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SUBARU VS. AUDI

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*Four*Zero*Six*
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How about No. Subaru (and coming in a close second Mitsubishi) have the most advanced AWD systems on the domestic market. Audi (praised for it's saftey and luxury) have devoluped what you may call a "safe a comfortable" AWD system.

Now, depending on what you taste is (either luxury or sporty...maybe a mix of both) the transmission can be setup vastely differant.

Now to the differance among the transmission:

Subaru has three unique advantages on it's side:

1. DCCD (Driver Controled Center Differential) - This enables the operator to distribute the power from front to rear to where he/she may see fit. This could range from 70% rear 30% front to 40% rear 60% front. This will give you a hand on drag (where power is more useful at the rear) to everyday poor wheather driving eg. ice, snow, sleet (where the power up front will help with traction on less-then-optimal surfaces.

2. Semi-lock and Full-Lock Differentials:

This allows the driver to lock his/her front differential. This helps pull the car out of snow as well as added traction on slippery surfaces. Grip on the front "pulls a car." This means less hassle and squirming on slippery surfaces. Very handy for ice packed snow or black ice.

3. A. Sequential gearbox
B. Front Limited Slip Differential
C. Center Viscious Culping Differential
D. Rear Limited Slip Differential

Before I go any further I understand this is a skiing form and not a car forum. Thus I do not expect everyone reading this post to understand exactly what a "Viscous Cupling Differential" is. So I will give you the cliff notes on how these work.


A Limited slip differential operates off two opposing wheels. For example: the front two tires and the rear two tires. The differential sences loss of traction on one side, pulls power form it, and applies it to the other side.

A viscous cuping differential works in conjunction with the front and rear limited slip differentials. It sences loss of traction on either side, pulls it, and applies it to the other side (front or rear) with more traction. Then it is up to the limited slip differentials to decide which wheel to put a certain percentage or that power to.

Make sence? Hope so.

Now on to Audi:

Audi has none of that.

.....Well, I will give Audi a break, they DO have Limited Slip and Viscous Cupling Differentials but they are nowhere NEAR the performance and engineering that a subaru AWD system has to offer.

Audi has devoluped a AWD system that is more luxury oriented. You don't need to you with it or chance it's settings. It just does it's job and that it.

Bacically, it's better for grocery getting if you don't know shit about cars. Nuff said.

Now let's break it down:

Subaru: Rally bred AWD system optimal for race situations.

Audi: Simple AWD...still very good, but cannot even be compaired to Subaru's AWD system.

Cliff notes: Subaru > Audi



May 1 2006 3:46AM
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*Four*Zero*Six*
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Thats what my buddy Brent Scott has a 02 WRX with the WRB paintjob and like some goldish/bronze WORK/Emotions
May 4 2007 4:33PM
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*monsterskier*
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audi juss cuz it looks nicer than the subaru
May 4 2007 4:35PM
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wrenegade
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Thats why I said the STi is the only one with the DCCD.
May 4 2007 5:07PM
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The_Oakley_Kid
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OWNED
May 4 2007 6:27PM
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i+am+ghetto
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you are so damn right

are u guys serious?? have any of u ever been in the new tt or rs4, a8 or whatever...?!!!!

stop being stupid as fuck !

audi is way way way... better
May 4 2007 8:21PM
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dammitmike
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ah sorry i had no clue what DCCD was. such a badass idea that im sure so many STI owners dont even know about and will never touch, which is a shame.
May 5 2007 1:17AM
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^nate^
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check ur audi history. it's completely rally inspired.
May 5 2007 1:27AM
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Capurnicus
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audis are so fresh.
May 5 2007 1:48AM
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wrenegade
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Its hard to compare $60,000+ luxury cars to $30,000 subarus. Don't be stupid. I'd say 99% of people given the chance would take an S4 for equal money as an STi, even with paying more to insure it and run it. Didn't this thread start to discuss the AWD system alone?
May 5 2007 4:32AM
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flux-capacitor
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go for subaru if you want a posers car thats made by the japs or .... get a audi which is a real car thats German built and designed = some of the best built cars in the world but im sure u guys would go for the Japanese tin car over real car like a audi.

http://www.partstrain.com/images/The_Auto_Blog/AudiQ7.jpg
http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/hirezpics/audi_lmq_01.jpg
May 5 2007 8:42AM
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errrka
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my brother has a subaru station wagon and it is the most amazing thing ever. we can drive in ALL weather in it, and we've never had problems with it.
May 5 2007 8:49AM
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treesmann
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i have a '99 subaru forester for 6 months and ive had so many problems with it - replaced engine, rebuilt tranny, many leaks, back left speaker went out, doesnt start every once in a while (didnt leave lights on). the handling is terrible also

maybe i just got bad luck with my first car
May 5 2007 9:26AM
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pmills
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if compairing AWD systems alone, price shouldent play a factor should it? The extra cost of an S4 dosent come from the AWD system, it comes from the v8 under the hood, and the luxuries inside the car.
May 5 2007 1:18PM
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*Four*Zero*Six*
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They havent always been V-8's though and the ones that are have some of the smallest displacements for a V-8 on the market.
May 7 2007 7:33AM
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squeakywaffle
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Are you a troll or just a retard? But yeah man the japanese really make some shitty cars. Fucking Japs couldn't engineer their way out of a paper bag*.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17385761/

Audi and Subaru can't really be compared... but when it comes to AWD systems, Subaru has the majority of AWD Audis beat. I am not going to explain why... if you retards want to know then you'll have to find out for yourselves. I know you won't listen to me, anyway, and most of you know nothing about how different kinds of AWD work.

