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Drail
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if you have not seen donny darko than i warn you - read no further. (i seriously mean it... you must go into this movie as a first timer knowing as little as possible - all you must know is that it will make you think - now stop reading!)

now for the rest of you... can anyone actually explain what happens in the movie? i've seen it a few times now and i'm starting to put it togeather... but one thing that is bugging me that I can't understand is: did donnie's girlfriend and the chineese chick have any link to one another? why did donnie tell her that everything will work for her in the end? and what was up with the book she had with his name on it? did she just have a big obsession with him and we were just suposed to assume that he knew and was just comferting her?

donnie darko - we found out he was a savior at the end of the movie. he saved his family and girlfriend from death as well as keeping inoccent teachers (farmer) from getting humiliated... all for just taking his own life. or was he crazy and the whole movie was just in his mind?

what did the sphere's comming out of the people have to do with it? were they the set paths of humans that god has pre-determined and they control the people's actions by moving and acting moments before the people?

i wish the movie had a better ending (like if donnie had of talked to grandma death for instance)... but it's almost better that the movie ended this way - it leaves you scratching your head... and it was a happy ending.

aside from the questioning of the movie - it was an amazing video. the soundtrack was amazing and fit the scene's perfectly making the emotions of the charactors and vibe of the scene clear. the editing (like when donnie walked into the school in slow-mo for the first time) kicked ass, and the acting in it was amazing too. all around good movie that included many good questions, (time travel, religion, life)

what did everyone get out of the movie?

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Apr 19 2003 12:03AM
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canonrider
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the reason that jim cunnigham was exposed as a monster was to show that what donnie was doing was heroic, almost everything he did was to help everyone around him at the cost of what it might do to him.

Also i was watching it, and when donnie first meets gretchen, he says he is writing and drawing, and that in the future he wants to write a book and draw the pictures in it, and thats exactly what grandma death did, she wrote the philosophy of time travel and drew all those pictures, so maybe grandma death had the same mission that donnie had when she was younger while she was still a teacher, then all the things that happened to donnie happened to her, she wrote the book on it, and her fate, instead of death which was donnies fate, was to become a paranoid schizophrenic, a total recluse...

sorry that was a rant

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Jul 30 2003 4:58PM
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Jibtech
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I'm just glad that Mike Hunt payed a visit to ratemypoo.com

I think someone mentioned it before but its worth mentioning again, for those of you without the DVD: www.donniedarko.com is somewhat helpful in understanding things.
Jul 31 2003 4:38AM
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lineskier10
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if the house was burned down or not and if miss cunningham was on the plane the plane still would have been there to send the engine through the time portal but he did it to counteract the good thing that was happening that night, in every day there should be an equal number of good things to bad thing and they usually happen near each other in the day, so every bad thing is counteracted by a good thing and vice versa
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Aug 4 2003 7:11AM
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oh yeah go to donniedarko.com, it explains a lot
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ThisAngelicRage
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This thread has rekindled my love for Donnie Darko, I didn't have a hard time understanding it the first time I watched but the second time through my understanding was much more thorough. The site is awesome.




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Aug 5 2003 10:48AM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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that's the great thing about this movie. there are so many different ways of looking at it, none of which are completely wrong (well you know what I mean)

here's the 'philosophy of time travel' book by Sparrow.

In it you'll see that donnie who was the living reciever (and whos duty it was to set the world straight) had super powers, only by bringing the plane engine (artifact) into the same place as it first jumped back in time will the tangent universe re-link with the original universe. Every event is of signifigance to him bringing the engine back to that place. if one of them didn't happen then donnie wouldn't be in the same position as he was in the end of the movie, the engine wouldn't have crashed through his roof the second time and the tangent timeline that he lived in for 28 days would have been destroyed.

'If a person dies within the Tangent Dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct.

The Fourth Dimensional Construct is made of Water.

The Manipulated Dead will often set an Ensurance Trap for the Living Receiver to ensure that the Artifact is returned safely to the Primary Universe.

