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Way to go Pat! The pussy's scared of Timmy!!!!

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Yes, Icerider, the US could survive on it's own, but the standard of living would be drasticly reduced.

And about the EU, consider two things: The rise of the Euro, and the standard of living in countries such as Norway and Sweden.

The US dollar, as I understand it, has been falling for a long time. And the US's foriegn 'policy' doesn't afford them many friends. Not many smart or even mildly informed friends either.


Now the facts began:

U.S.A.
population:280,562,489 (July 2002 est.)
purchasing power parity - $10.082 trillion (2001 est.)
GDP/capita - $36,300 usd (2001 est)
Population below poverty line: 13% (2001 est.)
Debt (external) - $862 billion (1995 est.)

France
Population: 59,765,983 (July 2002 est.)
GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.54 trillion (2002 est.)
GDP/capita - purchasing power parity - $25,700 (2002 est.)
Debt(external) : $106 billion (1998)

Sweden
Population - 8,876,744 (July 2002 est.)
GDP - purchasing power parity - $227.4 billion (2002 est.)
GDP/capita - purchasing power parity - $25,400 (2002 est.)
Debt (external) - $66.5 billion (1994)

Japan
population: 126,974,628 (July 2002 est.)
GDP - purchasing power parity - $3.55 trillion (2002 est.)
GDP/capita: purchasing power parity - $28,000 (2002 est.)

Iraq
population: 24,001,816 (July 2002 est.)
GDP: purchasing power parity - $59 billion (2001 est.)
GDP/capita: purchasing power parity - $2,500 (2001 est.)
Debt (external): $62.2 billion (2001 est.)
Exports (commodities): crude oil (94% +)
Exports (partners):US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)
Imports (commodities): food, medicine, manufactures
Imports (partners): France 22.5%, Australia 22%, China 5.8%, Russia 5.8% (2000)


And how about that SARS, eh?
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Or do your own fucking research.
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the GNP and GDP, I know what the GNP is, what is the GDP, by the numbers it looks as if it is the same thing


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I'm just appalled at what some Americans consider to be true.
I am sometimes speachless because what i see you write down in so ludicrous that I don't even know where to begin... usually I start bursting out laughing. Tim and TAK are completely right.
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what do you think we're wrong about?? how about some examples
Bombing for Peace is like jacking off so you don't rape someone later.

You're sig is one EFCS.-AT?IHASH. And your fucking name.

ANd I have no idea what the GNP is, but the GDP is the Gross Domestic Product.
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Gross National Product?
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my sig is a fucking joke and based on NMK's...
Bombing for Peace is like jacking off so you don't rape someone later.

ok, just wondering, thanks


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'Bombing for Peace is like jacking off so you don't rape someone later' makes no sense man!!!

Let me try to get this straight...
You are bombing Iraq so that you don't rape them later... Is that what you meant, or are you too stupid to even make fun of someone's signature. Haha, Dumbass.
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Thank you TAK and Nine_Milla, good to see that SOME people on this site have an ounce of intelligence.

ECFS, you are a retard, Ice Rider, so are you
Andy, you're smart but you're still just out of high school and don't know anywhere near as much about politics and the way the world works as you think you do. You have an incredibly Americanised opinion and I'm sorry to say it mate but you're actually quite ignorant when it comes to a lot of this stuff.

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Tim, you've made me a VERY angry person. You have NO idea how stupid and ignorant you actually are. Just because I'm 18 and at the end of high school does not mean that I do not know how the world works. I do my research, watch several different news sources (including internet and printed media) read about the past, and even read into different cultures (like the Arab culture.)

You my friend are the ignorant FUCK who comes on here to shoot his mouth off about how bad of a job we're doing. You are the person who comes on here and refused to look at whats going on outside of TV and his own little country. Do you see the streets of Iraq? Read the first person accounts? Hear as the crowds of liberated people cry in joy? How can that be wrong? What are you going to say, that they stage it all? That they are just doing it for the TV camera? That would be the typical ignorant responce to try to push away the obvious.

