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Ski-hobo
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I had an interesting thought when someone on a thread said, the US is not the center of the world, it really made me think.
Is the US the center of the world?
By no means do I wish to convey that Americans are superior, after all Americans is a term that covers so many different ethnicities and nationalities that is is impossible to name them all.
Think of this? If Panama was wiped cleanly from exsistense, would there be a big problem, no bananas, no cocca, things like that. If Germany was wiped from exsistence thigs would be bad, the money would be gone, the various things that they make and produce, the world would be severly fucked up for a long time, this also goes along with many other countries like Japan, France, Italy, Switzerland, Canada, ect ect.
But if the USA was wiped out cleanly from exsistence what would happen? World chaos? Huge economic depression? Lost science discoveries and medical discoveries, great minds. The impact of the USA loss would be greater than any other nation in the world in the roles that it plays. Same with the Middle East and losing the life blood that is Oil.
So if some ways, yes, the USA is the center of the world. That doesnt mean everything evolves around it.

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Apr 8 2003 4:14PM
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Lateralis
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i love bananas! so panama stays but you do have a point and i somewhat agree with you



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Apr 8 2003 4:17PM
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CrystalineSkier
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yeah, word to that. i love bananas too though, so let's not take out teh panama

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Apr 8 2003 4:20PM
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wrenegade
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obviously not everything revolves around the US, but a lot of things do. And if the middle east disappeared, it would not be close to the impact if the US disappeared. Oil can be found elsewhere


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Apr 8 2003 4:30PM
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wrenegade
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but i do agree with you in most respects


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Apr 8 2003 4:31PM
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Ski-hobo
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yeah

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Apr 8 2003 6:39PM
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Prins
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why did you list the swiss? now to sounds mean but all we get from them are army knifes and pot. both which could be made elsewhere very easily.
Apr 8 2003 7:31PM
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Papa
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i don't think so, i mean ya it would defiantly have a big effect at first, but after a while it wouldn't. The u.s is not the only country that mass produces stuff, in fact most of there stuff isn't made in the country, those products companies may be based in the us the the good are made else where. Also, the u.s has only been a super power for 100 years, before that how did the world get on? with britain and all the other countries, i think the u.s put a huge imbalance in the world economy, so it wouldn't be as bad as you think, other countries would quickly and easily fill the void
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Apr 8 2003 7:34PM
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mikee
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THe world is always led by superpowers. Before it was france and before that england and way before that even the romans ad etc. There will always be superpoweres, but this doesnt mean thy cant fall, and they inherently will over time.
Apr 8 2003 10:28PM
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Apr 8 2003 10:35PM
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^got point and the guy over him too
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Apr 8 2003 10:38PM
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PhattTim
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the thing you have to realise is that America is no longer the world economic power that it used to be. The USA was huge after the second world war because all of Europe was rebuilding while America streaked ahead and got a massive advantage. America was the world economic big boy until about the end of the '70's. Now all of that power is filtering back into Asia and a new United Europe. Another thing you should realise is that very soon America will not be a major player at all. The USA has the largest unbalance between imports and exports of all other countries put together. So basically that means you consume waaaaay more than you produce. This imbalance will eventually collapse the US economy as almost happened in '99 when the greenback entered recession. So yeah, basically unless it gets balanced out, you're fucked. So no, the US is certainly not the center of the world and if it were wiped from the earth, yes, there would be one hell of a chaotic situation. But when things went back to normal it would probably run smoother than before.

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Apr 8 2003 10:38PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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what would go wrong if New Zealand was wiped out? We might lose some deer or something.

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Apr 8 2003 10:50PM
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^hahahahahaha
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Apr 8 2003 10:51PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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phattim...most of those figures dont apply to the major multinational corporations based in the U.S., plus the United States is the world's largest consumer...so the demand for alot of mass produced crap would plummet

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Apr 8 2003 11:10PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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The European Union is a much larger economic block than all of North American put to gether. They will be the next super-power.
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Apr 8 2003 11:20PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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no fucking way...the europeans are always arguing amongst themselves, and the weak economies of the lesser countries will drag the stronger ones down

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Apr 8 2003 11:21PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Do you even know where Europe is?

