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K2 made in china.... Armada made by Atomic... who's kidding who?

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skibummer
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Go ahead and dis the Rossi' and Salomon's or even Head and Volkl's of the world but at least the above make attempt to hide their intentions.

Ski companies exist to make $ and anybody who thinks that k2 and Armada are not in the game to do the same are true chumps.

k2 who says they are team driven have their skis made in china to save $ and increase their profits. Cheaper made skis are often cheaply made skis.

Armada who says they are all about team and core interest can't even make their own skis... That weak!!!
Sep 10 2006 1:18PM
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beaulieudavid
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if they dont start a compagny to make money, they would start it for what? playing golf...fuck off $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ money means power
Sep 10 2006 1:21PM
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skibummer
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Right back at you ass face.

All I'm saying is k2 and armada are misrepresenting themselves.

Don't be an asshole and read before you write.
Sep 10 2006 1:24PM
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Mahre
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this last season was the first year in about 6 or 7 years i didnt break a ski.....
Sep 10 2006 1:25PM
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jksl
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i'm not one to really know about this shit, but i'm preeeeetty sure just because armada uses the atomic factory to make their skis (is that true? i can never keep up with this shit) doesn't mean they can't have their skis made exactly how they want. and it's not like it's a big secret that k2 and others have been making their skis in china now. so pretty much this is some lame shit you're spittin out man.
Sep 10 2006 1:28PM
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Justo8484
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skibummer, you have no idea what you're talking about. just because k2 makes their skis in china now does not mean they are an inferior product, or dont listen to their team for input. before k2 moved production to china, we used to get a fair amount of skis back into the shop cause they broke. since they moved production thier, the numbers have gone way way down. we had one pair of PEs come back last year, and thats because the kid took a 70 footer to about 90 feet and landed straight on his tips. that was the only pair of k2 skis that came back broken last year for us. they're definately doing something right.
Sep 10 2006 1:31PM
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nothanks
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you're so smart now a days
Sep 10 2006 1:41PM
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Grimace.
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do you have any idea how hard it would for armada to make there own site? every company has someone make it for them.
Sep 10 2006 1:46PM
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Grimace.
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skis*

all the other companys that do hae an inferior product.
Sep 10 2006 1:47PM
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rabbitsteeze
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fisrt, outsourcing manufacturing does not mean poor quality. in fact international manufacturers often produce higher quality materials than domestic manufacturers in the states.
second, to support a team/core driven image you must have $. Increased profits are what allow for increased budgets for the athletes that drive the company image and products progression.

on simple terms, why is it that these companies(k2,armada...)
continue making better quality skis?
Its not because they are being made in detroit.
Sep 10 2006 1:51PM
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J.D.
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Like any industry, skiing is driven by it’s consumers, do you think the average young skier recognizes the power of the decisions he or she makes when walking into a ski shop and buying something?

No. I feel like people don’t acknowledge or use their buying power to its fullest extent. When a consumer selects one brand over another, it makes a big difference. If consumers only support thosebrands which support us, our industry will grow,but, if we choose to be indifferent about what we support, we will have a hard time to grow our sport the right way. We’ll have racing companies telling us what is important. Consumers have an amazing power, and it is their buying power which makes a big difference.

I’m not only talking about skiing products. Think about when you buy groceries. If we support local industry, farmers in our community will continue to be a fundamental part of our society. But, if we just buy the cheapest products on the shelves, like most of us do, with no concern for the implications of who we support, all of our products will come from a farmer a million miles away who has no concern or interest in our community. And like we see, localized farming has almost been eliminated from our marketplace. Now rather than people working for themselves on their own land, they are working for Dairyland as a wage laborer, while Dairyland pollutes the land.

No one cares what a brand represents or does; it’s just the bottom line. The only things consumers are looking for is lower costs. This would be negated if we supported local industry. The same goes for the ski industry.
-Anthony Boronowski, from Cream (www.writetheotherway.com)
Sep 10 2006 2:16PM
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jack.whelan
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if armada having their skis pisses you off, how about the fact that aston martins are made by ford. rolls royce are made by BMW. bentley are made by VW. shit happens, the atomic factory is probably more advanced than the armada one would be if they started from scratch. atomic have had the capitol to pump into a factory for decades and it is therefore going to be top of the range, if armada built a factory, it would be with loans etc. and would not be as technologically advanced.
Sep 10 2006 2:33PM
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TWoods
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Wow, you are missing the point.

first of all<b>K2 has NEVER tried to hide that they make skis in China. not only that, but they have built a village for their laborers with adverse living conditions to work in, and pay them well. Furthermore, K2 now produces a much better, more sound product. It's fact. </b>
 
and now for Armada.... Armada has their skis made in teh same factory as Atomic skis. Who the fuck cares? Atomic factory has better facilities, better technology, and will produce a much better product. <b>Atomic is not making Armada. Armada is making Armada in Atomic's factory.</b>

And lastly, What does it matter anyways?