I am sick and tired of having more and more info supporting my side while you (YOU meaning Tim, lagwagon, Ozemale, Kami (although I like Kami, hes actually smart) and others dispute the info and push it away as propoganda, made up, or misconstrued/taken out of context.

You are the ignorant one. Not myself. Go back into your little hole and jerk off to pictures of Bush with a Hitler (tm) brand moustache.

-Andy

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Andy, I guess you also missed the children with intestines spilling out of their bellies trying to crawl to a hospital, and the fathers wailing in grief after their wives and children were killed by allied bombs.
Its not so much that you are wrong in your accounts, simply that you refuse to acknowledge any other truths.
IGNORANCE!!!
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There are those types of accounts in EVERY WAR. You don't think things like that happened durning the American Revolution? The Civil War? The war of 1812? What about World War 1, 2, Korea, or 'Nam? Why is this one any different from those? Can you dispute the morality of World War 2? I know you can't.
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well Nine_Milla, even though that pain and suffering is so easy to quantify, and its very easy to 'feel' it, yet it is not easy to quantify the joy that no doubt many more Iraqis and feeling at this moment and in the coming years. It is more long term, and lasting, then the pain felt.


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Continuation of above post, was interrupted by IM.

War is a bitch, it always has been, it always will be. However, do you think this is any different than what would have happened if Saddam was in power still? Or even if he passed on, what if one of his overly sadistic sons took power. Hell would have broken loose, Uday, one of the sons, tortures the Iraqi Olympic Althletes if they lose. It was a calculated risk, and VERY FEW CIVILIAN DEATHS compared to other wars resulted. YOu can tell all the grusome stories you want, but a much WORSE catastrophe could of (and would of in my opinions) occured further on down the road.

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Absolutely. I am thrilled to see Iraqis out from under Saddam's regime. However, you must see all sides to this issue. No one will argue against the fact that Saddma is evil and should be ousted. But what about the dozens of other countries where their citizens are suffering worse than in Iraq? No one is there to help them because there is no oil in their country...

And also, Iraqis are NOT happy that Americans are in their country, they are happy that Saddam is gone.
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Is Iraq allowed to send Olympic athletes?
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See! See what I mean? Nothing is ever positive, there is always a *BUT*...


So you're saying, OMG IRAQI WAR IS BAD, but, OMG WE DONT HELP OTHER COUNTRIES... so if Iraqi War = Bad, but its not ok that we dont liberate the other countries

I'm confused and don't see your point whatsoever.
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haha, you should read some human rights reports. Yes, they have Olympics athletes, and if they do not preform well, they are tortured by the Uday, who ran the Iraqi Olympic office. There have been many many stories of Iraqi soccer players and weightlighters who have been tortured for preforming badly.


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I'll link the article, I THINK its an associated press article reported by CNN/Sports Illustrated

Article on Uday


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wow, thats aweful...

Andy, in life there is ALWAYS a 'but'.
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Not necsessarily... buuut.....

nevermind... was going to setup a joke but its 1:30 AM
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^ there it is. andy is so right, all of your responses(tim) include, 'you are ignorant' its like you ahve a one word vocabulary. you use that word too much and you use it as a cover up because andy and icerider speak the truth. andy is 100% correct about the civilian deaths that happen IN EVERY WAR. It is almost impossible to not have a bystandered die in a war, shit happens in war and you can't blame one war that you don't think is right, with the killing of TONS and TONS of innocent people(as you seem to put it although not that many have died yet).

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thanks for the article


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yep, np, and thanks bundo.


We should just have massive games of Battlefield 1942 instead of war... I would own all, of course :-)
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Bundo, 'you are ignorant' is three words, hence making my vocabulary at least larger than that, go back to junior high and stop wasting my time.

