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Armada pipe cleaners

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taylorsniffen
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are the armada pipe cleaners good enough to be used on a slopestyle course or only for pipe? are they damaged at all if you use them on rails?
Apr 24 2006 7:18PM
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MarkieR
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you can't really repair the bases. the base is sooo damn fast. i wouldn't touch a rail if i had those skis. i couldn't believe how much faster they are than the ar6.
Apr 24 2006 7:20PM
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MarkieR
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other than the base, it's the same ski as the ar6, so they'd perform fine all mountain.
Apr 24 2006 7:24PM
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4frntSkier
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is anyone gonna get them?
Apr 24 2006 7:38PM
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ArmadaFreerider8
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unless they are quite a bit cheaper, I don't see a market for them. Hence the limited production.
Apr 24 2006 7:59PM
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skimasterflex
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Not right. AR6 has thick edges, Pipe Cleaner does not.
Apr 24 2006 8:11PM
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rxvcgiii
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So I've been searching around... but couldn't find much... what's the difference between the Pipe Cleaners and the AR6s? Thinner bases? Stiffer flex pattern? Skinnier footprint? Less sidecut?
Apr 25 2006 12:02AM
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ski_cartel
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ok the ar6 has a stiffer tail so that you can get more pop off the lips or jumps and the pipe lip, they have the same base material as all there other skis so i dont know what you the guy was talking about when he sayed there diff.
i ordered a pair of them from the shop i work and and i cant waight to get em
Apr 25 2006 12:20AM
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boxskier
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The Pipe Cleaner is basically the AR6 with race bases and the thinner( faster) edges.
The price is about $100 more than the AR 6

http://www.proctorjones.com/pjonline/dept.asp?s_id=0&dept_id=7&
Apr 25 2006 7:05AM
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Lineskier-101
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Maybe this is armada's "race ski"? Remember when everyone was saying that armada was making one?
Apr 25 2006 10:37AM
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ArmadaBC
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Hahaha, no that was called bullshit
Apr 25 2006 10:45AM
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rxvcgiii
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So for a person who ONLY hits kickers and carves groomers... and no jibs whatsoever... would the pipe cleaners be a better choice for me?

BTW: Don't through a hissy fit because I said "carving groomers"... these would be my "groomers" skis... I have the 4frnts for powder.
Apr 25 2006 11:14AM
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Literature
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Probably not, because they are meant for the pipe. Why pay $100 extra when you can get the AR6? The faster bases are all you are gaining.

Also, carving huge turns down groomers is lots of fun.
Apr 25 2006 11:25AM
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ski_cartel
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no man they are also stiffer in the tail which can provide more pop when hitting a table or a step-up or yes a pipe
hence the name pipe cleaners
Apr 25 2006 11:43AM
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nothanks
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"The new "improved" Armada for 2006-2007.This ski is truly the ski that the pros have been skiing on for the last couple of years.
The Pipe Cleaner is the AR6 on steriods.
Price too low to list on the internet."

The ski everyones been riding in the pipe, see. So when people were asking about T-hall and Ar5 topsheets versus promodels and such, I think this will end that. So many companies do that type of stuff, com'on it's no secret.
Apr 25 2006 12:28PM
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rxvcgiii
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Sorry if I sound like an idiot... but what exactly constitutes a faster base? I know the pipe cleaners' base is thinner... but what exactly is the difference in the way it glides across the snow?
Apr 25 2006 7:22PM
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MarkieR
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yeah cause the edges really affect how well a ski performs all mountain. thanks for correcting me douche bag.
Apr 25 2006 7:38PM
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Flynn
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Actualy edges account for most of the sliding friction, so when you thin an edge there really is quite a difference in speed.
Apr 25 2006 7:47PM
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MarkieR
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technically yes, but there is no way that anyone could notice the fraction of a milimeter difference between the two edges. the ar6 and the pipe cleaner are the same ski... minus base and apparently the edge.
Apr 25 2006 8:08PM
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*thechronicyo
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Has anybody seen the actual new 07 skis
Apr 25 2006 8:10PM
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Flynn
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Actualy you can feel the difference. Between edge thicknesses. A few years ago rossi produced 9x's with a thick edge, and 9xs with a thin edge. Same ski, just thinner edge on one set of skis. When you rode them you could feel the difference and see the difference in timings.
Apr 26 2006 8:22AM
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skimasterflex
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This isn't a thread about skiing all mountain. The question this guy asked was about slopestyle and whether there would be anything wrong with getting the Pipe Cleaners for that.

