steel gets hot it bends (as you should know).

They DID find the black boxes.


Please refer to my above post on the buildings collapsing.

The US government could easily kill some college kid and get away with it. Think about that shooting in Montreal, that could have been someone hired by the government to take someone out. And if the government could orcastrate something as big as 9/11 they would be able to kill some kid and cover it up.

ok that's completely fair.

But if any of these statements are true. If you see the original news castings (from right after the event itself) and the ones everyone saw (when they got home from work/school) It seems as if the gov is doing a bad job of covering things up. The fact that there is evidence sugesting such ill-natured actions perhaps means that someone fucked up.

And who's to say college boy isnt dead?

Again, I don't support any evidence suggesting or denying who destroyed all those lives.

But there has been some fucked up shit in the past. This is a stretch, but no one in Germany really knew the extent of the holocaust until after Hilter was destroyed. All of the information/evidence that lead to his persecution was not released until well after his death. As a matter of fact, war time jurisdiction has a 50 year holding period before it can be publically released/discussed.

Holy CRAP!

Oh my goodness, such stupidity, and yet i still read all of this.

Mitch, let it go, I'm pretty sure that if you led FuckThePolice to water you wouldn't even be able to prove him the water was there at all, even after a wave knocks him over onto his head/ass.

So then, FuckThePolice, here we all are, once again, with your bullshit.

Allow me to enlighten you on certain points of intelligent discourse, of which you oh so naively think you are king. Or, rather, you admit you suck at it ("i admit i do a terrible job at presenting the facts"), yet completely ignore when your ass is handed to you on a silver platter.

Point number one: The Burden of Proof

As you are the opposing party, the one who disagrees with the general consensusarther, and thus the one with the "new" or  "alternate" theory, your side of the argument has something coined "The Burden of Proof".
Said burden is a big one, because it hold you responsible to provide your claim with proof, or facts, as you want to call it. It means that your argument is the one to be proven right, by your own self, and it is not the job of the other side to prove you wrong.
Simply put, when you make claims, such as that the terrorist attacks of September the 11th were a giant conspiracy, you, sir, cannot make statements such as "well, prove me wrong!". It is logically fallacious to do so. When we see and say that you are full of crap, you cannot, logically, respond by simply dismissing our claims that you are full of shit, especially when our argument is substantiated, by saying "prove me wrong!".

Point number two: Bias

You enjoy saying things such as "why dont you go to intelligent sites, like prisonplanet.com,anti-neocons.com.".

The one problem, is that, once again, your train of thought gets hijacked and run into your ass. Have you ever even stopped to think about the websites you are quoting? If your "proof" is going to have any kind of substance, it better be from impartial, relevant and qualified sources.

When it comes to impartial, we have already failed, because "anti-neocon" is about as biased as you can get when dealing with matters such as these. Bias, as you know, means that one is not open to any other train of thought, and leans in a certain direction and will not turn from it. If you are looking for "proof" from opinion websites, you are failing at everything you think you stand for.

When it comes to relevant, we have failed, because these sites are not impartial, as shown, and are not fact site as such. the people on there conducted no research on their own, and are speculating. They are not primary sources of information, but jackasses like you, sitting on their ass "compiling" everything that agrees with you and jerking off to it while you stay confined in your room for days at a time, as the social deject you are.

When it comes to qualified, see above.

Now, since you seem so keen on posting websites that prove something, let me do the same. You complain that no one reads what you post, but i also suspect you won't read anything i may post, because in your mind i have been labelled a neo-con (even though i am french, about as on your side as any nation on earth). The first two sites are impartial, fact sites. They have conducted their own research, have discussed with relevant and authoritative sources and are a reference int he matter. Seeing as your side enjoys debunking all of these sites point by point, please, do so. In the meantime, here is some knowledge:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

This next site takes your porno numero uno and debunks it using something called logic, and reasoning, it may sound familiar, but trust me, you don't know what that is:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

So, there are our facts, proving yours wrong. These, which you will refuse to confront, put you in your place, whether you like it or not.

Go ahead and dismiss them with "wrong, wrong and wrong again!"

But that fact that you are a dumbass has been well established, so save yourself the time.

I hope you may have learned something today.

Dude, bring him the hell on.

http://www.911truth.org/index.php
^that site has everything

watch this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9%2F11+mysteries

dont talk shit without researching...
both sides.
but the facts are rediculous.

your sources are bullshit. pop mechanics specualtes and assumes. i have read it. here is an example from the loose change "guide".


here is the picture and qoute




Q-Or the engines would have slammed into the building? There is a 75-foot hole there. Remember how big the engines were? If 6 tons of steel and titanium slammed into the Pentagon at 530 MPH, they would bury themselves inside the building, leaving two very distinct imprints. And yet, the only damage on the outside of the Pentagon is this single hole



A-smoke obscures most of the scene. The hole was approx. 75' wide, and includes the portion behind the cable spools, where the right wing hit. Again, this does not represent the angle at which the plane hit.

all that whole useless fuckign site does is ask sarcastic questions and assume. its a terrible site.

^ All you do is make assumptions that everyone is retarded.

That video was good, it just went through the physics of the whole thing. A lot more convicing then the blame fest that loose change is.

I already showed you why this was wrong. What's new. FuckThePolice, you really need to make some friends and get out of the home school scene. It's really obvious why you are so ignorant now. All of your sources are internet based, very nice.