Andy, I don't really care if I've made you very angry. You are incredibly opinionated and you leave no room to even start to respect other people's opinons. Basically you're sitting there with your 'I am right' attitude thinking you're all that, just look your signature 'I am God...' 'nuff said.

And yes Andy, yes you are ignorant. And sure you may know quite a bit about what's going on but it's all biased, it's all what the media has given you and just so you're actually aware, New Zealand actually has some of the most non-biased news coverage in the world so don't even TRY and bring that arguement up.

And yes, yes there are civillian and innocent casualties in war, every war. Usually there is also a CAUSE for the war too. This war is an investment, an investment in US interests. You don't give a toss about the oppressed. If you did you'd have done this years and years ago and in places that need it more. What about the Dominican Republic, Columbia, North Korea, where were you when Pol Pot was letting hell loose? Oh wait, there were no US interests at stake there, interesting don't you think?

So there you are, I am not ignorant at all. I actually understand and consider all sides of my arguements before I choose a stance on it, I have researched and thought through the US state-of-mind on this issue many times and have decided that it's bollocks. You however seem to just lap it up and think you're the bee's knees, get the fuck over yourself Andy.

Oh and just so you know, I'm a semester out from finishing a degree in International management and marketing so I think I'm going to know somewhat a lot more than you when it comes to politics, international relations and foreign affairs.


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No matter what we say, it will always be 'America is the princess of the world' to you guys.
Pol Pot killed 30% of his entire popluation in Cambodia. 30%!!! That would be like if Bush all of a sudden had 69 million people killed in the US, Where was the US then?
You arent there for liberation reasons, you are therefor your own selfish reasons.
Pick whom you replace Saddam with carefully, for you will be fighting him in about 10 years anyways.


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well, there may be more reasons why the US didnt help in Cambodia, but it is true that this nation needs a reward, and to get the reward there needs to be a cause.


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Why does there need to be a reward in order to liberate people? You are nothing but mercenaries then.
So in order to be free, people must give you something is that what you;re trying to say? What happened to the idea that everyone deserves to be free? All the arguments for this war just keep contradicting themselves. There are so many holes in your logic, and it amazes me that you cannot see them.
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NO THATS WHAT I AM FUCKING SAYING, the US gov is selfish, that in order to start a war, like with Iraq, theres needs to be a reward, oil.


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you think if there was nothing in it for us that the US would give a shit what happened to the Iraqi people, hell no, our Gov doesnt give a flying fuck what happens to them. But if there is some money to be made, some people to intimidate, and some power to be enforced, hell yeah, the US gov jumps on that shit in a second. So Nine_Milla, are we one the same page.


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oh.. ok. i'm confused, i thought you were with IceRider, Andy and ECFS Attitash or whatever his name is.
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ok. It would be great if the US's main concern was the wellfare of other people. But as it has seemed in the passed, millions of people can be killed and it wouldn't matter to a military powerhouse like us.


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ok. It would be great if the US's main concern was the wellfare of other people. But as it has seemed in the passed, millions of people can be killed and it wouldn't matter to a military powerhouse like us.


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exactly,

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correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have a small awr in cambodia? and somilia? both for humanitarian efforts? grenada was a different story, one that WAS for or intrests, and ti was un-needed. cambodia and somalia on the other hand were needed. North Korea (vietnam) isn't a big problem.

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Tim, you're a fag, enough said, you completely twist words and ignore facts. You probably didn't even READ my post. All of you are like that. Just stop posting on these threads if you're going to be that way. Calling me 'extremely opinionated' would be correct, but what about you? You are absolutely convinced that 'America is Evil' and everything we do is bad, and that everyone in this country is an opinionated ignorant slut. You're fed by the liberal media and activist groups just as badly as you accuse me of being fed by the American 'propaganda machine.' So fuck off.
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The war of 1812. don't even bring that topic up.