If the Ensurance Trap is succesful, the Living Receiver is left with no choice but to use his Fourth Dimensional Power to send the Artifact back in time into the Primary Universe before the Black Hole collapses upon itself.'

The part that's really open to interpretation is the end, right before donnie dies. Had he already brought back the engine and was he back in his bed from the beginning of the movie? or was he sitting there in the tangent world knowing he was about to save the world from distruction?

After you read the 'book' it explains most of it. but you have to see it again after it's completely explained, you'll notice things if you remember that donnie has the power to control water and etc.
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Aug 7 2003 10:30AM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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yeah I think you're right ben, it would really explain why she is the way she is, if she was in the same position donnie was and it scarred her for life. the book says 'Those who do remember the Journey are often overcome with profound remorse for the regretful actions buried within their Dreams, the only physical evidence buried within the Artifact itself; all that remains from the lost world. '
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Aug 7 2003 10:41AM
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canonrider
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yea good stuff, everyone should read that site that mike just put up, it explains a bunch

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Aug 7 2003 3:54PM
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ThisAngelicRage
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On a side note- I just watched agian this afternoon and noticed that the scene towards the end when he drives with gretchen, well I think he's at the same place where the movie starts with him sleeping in the road, which kind of ties things together and makes sense to me




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Aug 8 2003 9:55PM
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canonrider
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yea for sure, and look at the first episode of the 'fear' video, jim cunnigham hugs a young boy then grabs his ass, its crazy you gotta look for it

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Aug 8 2003 10:01PM
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Mike-O
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Yeah I noticed Cunnigham's ass grabbing now.

Everything is clear to me now,everything,EXCEPT the deal with the engine being sent BACK to it's PROPER timeline. This I don't get. It stil falls into Donnie's house but the fact that Donnie dies,is that what makes the Tangent universe not to appear? 'cos I read that book,and it had a reference about a mayan indian being killed by an arrowhead,but no army in sight,and an medieval knight getting stabbed by his own sword that he hadn't even built yet.. So every hero dies i guess..
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Aug 10 2003 11:08AM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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well, the event of the engine falling isn't necessarily related to his house that's just where it happens to fall. The tangent universe occurs because the engine 'appears' so the only way to make the tangent universe end before it 'self destructs' is to send it back and make the event occur again, when the airplane flys into the vortex thing that's the event. if you think about it like a string there's the main sting and then all of a sudden another one is tied to it, the only way to not disrupt the main string and create one singular string or universe is to loop it back around so that it's tied in the same spot that it began from, creating the event that caused the tangent string to begin in the first place is the only way to keep order.

I've thought about this way too much.
-Mike

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Aug 11 2003 6:30AM
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EastCoastPride
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For the guy who asked what that place with al the 'filing cabinets,' water, and sky was... it's a portal that Frank opens for him... it's the hallway of his school. The 'filing cabinets' are lockers. That's how he can travel so quickly.


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Aug 13 2003 3:34AM
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GOD Is Awesome!!


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Aug 13 2003 2:02PM
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Ds91260
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yea i noticed that shirt^, i got a lot of things out of this movie, like how fucked up people are, like the gym teacher, and of course cunningham, and all the shit about how people act and are, like donnies buddies talkin about smurfette, only guys, but yea, way good movie, im definetly going to see it again to understand all the stuff in it, way to much to take in in one viewing
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Aug 23 2003 8:03AM
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all these messages really helped me understand the movie. I think I almost got all of it.



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Sep 7 2003 2:56AM
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skierdudeguy
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i watched it for the first time last night. why is he laying in the road with a bike? is it the sleep walking thing?



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Feb 21 2004 7:16PM
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Mike-O
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Yeah it's probably the sleep walking thing. But by the look on his face,it's like....he knows everything what's going to happen,cause he has that smirk: 'Hey,that was a crazy dream...it felt so real...' Anyone else notice this?
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Feb 23 2004 4:54AM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Ok. first of all... The fat guy in the orange jump suit is a guy from the FAA. He is follwowing them for some reason.


