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Many have never seen these because they are from 3 years ago or so (maybe even 4?) and most got into freeride stuff within the last year or two. However, this is a SUPER sick deal if you like these pants. They were the second line of Oakley ballistic pants and retailed at like $400. They have 25K waterproofing and tons of style. I had a pair and sold them on eBay for $275 back in the day (used, too!). If you like them, I highly recommended them