But maybe the whole war on Iraq thing is a good example of why we shouldn't choose sides. ''Pro-War''? ''Anti-War''? That's pretty fucking narrow, and confining your belefs into one of two small vessls seems to cause alot of stupid fucking arguements.

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oh.. ok. i'm confused, i thought you were with IceRider, Andy and ECFS Attitash or whatever his name is.



good to see your arguing to piss of people...instead of explaining yourself

trust me, the '' things aren't actually there

um, i know this is a few posts too late, but for the gentle man that asked, the GNP is the gross national product, and it includes all the earnings of citizens of any given country, weather within its boarders, or abroad. the GDP, on the other hand is the gross domestic product, and it accounts for all that is produced within a countries boarders weather by that counties citizens , or by foreigners working in that country...





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i now have taken thie time necisarry to read some of the other repeatitive comments on this subject, and i do recall this post from another thread which seemed to sum things up, at least to me.



its not like there was a choice over what is idealy right to do, and what is realistic... im sure that everyone knows that war isnt 'right' when you look at it out of context... its not like the us is saying that it is a-okay to go and bomb out everwhere... they do it for a few reasons. a)they think it will increase the well being of the nation. they will probably install some government that will be economicly friendly, and they eliminate a factor that they see as a threat, weather you think it is reasonable or not. b) since when did this become about being everyones friend in the world? the govenment of any nation will act to improve that nation, weather it is through war, diplomacy, or clandestine channels... this is how things work. you are overly idealistic to think that countries are going to look out for the good of everyone all the time, especially when it may compromise their nation. essentially it is the duty of a government to look out for their nation in whatever way they see fit. you dont think that france and russia and germany are anti war because they are concerned about the human toll that will be exacted? give me a break. they are just as interested in the economic interests that they had in iraq as we are in the potential there. you think chirac is standing up and trying to swing his veto power because he beleives in the cause? maybe, but it is my undersdtanding that the majority of his time as president was marred by scandal and corruption... what better way to get back in favor with the people of france than to stand up to the americans? his postion is as transparent glass. if the preceeding were not true why are they so keen now to have a say in the rebuiling of iraq? to protect their interests... is there anything wrong with that? no. that is the duty of the german, french and russian governments. to look out for their countries. i dont understand people who think for a second that the base motivation of governments actions is 'how many civilians will die? ' i am sure that is considered, and i am sure that civilain casulties are kept as low as possible, but it will hardly deter actions that are seen as necissary in the larger scheme of things. and i have already posted in some other thread about the claim that terrorist attacks will only increase... there were a handfull of attacks that occured throughout the last ten years or so on american interests that were linked to islamic radical terrorists. none of them occured while the us was at war. all of them required extensive planning, and funding. how can a rouge terrorist get access to the materials necissary to conduct an act like the bombing of an embassy, or the 9/11 attacks? its gotta be tough to do alone. history has shown that all of these types of terror attacks have backing by a highly organized, highly funded organization. this is the aim of the iraqi war as far as protecting our homeland, and our interests overseas. the bottom line is that the terrorist attacks would have continued regardless, unless the trend of the past decade was about to mysteriously change. so in the end, you are right. two wrongs dont make a right, but it may better the condition of the united states. just as any other country is acting in such a way that they feel that their position will be bettered. that is really all there is to it.



can we please stop acting like the u.s. is the bad guy here? as much as i hate to do it, it seems appropriate to quote some anti flag lyrics here, when they said, 'youd do the same, whoa whoa.' all countries are looking out for number 1. themselves. does that make them the states the great satan? aparently so, in some minds, but it has been made clear that the states are not too concerned about taht image, and have other things on the plate to worry about. can we stop playing like the human factor has absolutley anything to do with anything? geez... you gotta be pretty darned nieve to think that that kind of thing is really considered in the larger scheme of things...






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who posted that originally? thats a very very good post.
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me! and im flattered... thankyou... the original can be found in the post 'two wrongs dont make a right'








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This thread is stupid, i mean, why would the US disappear?

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its all theoretical


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