4frnt bindings

Posts: 454 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 454

Ridiculous

^ keep telling yourself that moron.

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 1078 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 1078

Insane

haha seanpistol...you are funny, i liked that comment there man...maybe you should read a little bit more into things before you post retarded shit like that, which eventually is going to make you look like an incompitent moron...they're made by the swiss (i believe) company Vist...they're supposed to be bombproof as hell...only thing bad about them is the price from what i've heard

19 years ago

0 0

johanblaze

Posts: 4987 - Karma: 345

Karma: 345

Posts: 4987

No Life

hey there douchebag... vist/nordica/4frnt... same fucking thing! it's crazy how the nordica bindings were such garbage they never sold, and now they've got a new fucking paintjob and suddenly they're "core and super solid". no matter who's name is on them, they're still going to suck fat donkey cock.

so... go ahead, suck 4frnts dick and py $350 for a pair. have a good fucking time on them, but next time before you start posting stupid shit, get a little info and know what the fuck you're trying to say.

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 1078 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 1078

Insane

hey spaz job...i can't say i've ever seen the 4frnt/vist design of binding with the nordica name on it...if you can show me that you're right and im wrong...fuck, props to ya buddy

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 3819 - Karma: 79

Karma: 79

Posts: 3819

Addict

Well I CAN say I saw a freind of mine who rides for 4frnt rocking Vist before 4frnt started paying em to put there graphics on them.... and they blew then like they blow now. As did the nordica bindings that where EXACTLY the same. People claim light bindings are good..... NAH, if there light that means there made with plastic, plastic breaks, when your bindings break, you blow out your knees. If the bindings where good people would have been using them BEFORE they where "4frnts". p18's kids there is NO alternative.
Why would you buy bindings from a company that makes shitty skis? Have we not learned anything from the whole LINE disaster?

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 1078 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 1078

Insane

yea nordica was based off of, or fucking close to marker...thats what i was thinking, wasn't sure though...and about the whole line ski analogy back there buddy...they're bindings did, and still do blow ass...because they were fully constructed of plastic almost...but in no way do their skis suck...and yea, p18's are for sure the way to go...good ass shit, as long as you go race stock...

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 3819 - Karma: 79

Karma: 79

Posts: 3819

Addict

FKS 155

19 years ago

0 0

johanblaze

Posts: 4987 - Karma: 345

Karma: 345

Posts: 4987

No Life

not that i need to prove myself...

nordica axis from 02/03

4frnt deadbolt from 05/06

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 1078 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 1078

Insane

well fuck me running...my bad bro...

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 3819 - Karma: 79

Karma: 79

Posts: 3819

Addict

nah, never

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 454 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 454

Ridiculous

Listen up, know-it-alls, 4FRNT's binding was originally designed by Nordica and was based off nothing except Nordica's original design (I don't know where you guys get this Marker connection, such bullshit).

The binding worked very, very well and had good test results. In fact, it beat out some companies that would make you very surprised.

What didn't work, was the ski/binding "system", or connection, Nordica was trying to implement. For those of you who don't remember, this was called Synergy. It was a faulty connection to the ski, and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fundemental mechanics of the binding.

While Nordica was trying to improve the Synergy system, they were bought by the Tecnica group, which, at the time, owned Marker bindings as well. Rather than continue with the Synergy experiment, Tecnica axed Nordica's binding program (which cost Nordica mucho, MUCHO dinero in R&D), and simply started using a Marker system on all Nordica's skis to improve Marker's market share.

VIST, which had been working closely with Nordica on their World Cup program, then bought the rights to the Nordica binding and began designing beefier versions for W.C. use. These bindings were highly successful.

4frnt, wanting to expand into the binding market, but having the common sense not to try and design a binding from scratch, was looking for proven technology, that could be tweaked to suite freeskiing. VIST had virtually no marketshare in North America, and decided to partner up with 4frnt to produce the Deadbolts.

The Deadbolts ARE different. VIST has worked very closely with the boys at 4frnt on perfecting an already outstanding binding. It's not a paint job, haters. It's a solid piece of equipment with proven technology that works.

One example:
Take the different 4frnt models - the 412, 614, and 816 (the names obviously referring to the DIN range of each model). The 412 and 614 are produced using the exact same chassis as the 816 team/"race stock" binding. What this means is each binding is constructed with the same metal components that make high DIN bindings so attractive and durble. No mas plastic. So you if you weigh 125 lbs., you don't have to get a binding whose DIN goes from 8-16 (which will rip your legs off) just to reap the benefits of the metal used in race stock bindings. Each binding is the same, except the spring ratio. Make sense?

You find me a binding company who has a 12 DIN binding that uses the exact same chassis as their race stock model, and I'll stick a banana in my ass.

That's the deal. And any other "theories" are bullshit.

19 years ago

0 0

Tha_Grouch

Posts: 2217 - Karma: 28

Karma: 28

Posts: 2217

Addict

$350 eh? It seems to me that they are like $269.. and I haven't heard of a single one breaking. Sooo, I don't understand the hate here. Its not a shit binding.