Sep 10 2006 2:57PM
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Triple_Strum
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congratulations on not thinking before making a post yourself. Do you really think an upstart company is going to waste millions of dollars to build their own factory just so they can say they truly make their own skis from the top down (called Vertical Enterprising)? All the companies you named create the specs and designs that the skis are made from, it doesn't matter who the actual company is that owns the factory. Get off your seat of self-righteous and ignorance before you try to take a shot at a company.
Sep 10 2006 2:59PM
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FUUUCK
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I dont understand the purpose of this thread

"Go ahead and dis the Rossi' and Salomon's or even Head and Volkl's of the world but at least the above make attempt to hide their intentions."

whoa whoa whoa! who says anything about dissing rossignol, volkl or head? i havent met anyone who had a serious problem with any of these companies


"Ski companies exist to make $ and anybody who thinks that k2 and Armada are not in the game to do the same are true chumps."

you just realized that ski companies exist to make money? I'll let you in on a little secret, we already know.


"Cheaper made skis are often cheaply made skis."

Do you know this for a fact? Becasuse i just had this idea that maybe, just maybe its more economical to make skis in china because the cost of running a factory is less expensive then in north america or europe. Maybe american dollars go a lot further in china than the do at home. Maybe K2 is getting more bang for their buck. And maybe you have no fucking clue what youre talking about.


"Armada who says they are all about team and core interest can't even make their own skis... That weak!!!"


They cant make there own skis because they dont have the capitol to build there own factory from the ground up, they cant afford it. What does that have to do with being core? You're essentially saying you have to be rich to be team driven and be a core company? get the fuck out
Sep 10 2006 3:40PM
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Ace3+4
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aramda skis were made by elan befor so it might as well be atomic i fu ask me
Sep 10 2006 3:52PM
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Dan-Man
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I am shocked jsuit kiidin I knew armada was up to some funny busines thats why I rep dynastar or line dynastar quality skis and a semi big company and line a true core brand with quality products thanks line dynastar
Sep 10 2006 3:52PM
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CooksCorner
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I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!
Sep 10 2006 4:00PM
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dom_uk
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"LOUD NOISES"
Sep 10 2006 4:37PM
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lyndon
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Thanks, now i have a chance to test these out.
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Sep 10 2006 4:39PM
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lyndon
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Thanks, now i have a chance to test these out.
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Sep 10 2006 4:39PM
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lalalalaura
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There's more to a company's structure than the products being sold....
Sep 10 2006 4:41PM
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lyndon
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^ Damn Double Posts
Sep 10 2006 4:41PM
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mavw
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excellent point, you sir are on the ball
Sep 10 2006 4:56PM
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Silence
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^ at least you beat the spambuster
Sep 10 2006 4:59PM
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Grimace.
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it was a little funny how the year that k2 moved to china, they re-realesed the american flag ski. but i agree with everything you said.
Sep 10 2006 5:02PM
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skibummer
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If this thread is weak why are so many contributing to it?

The point of my thread was directed at those who hold Armada and K2 on a peddestol for being the best freeski brands out there.

I personally think otherwise and since this is a free country I can think that way.

The idea was to make you all think about the ski business.

I'm so tired of hearing that Salomon and others are the bad guys of the ski business when the supposed core brands like Armada and k2 are actually the ones who are most likely to cash in on the popularity of the sport.

That's all.
Sep 10 2006 5:10PM
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lalalalaura
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NO ONE considers K2 core.
K2 is the Nike of skiing.

and what is Armada doing wrong anyways? That would be like, calling out Ben and Jerry's because the milk they buy to make ice cream is from cows, and they didn't make it themselves....

Also, contributions to threads are not indicative of their quality. In this case, 75% of the posts or more, were likely typed out in response to your overwhelming ignorance and outlandish accusations. That doesn't mean this thread is good.
Sep 10 2006 5:16PM
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MLB
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I dunno.....skis are skis. If your buying skis because they are from a "core" company, then your a shit bag. Being "core" does not make the skis any better.

Now most people are gonna say, well core companys have direct feedback from their pros. Well so do the big companys. Honestly skis are skis. A kid could start out on centre mounted AR6, with look bindings with the lifters taken off( and he has all this shit cause he is on NS way way too much) and will not make a lick of a difference to his skiing. It is the skier that makes the skis, not the skis that make the skier. In the end those things will help you out a little bit, but the only time you will see it is when start to get good. Even then, it will not make very much of a difference. Anyways i support 4FRNT skis cause they are made in canada, which is good for the ski scene here.
Sep 10 2006 5:48PM
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mad_540_trix
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i have to object (to a certain extent)

"Even then, it will not make very much of a difference"

when you get good at skiing, your skis make a huge difference.  when i moved from my mad trix to my ARVs as my main skis, they made a huge difference in my skiing in all areas.  my powder, park, and big mountain performances improved greatly.  after a couple of runs getting used to the skis, i was a much better skier.  while they didn't carve quite as well as my mad trix due to the fact that they're a much softer ski, the wider surface area helped my stability.  i still take my mad trix out if it's icy due to the fact that they can hold an edge a little bit better, but my ARVs help better my skiing.in almost all other areas.

sure,  for a beginner skier the skis don't make as much of a difference, but it's definitely not a good idea to start somone who's 5'6" on 191 ANTs.
Sep 10 2006 6:13PM
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bp.lando
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SIMPLE AWNSER EVERYONE DESIGNS THEIR SKIS

MAKING THEM DOESNT CONSTITUTE AS DESIGNING THE SKIS AS WELL
Sep 10 2006 6:27PM
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anon.ymous
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Skis made in China ARENT bad, unless under the following conditions...