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are you fucking kidding? you dont think i know where europe is? hah...you are one stupid motherfucker
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Apr 8 2003 11:33PM
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abubboo
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no, there aren't deer in new zealand, we'd lose sheep.
Apr 9 2003 12:05AM
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Prins
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i think that the EU will be a force to realize but they will destory themselves with there constant bickering and complaints.
Apr 9 2003 12:15AM
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Ski-hobo
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well, by itself the US has done quite well, the EU relie on the conglomeration of several diverse economies. But your right about the imbalance of import/export. I just hope we can get out shit straightened out. But for right now for most of this century we have been at the top.

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Apr 9 2003 1:53AM
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Bundo
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what about all the money and shit the US gives other countries in need? what would happen then if the US was gone? bad things.

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Apr 9 2003 2:06AM
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Papa
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no, the us isn't the only country that helps out by giving aid, actually they aren't even one of the top 5 that do so, canada is but the u.s isn't. And the aid companies like red cross are international
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Apr 9 2003 2:07AM
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Bundo
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ummm i'm going to have to say that the US has helped so much. they might not be top 5 now bout how about after ww2. the US has such a huge national debt because they give other countries money and don't make them pay them back.

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Apr 9 2003 2:36AM
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andyrightcoast
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About the EU.. in all seriousness, they could never be the next superpower. They hold FAR too many grudges and old hatred to comply with ANYTHING. Its quite a funny thought though... hah... Europe cooperating...


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Apr 9 2003 3:23AM
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I believe the EU has already surpassed the U.S. in economic power.
I think it happened when I was in grade 11 or 12. I had to do a report on it for Social.
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PhattTim
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Andy, the EU already is the next big World Superpower. How can you say that they still hold old grudges and that they will never unite? They just have! They have a united economy, a united court and judicery system, a united Europe parliament that is gaining more and more power and the EU is expanding every year. Within 5 years it will have easily surpassed the US economy. Within a few years after that, China's economy will also be bigger than that of the United States. Europe will definaltey be the next big world power, along with China and other parts of South East Asia. The combined economy of the EU is already fuckloads bigger than that of the US.

And ECFS-Attitash, you're pretty fucking stupid.

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Apr 9 2003 5:51AM
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They are united, but they still bicker. They could never unite under one government. And how can you compare groups of countries with their own economies to the economy of one country.
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Apr 9 2003 8:25AM
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Pipe_Munky
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the EU is nothing but an economic union. it will never unite under one government because that isn't the plan. they're not a superpower and wont be a superpower ever because in order to do that, Europe would have to become one country!





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Apr 9 2003 9:13AM
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ECFS-Attitash
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Britain allied with the US against iraq, but france and germany have condemned it...how is that unity in the EU??
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Apr 9 2003 3:42PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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its an economic block dummies.
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but its all tied together. you cant say that sentiment about the war hasnt colored anglo-french relations
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Apr 9 2003 4:40PM
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Melvs
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robbie speaks the truth. to get my 2 cents in here, as far as the US goes, Phatt Tim you are 'pretty fucking stupid'. The imbalance of import adn export means that we buy more than we sell, yes, but much that we import is stuff that we could produce on our own. Oil for example, is a large import. We could very easily suplly our entier country if needed for quite sometime. Food wise, we are all set. Everything can be produced in greenhouses and what not, so again, if neede we oculd very easily survive. We have the ability to live of of what we produce right now.

Now, for for the inevitiable collapse toy speak of tim. IT has happened before to us. 1929 anyone? took a few decades to fully recover, but we have gotten better because of the mistakes we made. that's one thing about the US taht makes it such a great place to live. We learn from our mistakes. Don't try to point out anything that can disprove it (IE loopholes in big business accounting and the national deficit) because they are things that are being fixed as type this. You think that because you have an unsubstantiated hatred for our country that it will collapse. you cite such things as this trade imbalance. I'll have you know that it has been this way for a looooong time. South east asia will never grow to be the biggest economic power. The only reason they are big right now is the exploit cheap labor. that is why all the industries are there. eventually it will backfire (as it did with slavery in the US) and it will cause a huge economic downfall. Europe may be right up their as a union, but they will also never make it. There's a reason two world wars, genocide, famines, and other major conflicts hapen there. The EU does not get along very well. Early 1900s. Countries wil always need what others have there, adn they will always try to take it over. That is simply how it is. There are to many conflicting views and culutres in the Eu for it to ever form into a major conglomeration under the title of the EU. yes, thety are right now, but they are not untied in any way.

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Apr 9 2003 6:06PM
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If thats true, why do you import so much?
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because its cheaper.