And... to the OP, since when do subarus have locking diffs? Mine sure doesn't... though I wish it did. I have overloaded the torque distribution maximum on the center diff a couple of times and having diff lock would have been awesome.

*this is sarcasm.
May 7 2007 8:10AM
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*Four*Zero*Six*
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Bro the Japs are prolly at least a year or two ahead of us in technology and every country has their own perks like Japans Skylines and 240's and 350Z's dominate drift and WRC's and Europes engineering dominates Grand Prix's and and other endurance races.
May 7 2007 10:50AM
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cab509
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I'm not sure if anybody has said this yet but if it wasn't for Audi, there would be no AWD. Back in the 80's audi developed it and is still a leader in the market today. The reason I prefere Audi's over Subies is simply because Audi has a purely mechanical AWD vs Subie's electronic version, (ie. it breaks less)
May 7 2007 11:34AM
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*Four*Zero*Six*
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hey do u see people drifting in the snow and mud on websites like Streetfire.net in Audi's alot or Suby's....Suby's would be the answer cause most people that drive Audi's are not so keen to go out and have fun and utilize their "AWD" system only the pro's really do that for Audi.
May 7 2007 11:43AM
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1-pippin
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well at racing school my instructor was talking about awd, and audi and subaru came up, he said the main difference is that audi awd is more mechanical, while subaru awd is more electronic and high tech, so subarus is kinda like a traction control system and audi's is just pure plain old awd. and in performance neither really are "better" it depends on the driver, subaru's are much easier to drive and control, but it is limiting in what the driver can do, while audi's are harder to control because it depends alot more on the driver to control it where with subaru the car itself does more, but for that reason a good driver can do more with an audi than a subaru because they have more total control over the car.

May 7 2007 11:48AM
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*Four*Zero*Six*
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U know what that was a good tib bit man...good call
May 7 2007 11:49AM
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(Jonesy)
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here's a big advantage that subaru has over audi. if something needs to be fixed, it won't cost you a quarter of what you paid for the car plus overseas shipping. audi's need to have a warranty, otherwise be prepared to pay a shitload in repairs.
May 7 2007 1:08PM
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Aenigma
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Yes, it's been pointed out numerous times and is wrong on all accounts.  Saying AWD wouldn't exist without Audi is like saying the automotive industry would have never existed without Henry Ford.  Furthermore, just because Audi did it first doesn't mean they're the best at it.  Different cars will cater to different people, and I will admit that I like the way a Subaru drives more than an Audi.
May 7 2007 1:44PM
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squeakywaffle
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o man i even said it was sarcasm in my post... i love japanese cars.

To the guy who said audi has purely mechanical AWD and subaru has part-time electronic... that's really not true in the case of the 5MT subarus, which are the only ones worth driving with the exception of the STi.

My RS is transmission -> viscous-coupling center diff -> open front and rear diffs. I believe this is shared by all other manual transmission subarus except the WRX (which has a limited-slip differential in the rear and a different center diff torque split but is otherwise identical) and the STi (which has the DCCD center diff)
May 7 2007 5:59PM
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*Four*Zero*Six*
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i wasnt sayin you were serious just puttin in my 2 cents i guess thats all.
May 8 2007 10:24AM
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smuggsVT
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there is no question that audis are much nicer cars
May 8 2007 10:50AM
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cab509
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Alright but technically Karl Benz created the first automobile and Henry Ford created the first assembly line for cars and brought them to the people. In the end it comes down to preference and I like Audi's more than Subaru's, don't get me wrong I like Subaru's also, their engines are bullet proof, the 07 Sti is sexy, they have AWD, and they have the rally wins to back up the claims. I'm just biased because I own an Audi.

I will also concede that Subaru’s are more performance oriented that Audi’s seeing as almost every Audi engine is placed in front of the front axle, and the Subie's are placed behind the axle. Subaru's are also more “bang for your buck”. You can get the Sti for like 35K while an S4 will run you at least 50K.

So in conclusion most AWD's are good, it is just the preference of the driver that should determine what you want to get
May 8 2007 11:20AM
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STAUSS
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My dream car- pearl white S4
What i have now- Pearl white 100CS wagon......
May 8 2007 11:26AM
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Gnarzecki
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uhhhh...... SOOBERS
May 8 2007 12:01PM
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hoodratz47
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i dont know where this kid gets his stuff... i can change the torque front and aft and my turbo boost on the fly.. she might be old for a tybe 44 but its a fuckin rocket ship.... subaru killer.....
May 8 2007 12:23PM
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1-pippin
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ewww pearl white sucks, casablanca white and silver are the best for s4's.
May 8 2007 5:28PM
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jarossamdb7
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makes a little sense to me
May 8 2007 6:46PM
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