a flaw with communism.

minor flaws in communism? talk anout major flaws....then again we have major flaws in capitalism..........hmm.....Coupe de tat anyone?

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Yeah I've noticed that myself. I guess the stock obtions just aren't as filling as could be.
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^no shit. But try telling that to a communist and he'll defend his beliefs by quoting Marx and what-not. But I think the thing I've found is a fundamental flaw in the logic of the communist ideal; its something that even communists couldn't deny. Unless of course I'm wrong. Am I wrong, or am I right? Is communism not only failure-prone in practice (as we all know, even though modern-day communists decide to ignore this), but also failure-prone in the promises it makes? Is what it; Marx, promises, intellectually (that is mentally; not in practice) the same as the system of ''Tyrany'' it belives must be overthrown?


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I think that any belief system will always come back to the old saying 'you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours' therefore there will always be bartering if not paying for things, and it all goes back to some vague sense of capitalism. Humans by nature always want something for their efforts.


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i'm not exactly clear what point you're making, and the conclusion that you are trying to reach, but i'll attempt to add something of relevance.

owning the means of production, in terms of marxist beliefs, as far as i understand it, means owning the actual tools that are used to produce goods and services. the public ownership of a corporation is a different notion.. this is where i become lost.. i don't see how you are linking the capitalist system of public ownership with the communist system, and then concluding that you have found some fundamental flaw in socialist reasoning? ..can you clarify?

communism can lick my wang! it's the most stupid form of society in existance! human nature is to always advance oneself and compete with others! communism doesn't let you do that!





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The matter of comparing Communism with Capitalism is just a secondary thing that came up. Never mind that, its just anti-commie slander.

My main point is that the communist concept of ownership of the means of production is flawed. They (and others) believe that by creating a society where the workers, not the upper-class, own the means of production, frees the workers. I (and most other non-communists) believe it doesn't. This belief that ownership of produced goods is a neccessity to proper human life comes from a liberal understanding of labour. An example of which is a gardener working at a rich estate, a gardener, whom owes the garden more than his employer ever will because he puts more of himself into it. It is the statisfaction of making something with one's own hands. However, in a situation where a factory worker is a member of a Co-op which owns the factory in which he works is different because the factory worker, while owing the means of production, that is a share in the company in which his interests are invested in, sells the product of his labour, and hence he still receives nothing for his work. And he would have no means or entitlement to the physical product, as it would be both useless to him, and also entitled to all the other factory workers. By owing the means of production, the worker is only entitled to a higher salary, and he does not recieve anything of value to him through his labour; he does not recieve the fruit, only a higher profit from selling the friut. So he is still enslaved because of the nature of what he does, work for a Co-op owned factory. He controls the means of production, yet it is of not benifit to his humanity; the missing link in the communists search for wholeness amongst the workers.

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well, isn't that just the fundamental flaw in marxism - that the proletariat is destined to be exploited by the bourgeoisie?

Communism does not and has never exested. it is Socalism that we stupid americans call communism.

in communism there is no money what so ever. in communism you just do your job. you don't get paid. everyone just does there job and so everyone gets what they want. everything is bassically free as long as you do your job although is it like socualism in that the goverment tells you what you can and can't have.


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Sweetcoz I think that's the flaw in capitalism. I think the flaw in Communism is that the Prolatarian are destained to be exploited by their leaders, the new elite that simplily replaced the bourgeois.

And no money in Communist countries eh? Indeed. Any they call socialism a utopian ideal.

But communism never sought to free the workers, only pacify them with the illusion that they were there own bosses. So why then can't modern day communists see this?
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY TO DATE! What you and most people call Comunism is really simply socualism!


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china actually monitors what people look at on the internet and they can be arrested for looking at the wrong things. They've also blocked search engines such as google.

MINOR FLAW? it relies on the common good of people, and you found a minor flaw?


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by the way, communism and socialism have one huge difference. equal vs. equitable


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basically i think what tak is trying to say is:
communism doesn't deal with the fact that it is human nature to strive to succeed and be better than the next guy in line. There is no social mobility and no rewards for those that work harder than others. You do your job to eat*, if you work harder you still get the same thing to eat. There is nothing to drive people to work harder. Which is only a minor flaw until people within the system realize it.

*eat, metaphorically= rewards, salary, success, whatever

correct me if i'm wrong.
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communism seems to work very well in cuba, because there is so little greed. This is from a guy that used to travel there a lot.


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