So maybe in your rave reveiw of your first time on a decent p-tex base you should have included the other actual main differences between the 2 skis in question.

Don't get the Pipe Cleaners for slopestyle, the AR6 is cheaper and better for it. The PC is just Armadas way of pointing out that an ideal pipe ski is not an everyday ski, just like an ideal mogul ski sucks everywhere else.

And if you compete halfpipe don't think whoever bought the PC is just going to automatically beat you. Lot's of brands use high end bases on their high end park ski. Think about the best park ski ever that gets the most shit on this site for its thin edges... The Trouble Maker. The PC is a wider TM.
Apr 26 2006 12:05PM
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MarkieR
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definitely wasn't my first time skiing decent p-tex. salomon did the same thing last season with the cr and candide pro models. those were sweet for slopestyle and everything else. i'm sorry if you disagree with my opinion that the pipe cleaner is a superior ski to the ar6. i agree that the ar6 is certainly going to be more durable, but the pipe cleaner will perform better, no question. how is a faster ski going to hinder you in any way, shape or form skiing park all day?
Apr 26 2006 1:02PM
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YaY4skiing
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yea I got on them at a demo day and also rode some ar6s and there isnt much difference between them they also widened the ar6 from the ar5 but I dont know if the pipecleaner is the same with, from everyone else it sounds like it is, umless your doing almost all pipe its not worth it, the ar6 will hold up better and have a longer life and its $100 less, armada is goin to make the jp in a 181 next year too which will be sick
Apr 26 2006 5:23PM
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leone
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well with the salomon lab skis which are specifically "pipe" skis, i've demoed them and they basically ski like a gs ski with a twin tip so the pipe cleaner is probably the same idea
Apr 26 2006 6:03PM
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Poormansvault
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Unless you (in general, not this thread's author) are a hardcore racer, I wouldn't expect the base to have that much of an influence. A "good" base is basically how much wax it can hold. If you even bother to wax your skis on a regular basis (more than once a week in season), you probably won't be able to realize the potential these bases hold with less than 5 coats of wax, at the bare minimum. A really good wax job on normal bases will always be faster than an unwaxed high speed base.
Apr 26 2006 7:31PM
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i0z
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I bought the Armada Pipe Cleaners havnt skied them yet but cant wait
Sep 26 2006 9:17PM
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J-ComptonSteeze
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all u guys be hatin' on the Pipe Cleaners
Nov 1 2006 9:27PM
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Grimace.
Posts: 8345 - Karma: 25
more debating over the aspects
Nov 1 2006 10:34PM
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japollner
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The Pipe Cleaner is the ski you see the pro team on...they just get different topsheets.

Nov 2 2006 7:38PM
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threejay
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yup.
Nov 2 2006 7:40PM
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freeski1620
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im getting mine next week maybe, we will see. im friggin stoked though!
Nov 2 2006 8:12PM
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skiRay
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hence the name "pipe cleaner"
Nov 2 2006 9:44PM
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titsLOL
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uh neither of you are right, different base and core. they used a lighter core for the pipe cleaner. both have the 2.5 edge, and edges do make a difference in a park ski as far as durability is concerned although I'm pretty sure you knew that already. if you guys checked out the armada sight you coulda known all this and not made yourselves look stupid.
Nov 2 2006 10:40PM
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threejay
Posts: 2584 - Karma: 15
ya, the armada sites actually wrong on that one i believe. Call em up and ask and they'll tell you the pipe cleaner has the thinner edge.

however, having held them up next to each other they looked the same, so im pretty sure no one really knows.
Nov 2 2006 11:06PM
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J-ComptonSteeze
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i judt got them 2 weeks ago and i can't wait to use them
Dec 13 2006 8:31AM
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