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 1078 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 1078

Insane

o fuck me!! one pro (that doesn't ride for 4frnt) said he doesn't like them...i wonder why!!!! worst excuse i've evr fucking heard...i'm either buying these or a pair of old look p18's...strength and reliablity are the biggest issues behind bindings...not paint, not weight...

19 years ago

0 0

Uncle_Remus

Posts: 1880 - Karma: 368

Karma: 368

Posts: 1880

Insane

rossigonl fks 185 & 120

http://www.untracked.com/highlight-177121.html

http://www.untracked.com/highlight-177119.html

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 454 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 454

Ridiculous

^wrong.

19 years ago

0 0

qazplm341

Posts: 196 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 196

Pro

the 120's toe piece is the p12/px12 toe piece so its plastic. i think (not sure) that there is more plastic in the heel as well. the 120 is supposed to be a kids race binding.

19 years ago

0 0

.[sanhedrin].

Posts: 1657 - Karma: 941

Karma: 941

Posts: 1657

Insane

Sean just owned you tools, good work man.

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 454 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 454

Ridiculous

^Wrong again.

19 years ago

0 0

SkiingNinja

Posts: 1975 - Karma: 947

Karma: 947

Posts: 1975

Insane

you seem to know a lot about bindings so are rossi bindings the same as looks?

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 454 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 454

Ridiculous

For all intensive purposes...YES.

19 years ago

0 0

Tha_Grouch

Posts: 2217 - Karma: 28

Karma: 28

Posts: 2217

Addict

For all you dumb asses on here. Jfuller knows more about bindings than any of you. I believe he used to work for 4frnt..(am I wrong?) oh and he will crush you with his fury!!

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 3819 - Karma: 79

Karma: 79

Posts: 3819

Addict

Well, that would explain why hes all about there shitty bindings then eh? I'll stick to my NEVER HAD A PROBLEM p18's

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 1078 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 1078

Insane

dude i've been riding look for 3 seasons now...same pairs...beat the SHIT out of htem and im not a small guy...can't say i've ever had a problem with them at all...dunno what you're huff puffin about

19 years ago

0 0

Ryanvdonk

Posts: 12811 - Karma: 1,972

Karma: 1,972

Posts: 12811

Crazy Fool

so now the question is, if i were to find an old pair of synergies, would they be as bury as the 4frnts, and would i be able to use the 4frnt wide brade cause they didn't come with one.

19 years ago

0 0

Posts: 454 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 454

Ridiculous

^No, they wouldn't. And yes, 4frnt's wide brake would work with them.

19 years ago

0 0

Jeff_Lo

Posts: 5809 - Karma: 263

Karma: 263

Posts: 5809

No Life

i work at a shop, and i have seen nordica bindings come in that looked like vists, and did my research and were the same bindings, atleast in appearance and from what research indicated, and that came from talking to reps and from calling the companies, i cant say whether the binding is good or bad, i've never used it but have heard good reviews

19 years ago

0 0

ijibgoremtn

Posts: 4221 - Karma: 13

Karma: 13

Posts: 4221

No Life

ok i paid 199 for them which is kinda high but they are completely worth it

19 years ago

0 0

Bluwax

Posts: 3 - Karma: 10

Karma: 10

Posts: 3

Newb

I'm using and selling Vist bindings since 3 years, my lasts are V614 Harlekin on 07 Gotamas in 197 used in full conditions, no problem they work great with their big Teflon plate. Some people had problems with smallest models (V311, V412) that were releasing a bit too easily apparently, a bit like Spherics. V816 have a backward release lock that is great for FS and FSBC, i really think Vist makes great bindings for freeskiing.
It's years Vist is making these and selling bindings for other manufacturers, it's easy as you can easily change the shells yourself and they just have to make new shells with manufacturers' names on it : Amplid, Stockli, Movement, Lacroix, Nava, etc... Check their website (http://www.vist.it/html/en/partners_bindings.php?p=19)and see the number of "partners". Recently there was Nordica in this part so maybe Nordica was provided by Vist and not the contrary... It's what i think !
FKS are not using the same frame that Axial bindings... The proof is... FKS Are perfect and and Axials are just useless fake plastic things.

19 years ago

0 0

titsLOL

Posts: 7485 - Karma: 396

Karma: 396

Posts: 7485

Crazy Fool

wow looks like the nordicas and 4frnt are indeed the same design, which was kinda obvious by looking at them, but they probably are actually identical. The white and blue vist bindings look schweet.

and axials are fine bindings man I had look p10s for two years and nothing broke on them, I have axial 100s or whatever on my urbans which are working great, and I just got some axial power 140s and I haven't skied them yet but they look pretty solid. dont be such a binding snob you dont NEED racestock bindings unless you wanna hit them with a hammer or somethin. Or you are a crazy big mountain skier and need the din.

19 years ago

0 0