Now, the first big revelation I've had on this movie in years, and what everyone is wondering about is how can donnie get the engine back to its proper timeline if the engine still falls right?
Well think about it. When it happened the first time, they didn't know where it came from right? because that plane hadn't flown over his house until the future! That engine fell from the future... It came from a plane that was flying over his house in 28 days, or whatever it is...
So he has to make sure that that plane has to fly over his house once again and the engine has to fall on him again, but this time he needs to die so everything can get back into the proper timeline.

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Mar 19 2004 9:49PM
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Insomniac
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I still dont get how that puts everything back in the right timeline?



'Today i took a bus back home from town and this guy comes to sit next to me and he was so on pills or whatever.. anyways he pulls up a bag of pills and asks me do i want to get wasted and im like 'no thanks'.. so he looks a bit mad and puts the bag away, next he pulls up a box of chocolate-chip cookies and asks: Do ya atleast wanna have a fucking cookie' ' -Pekkis

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Mar 22 2004 9:46PM
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Insomniac
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and i cant navigate donniedarko.com for my life.



'Today i took a bus back home from town and this guy comes to sit next to me and he was so on pills or whatever.. anyways he pulls up a bag of pills and asks me do i want to get wasted and im like 'no thanks'.. so he looks a bit mad and puts the bag away, next he pulls up a box of chocolate-chip cookies and asks: Do ya atleast wanna have a fucking cookie' ' -Pekkis

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Mar 22 2004 9:57PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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kuz he was supposed to die, and he didnt. so everyone else died and got fucked up instead like Gretchen and Frank and a whole bunch of other people.
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Mar 22 2004 10:11PM
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and kuz he left God's path.
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Mar 22 2004 10:11PM
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Insomniac
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ok. and is there any signifagance with the ear muffs?



'Today i took a bus back home from town and this guy comes to sit next to me and he was so on pills or whatever.. anyways he pulls up a bag of pills and asks me do i want to get wasted and im like 'no thanks'.. so he looks a bit mad and puts the bag away, next he pulls up a box of chocolate-chip cookies and asks: Do ya atleast wanna have a fucking cookie' ' -Pekkis

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Mar 23 2004 3:12PM
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petek
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i thought the scientific aspect of it was naively done to say the least.

I thought that the ending would have been much better if the impailed donnie darko started talking to frank, and how it was actually a cycle.

The movie i think was done as a form of art. Beautiful scenes in it, and i cant wait to see some more of his films.
I loved the Celar Door scene, as well as donnies first kiss with his gf. Every scene with farmer was significant, and another good scene was with his physics teacher.

Those liquid spears are actually hypothesized to exist.


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Mar 23 2004 9:30PM
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I don't understand the signifigance of cellar door, i already went through the commentary and stuff and i still don't get it,
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Mar 23 2004 9:36PM
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obviously other than the fact that he went through roberta sparrow's cellar door
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Mar 23 2004 9:38PM
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Big_Air_Smite
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Man, that movie is warping. I'm so engrossed in working it out, masterpiece. It was never so big here, but it's a killer movie. Good stuff. I'm beginning to piece things together.
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Mar 25 2004 8:28PM
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petek
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Thats the point of Cellar Door, there is no point to it, and thats art. Its the most artistic scene in the movie. I mean, who could else could write that, and make it seem serious. If you want examples of it in other movies, than in 'barbarian invasions' there is quite a few, in fact maybe the whole movie is.


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Mar 25 2004 9:13PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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There's a HUGE point to it. Celler door is where he goes in order to kill Frank. If that doesnt happen and if Gretchyn doesnt die, then he wouldnt have been able to return the engine.
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Mar 25 2004 9:57PM
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lagwagon
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noonecan understand that movie, if they do, they just think theydo, the producer/writer said he doesnt even understand it.
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Mar 26 2004 2:09AM
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BigRich
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So whats the point of frank being there?
Mar 29 2004 12:27PM
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Insomniac
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to tell donnie what to do so that he can return to engine to its right path. i think.



