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It's A Battle! Mr. Foil vs. Sir Karma!

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nickmcnutt
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so yeah... im around 150 lbs, around 6 feet, looking around 178-181 length, and i ski whistler (lots of park, except when it snows.) on a scale of 1-5 (actual skiing ability, not trick ability) i'm probably a 4.5-5. im looking at a 1 ski quiver, because im that rich, and something along the lines of a volkl karma or a salomon foil would probably do... can you select me a ski please? (back up with facts/personal experiance)

Sep 7 2006 1:51AM
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freezed
Posts: 12973 - Karma: 500
Seth Vicious perhaps. I haven't personally skied them, so I can't tell you how soft they would be for sure. Scratch BCs are a good bet too. They are stiff enough to do real skiing and be stable going fast, but they are very nice in the park too. Rossi stuff is durable too (in my experience.)
Sep 7 2006 2:07AM
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nickmcnutt
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personally, i loved my scratch f/s's, if that helps anything. but they have since died.
Sep 7 2006 2:10AM
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Ryanvdonk
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scratch spayer bc in 182, i have a friend who skis them as his park stick and loves them, and with 90 underfoot they will be good for some pow.
Sep 7 2006 2:20AM
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gregor
Posts: 1069 - Karma: 83
Sprayer BCs are too soft. Last seasons Scratch FS
(concrete ones) were really stable. Like race skis and more stable than this years. And 84 underfoot means they're ok in powder but not good for really deep stuff.
I reckon they're the best do everything ski along with the Karma.
Sep 7 2006 7:22AM
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Burrito
Posts: 1864 - Karma: 930
Karma, Scratch BC, Seth, or Big Trouble.  Karmas are the highest quality on that list but may be too stiff for a 150 pounder.  Scratch BCs may be too soft, depending on how you ski.  I've never ridden Seths.  And Big Troubles are basically bigger, stiffer Troublemakers, my favorite ski ever (tons of pop and incredibly quick edge to edge.)
Sep 7 2006 8:20AM
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D-40
Posts: 6050 - Karma: 100
jeeze why dont you get spanzizored..then yo udont got to worry about the rich part durr

but if i were you i would go with the scratch bcs, at least by the review that freeskier gave them, they are exactly what you are looking for
Sep 7 2006 8:23AM
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XXL_Steeze
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Maybe MSP's? they rule in everything.
Sep 7 2006 9:19AM
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iskindiana
Posts: 1149 - Karma: 19
all i have to say is Foils are super soft... like ramen noodle soft and Karmas are stiff.

Id say those BC sprayers would be a dope choice. everyone is riding wide park skis these days.

The BC sprayers have same flex as older scratches while the new scratch FS/BC have a stiffer flex pattern and new specs.
Sep 7 2006 9:48AM
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titsLOL
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yea I'd go fatter like everyone is sayin, either scratch BC (which freeskier really dug) or seth, or if you dont want quite so fat msp, but that might be pretty stiff for you. Personally if I lived in whistler and wanted a one ski quiver I'd get scratch BC. Seth has a skinnier tail so it would float better, but for park the BCs fatter tail would be more stable.
Sep 7 2006 10:46AM
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Triple_Strum
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yes, it is simple. If you want stiff: Karma or Big Trouble. If you want soft to medium: sprayer BC, vicious, or foil.

Personally, I would go with the Vicious or Karma, although the BT has a ton to offer too if you like a damp ski
Sep 7 2006 10:49AM
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titsLOL
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doesn't whistler get like 30 feet of snowfall a year or somethin? If you mounted karmas far enough back to be fun in pow they'd suck for park. I'd get somethin fat enough to ski in pow without mountin too far back
Sep 7 2006 10:51AM
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FUUUCK
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you dont know the definition of noodle


i recomend the karma, i skiied on the Foil last year and it didnt impress me.
Sep 7 2006 11:28AM
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Aenigma
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That would be a bad snow year at Whistler.