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Apr 9 2003 6:26PM
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Melvs
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as I said, the labor is cheaper over seas, and we can get it cheaper from other places. If you don't think the world would collapse, look at 1929 when teh US markets crashed. The world was effected, but we all recovered.

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Apr 9 2003 6:28PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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You're amazingly ignorant. the world economy didnt crash because the U.S. economy crashed. Haha, the U.S. economy crashed because the world economy crashed. Seriously I dont know why I even bother telling you these things. i'm sure your brain doesnt understand, yo uhave this attitude that whatever you know is right, and everything else is wrong. Most Americans I know arent liek that, but there are a few of you who give the whole country a bad rep, thats why no body wants Americans in their country.
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Apr 9 2003 6:36PM
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Melvs
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alright.. elts think about this.. YOU'RE WRONG.

The world economy didn't crash first. The US economy crashed because of over crediting and people going to far into the margins and spending money they didn't have. The world economy crashed (slightly, not even very much) because all the US companies cashed out the stocks they had aborad. it is amazing that you think the world economy caused this.. It is simply not true. Infact, after doing soem mroe reading, I come to find out that because the US was under the idea of isolationalism, the world econmy did not suffer much at all. But that it did suffer because of what I said before.

NMK, you are completely wrong. I don't know how smart you think you are, you are wrong. read everything abotu the crash and you will see the world economy had nothing to do with it what so ever.

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Apr 9 2003 7:02PM
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If you know jackshit about economics, you realize the US is the economic center of the world, and we will be for a long long long long time to come, EU and Asia have nothing on us. Just because you're jealous of America doesn't mean you should blatantly lie about us, we're such a huge consumer market all other companies around the world that depend on us would be screwed without us.


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Apr 9 2003 8:08PM
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Gdawg3
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Oh yeah, and Papa, the US is NUMBER ONE in giving foreign aid you ignorant dipshit, it's because we have such a huge economy and can afford to, we have a huge lead on that.


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Apr 9 2003 8:09PM
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petek
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what is the USA? Is it some guy? He sounds pretty concieted


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Apr 9 2003 8:13PM
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Melvs
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Id' laugh if you were funny, but you're not. Grow some pubes and hit age 13 before you talk shit.

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Apr 9 2003 8:21PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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well said pat...w/ evidence


are you kidding me NMK?? you talk a whole lot of shit, but you dont have any evidence to support it.
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Apr 9 2003 8:47PM
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Papa
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so what if they aren't fighting, neither is canada but we can't do anything about that. But why fight for something you don't believe in that's a waste of resources and lives. So if the u.s wants to go to war let them, but just cause they are the u.s doesn't mean they will immediatly get everyones support
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Apr 9 2003 9:06PM
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edmonton_skier
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buddy Nine Milla Killa obviously knows more than you dont go around insulting ppl hes not sayin anything bad hes saying the truth, its in the books.
Apr 9 2003 9:14PM
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PhattTim
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HAHAH, IceRider, do you honestly think that America could be completley self sufficient? That is the biggest load of shit I've heard in quite some time!

And the European Union already has a united parliament and judicery system. It is based in France and it's official language is English. And of course it's still segmented and divided at the moment, it's only existed for a couple years. You guys are just resentful coz you're no longer the hot shit of the world. Move over America, you've had your day.

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Apr 9 2003 9:14PM
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andyrightcoast
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Tim, you're a fucking moron. I'm sorry. But you are. I have come to realize this after seeing a good chunk of your posts over the last couple months. You're stupid. IceRider is completely correct.
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Apr 9 2003 9:17PM
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Melvs
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tim, my name is patrick, and my middle name is I Am Right. You're just all upset because you're country sucks and could never survive any difficulties. THE US has overcome tons of problems. and yes, we could survive on our own. it's sad that you see otherwise. as it is there are tons of ships (yes, uncommisioned naval ships we are not allowed to use because of the 9 nation treaty of 1924) filled with extra food, mostly grain. If needed, the US could become self sufficiant. Prove to me otherwise. As far as facts go, I see all the proof that we could do it. hell.. I'm tired of arguing with you.... so... tim

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Apr 9 2003 9:27PM
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petek
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all this shit goin around about different countries, it aint worth pointless discussions. cuz, i can almost guarantee you, that everybody he is so fuckn stubborn bout there own beliefs, that they arent ever gopnna change, just cuz u say somethin.


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Apr 9 2003 9:38PM
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Bundo
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and how about this, if the EU and asian take over as the world powers then the US can bitch at them for every little mistake they make.

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