'Today i took a bus back home from town and this guy comes to sit next to me and he was so on pills or whatever.. anyways he pulls up a bag of pills and asks me do i want to get wasted and im like 'no thanks'.. so he looks a bit mad and puts the bag away, next he pulls up a box of chocolate-chip cookies and asks: Do ya atleast wanna have a fucking cookie' ' -Pekkis

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Mar 29 2004 3:25PM
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^But is that the right path? I dont know, i dont believe anyone does. Maybe the original path was intended as the right path, Donnie just fucked everything up.


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Mar 29 2004 4:28PM
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Insomniac
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Ok, scratch that. I can navigate donniedarko.com. I kept puting gretchen for level 1 when it shouldve been Sparrow. I watched this movie again and I dont understand how all the people come back to life? or does donnie just go back to the start? and if so, how does he get back in time? does it just happen? im so confused.



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'Today i took a bus back home from town and this guy comes to sit next to me and he was so on pills or whatever.. anyways he pulls up a bag of pills and asks me do i want to get wasted and im like 'no thanks'.. so he looks a bit mad and puts the bag away, next he pulls up a box of chocolate-chip cookies and asks: Do ya atleast wanna have a fucking cookie' ' -Pekkis

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Apr 8 2004 9:20PM
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Insomniac
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Where are chapters 3,5,8-11 in that book?



'Today i took a bus back home from town and this guy comes to sit next to me and he was so on pills or whatever.. anyways he pulls up a bag of pills and asks me do i want to get wasted and im like 'no thanks'.. so he looks a bit mad and puts the bag away, next he pulls up a box of chocolate-chip cookies and asks: Do ya atleast wanna have a fucking cookie' ' -Pekkis

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Apr 8 2004 9:45PM
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Insomniac
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Anyone?


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Apr 29 2004 4:38PM
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petek
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for that cellar door thing, i was talking about its introduction, not the actual occurance.



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Apr 29 2004 8:27PM
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Insomniac
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I made my friend watch it, and she watched it twice. And the other day she said she understood it, and i said that there was no way you could understand it in 2 viewings, and she said she did. So i asked what the 'theme' was then. And she said it was 'dont fuck with destiny'. Which i felt was totally wrong and way past the point. So i told her no. and now she hates me. Great fun.


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May 1 2004 9:24AM
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bakerlocal
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wow, that site is actually amazing, probly the most interactive site i have ever seen, very intuitivly put together.




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May 2 2004 9:32PM
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teresak2
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i just watched the movie. what a mind fuck. i wish i was that creative to put together such a imaginative and genious plot. i need to go watch it again. im still in a slightly confused state.


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Jul 8 2004 4:09PM
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creighton
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does the smurf thing relate to anyhting? i cant tell if its supposed to go along with somethign else happening
Apr 18 2006 9:28PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Exactly, Donnie fucked it up. It's about God's path. Donnie somehow got outside of God's path and then created the tangeant universe, where all these bad things started happening. Eventually, the whole universe would have imploded, killing everyone in it. Donnie saved them by getting back on God's path. Thats why there's the whole thing with the shrink, talking about God and agnostics and atheists and all that. And why Grandma Death knew what was going on, because she had left God's path before too, hence the whole 'everybody dies alone' part.
Apr 19 2006 4:28PM
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mattyb.
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im gunna bump this b.c. the movie was so sick
Apr 25 2006 8:32PM
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Billups07
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i wrote a paper about this movie for my college english class. my teacher loved it.
Apr 26 2006 2:12AM
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.David.
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^post it yo. I'd like to read it.
Apr 26 2006 2:23AM
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mattyb.
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i got a question on a part i was confused on. when he went tot he cellar door did he realize all that was going to happen? why did he go there? what was he looking for. i gotta watch it again....
Apr 26 2006 5:28AM
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