But as for the skis, I'd get a 185 Karma if I was you. But you also said you wanted something shorter so maybe you'd like the 177 better. I've found the Karma to be a really nice do-everything ski, I would have gotten them myself but I spend about 2 hours a season in the park so I decided to go stiffer. You also might want to check out the Scratch BC's like other people have said, those are also a super fun ski that would be a bit wider (98 underfoot?).
Sep 7 2006 12:07PM
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bpalmer
Posts: 2408 - Karma: 93
this isn't even fair. MR foil versus SIR karma. of course the knight will win.


in all seriousness, i strongly preferred the karma over the foil, and i do much of the same type of skiing that you do.
Sep 7 2006 12:18PM
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MarkieR
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karmas are sweet, but i am very partial to foils. those skis are sooooo sick. the 182 rules everything. buttttttt since you ski in whistler, i wouldn't recommend either. i'd for sure go with something more freeski oriented like the salomon gun, the k2 seth or ak enemy, the rossi scratch bc, or the 4frnt msp. out of those, the k2 seth and the msp are my favs. seths run shit everywhere and so do msps. they're both really stable at speed, they have good float in pow, and they kill it in the park.
Sep 7 2006 12:25PM
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titsLOL
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don't even mention bad snow years at whistlers, i went during their worst season in like the last million years. literally. 04/05 i think it was. what a boner
Sep 7 2006 12:32PM
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wrenegade
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If you ski at whistler, there is no way you should have a one ski quiver under 95mm in the waist. Even if you ski lots of park. Top choices would be 185 ARV, 179 Vicious (possibly 189, depends if you think you will gain some weight), 185 scratch bc. In that order.
Sep 7 2006 2:07PM
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wrenegade
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sorry, that should have read 90mm waist.
Sep 7 2006 2:10PM
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Ryanvdonk
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he's only 150, tey will be fine, if you want something stiffer you could try and find some old scratch BCs (04/05 annd earlier), they were the same footprint as the sprayer BC is.
Sep 7 2006 2:57PM
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chrismoJBEATS
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yea i was gunna say scratch fs but um......hum.....lets see, the foil got great reviews in powder and freeskier, and i cant remember about the karma but my karma is feeling they did good, actualy now that i sit here and think bout it they were rated as a great all mtn and park ski, same with foil tho .....
Sep 7 2006 3:01PM
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HiTz
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i have the karma and use it all over amazing 1 ski quiver...but i did demo the seth's and they r an amazing ski too...id go wit the seths
Sep 7 2006 3:17PM
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TWoods
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other 1 ski quiver skis to check out:

Seth Pistol, Seth Vicious, Armada ARV, Ninthward Firstblood, or 4frnt MSP

you should get something that is at least 90 in the waist inf you live in whistler, and get them mounted about 3 back from center.
Sep 7 2006 3:30PM
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Luc.
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yeh but i believe that the karma is the more east coast do it all ski...and the seth is the west coast do it all ski...-actually nomensteven said that to me about 2 weeks ago...so really he said that/
Sep 7 2006 4:01PM
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deleted4
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foils are much lighter...so if u want lgihter skis go foils
Sep 7 2006 5:36PM
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Skipig25
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Mojo 90
Big Troubles
Karmas
Vicious
ARV