Companies like K2 and Atomic have stringent QC (quality control) over every aspect of development and manufacturing. They maintain the highest levels of sterility (dust/hair/fingerprints can all screw up the epoxy, resulting in a ski more likely to delam).

Which brings in someone like Armada. For them to have their skis pressed in a small factory, away from the BIG GUYS, they are risking the QC to be dramatically lower, resulting in so-so skis that are more likely to fall apart.

Alot of the lower priced Asian factories pay workers a "per unit" rate, as opposed to an "hourly rate", meaning that the worker gets paid for EACH UNIT PRODUCED. Obviously, in this setting, quality gets put aside for speed, so the worker can make more money. This almost always results in a shitty product, as speed is the number 1 priority. When you pay a worker by the hour, it doesnt matter the quantity of skis produces, as he can take his time, knowing his check isnt determined by how fast he is.

Asian manufacturers were once known for Indestructable manufaturing. They took great pride in their product, delivering a supremely reliable product to the market. This bit them in the ass, as the "rebuy" rate (repurchase to replace a broken SOMETHING) deminished greatly. Its now common practice (in electronics / cars / ect) to build products to a "death date". The death date is the YEARS a product will exist. After that, the product is designed in some cases to basically kill itself. This allows companies to know that the demand for their products will still be UP.

So basically, for the smaller "core" companies not to have their skis manufactured in a LARGER companies factory, they are risking delivering a sub-standard product to the buying public.

In my mind, this makes Armada MORE core. It means they care about quality, and they care that the kid who buys a pair of AR6's is getting the best ski for his money. Taking care of the customers is "core", just as much as being independent is
Sep 10 2006 6:30PM
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acc
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more profit = the ability to put more into r&d, contests like the back 9 & lifts tickets aren't that rad, and the ability to back their athletes financially for equipment, trips, expense budgets, etc.  if in that they are helping out another company financially by paying them to press their skis then that is good for the industry. 
Sep 10 2006 6:40PM
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my_ar5_steeze
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thats definitly not true, k2 is a canadian company, and armada is def not made by atomic
Sep 10 2006 6:42PM
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acc
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armada isn't up to any funny business.
line has been made in china for what 2 years now?  now they are also owned by k2

Sep 10 2006 6:43PM
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acc
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vashon is in washington buddy
Sep 10 2006 6:46PM
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justinm
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who fuckin cares as long as the skis are dope and go well man its all good. do you work to make people happy or to make cash?????? i work to make cash same goes with everyone and thats how it is, everyones gotta pay the billz including owners of ski companies.
Sep 10 2006 6:50PM
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NGA
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yaaaa
Sep 10 2006 7:02PM
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FUUUCK
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joke?
Sep 10 2006 7:12PM
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jfuller
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Atomic makes alot more than just Armada's skis you idiots. In fact, if you look at the smorgasbord that is ski manufacturing, you'll find that almost everyone is sleeping with someone else.

Don't like it? DO something about it, start your own "core" company and press skis yourself.

In the meantime, you're probably better off supporting companies who are TRYING to make a difference for YOU, instead of bitching about them on NS.
Sep 10 2006 8:01PM
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OCHO
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first of all elan still makes armadas and line just got bought out by k2. and last year line outsourced to china too.
Sep 10 2006 8:20PM
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quattro179
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Referring to the original post. I am pretty sure that k2 owns volkl and quiksilver owns rossi. Does that change you opinion of them..
I mean who the hell cares. I thought Atomic had one of the best factories. So wouldn't that be a GOOD thing for Armada. Armada is designing the skis.
And K2 never tried to hide that they moved to China. Is this kid really pissin anyone else off..
Sep 10 2006 9:21PM
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anon.ymous
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the fact stands that in the last handful of years, skis have improved DRAMATICALLY in quality over what they used to be. They are lasting longer, breaking less, and becoming specialised in what they can do (pontoon, ARG , ect)

twin tips are leaps and bounds better then before, and if that means a few core companies use large factories to have their product made, the end result is a quality ski

if the core companies reverted back to tiny manufacturers to make product, it would go back to the days where you could break a pair of skis in weeks w/o even trying
Sep 10 2006 9:43PM
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CZA
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exactly
Sep 10 2006 9:45PM
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