just to throw a few out there. These are all in the 90ish waist range which is perfect, and all on the stiffer side, which is good for actual skiing, going fast, and stability
Sep 7 2006 5:41PM
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squibble
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mojo 90 or the arv, but i think you should get a 2 ski quiver, get some cheap fujis and some pow skis, if your skiing whistler/blackcomb you may as well get some good skis
Sep 7 2006 8:14PM
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squibble
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oh and arvs are not stiff^^ at all
Sep 7 2006 8:15PM
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lyndon
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haha, that was a sick title man, props lol!
Sep 7 2006 9:01PM
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cmeriptahoe
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the karmas are sick. thats all i have to say. but really. im 6'3" and weigh a little more than you. everyone is sayin they are stiff but they really arent that bad. and with the skiing ability you say you have you should be perfectly fine. they are a great one ski quiver ski. great everywhere. wide enough to have fun in pow. solid enough for the groomers. fine in crud. and fine in the park.
Sep 7 2006 9:27PM
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nickmcnutt
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so as far as a 1 ski setup, depending on price, im starting to like the sound of a 90 mm underfoot... but there is a chance that i will get 2 pair, probably a shitty park ski (invader, fujative etc) and a decent pow ski, maybe a jp vs. julein or something of those sorts. thanks for all your reccomendations, keep em' coming!
Sep 7 2006 9:43PM
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Aenigma
Posts: 11256 - Karma: 424
If you're going to do two pairs of skis, get some crappy weiner park skis and then buy some Gotamas. Those are a kick ass powder and all mountain ski that you can ride well on anything except boiler plate ice.
Sep 7 2006 10:06PM
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Ryno
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invader...center mounted
Sep 7 2006 10:18PM
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nickmcnutt
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bumpity bump
Sep 8 2006 9:57PM
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invaderskier36
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thats what im rocking
Sep 8 2006 10:00PM
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skibummer
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Anybody who says a foil is soft has not skied it.
Sep 9 2006 1:24AM
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titsLOL
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^what? have you skied anythin else? even foil lovers will admit that they are soft.
Sep 9 2006 3:08AM
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MarkieR
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you're a retard. foils are not soft at all. especially the new ones. they're pretty goddamn stiff.


but now since you are getting two pairs, get the jj's and get a pair of fuji's or thrusters for park. jj's are the shit, ant's if you were bigger, but jj's will suffice.
Sep 9 2006 5:53AM
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gregor
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Shit missed that he ways 1 gramme. Also forgot about the Big Troubles. They are brilliant in park for their size.
Sep 9 2006 6:14AM
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Mr_Bojangles
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Although I love my Foils and they dominate, for what you're gonna be doing, Foils just won't do. They'd be alright, but there are better options, like the Karmas or Seth's.
Sep 9 2006 7:09AM
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Aenigma
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Depends on what you consider stiff. If you would call a wet noodle stiff, yes. I use the iM103 as the mark for stiff skis, so I'd consider the foils to be about as stiff as an 80 year old man.
Sep 9 2006 12:25PM
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Desjardins
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I would think the karma, becasue im pretty sure it sitffer then the foil, on the other hand the foil is a super good ski for absolutley every where, since your only 150lbs, if i were you, i would go for the foil
Sep 9 2006 1:52PM
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Ryno
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Sep 9 2006 5:41PM
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Mr_Bojangles
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^hahaha!
Sep 9 2006 8:55PM
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JaphyRyder
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I ride 06 foils and im about 155 lbs. I thought they were just stiff enough for solid all mtn riding but really good for park. And the little powder they've seen (east coast reprezent), they floated pretty well. So I would definitely recomend foils, but then again you live on the west coast so..good luck
Sep 9 2006 9:44PM
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Edward.
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karma or msp
Sep 9 2006 10:07PM
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poofartpee
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im going too say karma the edges will last on rails and they are stiffer and the graphics i think are better
Sep 9 2006 11:11PM
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Justo8484
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you live in whistler. you need two skis. its as simple as that. get the invaders for the park (they're sick skis for what they are designed for) and get a pair of seths in a 179 for your all mountain ski. you'll be golden.
Sep 10 2006 1:44AM
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towelcall
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on a scale of 1 to dope, im the fucking man. who gives them self a 5 or 4.5 and needs help with what ski to get. what a homo
Sep 10 2006 12:12PM
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JaphyRyder
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relax, hes just asking our opinion and he told us he already was thinking about getting karmas
Sep 10 2006 1:40PM
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Geonerd
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Karmas 176, no doubt.
Sep 10 2006 3:36PM
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