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American Political problem.
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whenever theirs a political discussion about Bush it often times ends up in "I didt vote for Bush"
the problem is that if you didnt vote for Bush you probably voted for kerry. and he wouldnt have been much better than Bush. the 2 party system is just stupid.
Im french and ill be the first to admit the French Government is completely fucked but one thing thats done right is the voting.
theirs a primary election where there are usually about a douzen candidates. if one of the candidates gets a majority thats 50 percent plus 1 then that person wins (its never happened yet though. when no one has the majority a second round of election is made with the 2 people that received the most votes.
in the US your automatically forced into picking Moron A or Moron B. personally I dont like Bush but i definitly think the country is better off with him than it would have been with Kerry.
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yeah. worked great when you guys almost ended up with le pen in office eh?
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yeah the moron A and moron B system isn't working. Why can't it be as simple as it was way back when the choices were moron A, moron B and Clinton.
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The whole Lepen thing was a message the immigration problem is huge in France No one can get a job yet more and more people are coming from the Middle East to France and collecting unemployment. people knew that he wasnt going to win in the first round an they knew they could vote against him in the second round.
Lepen is a huge racist pric but that doesnt mean hes entirely wrong.
same thing would happen in California. if something like 30-40% of people who have been living in CA their whole lives were out of a job because Mexicans came in and took jobs for less than minimum wage.
If that happened and a guy came and said I want all illegal Mexicans out and im closing the border to Mexico because I hate beaners so vote for me for governor. he would without a doubt win the election
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and now that I think about it despite my hate for Lepen and racism if he had won people under the age of 22 would be able to get jobs right now.
the unemployment is so bad that their are no summer jobs, their are no jobs period. if you dont have a job, you need to wait for someone to die or get fired (which with laws in france doenst happen very easily) to be able to get a job.
anytime I talk to my mom in France she makes me realize how lucky I am to be in the US because if I was in France I would have to live with her until the work situation got better.
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If you look at how the government was orrignialy set up it was not intended to have parties. there is nothing holding back other parties from rising to power they just dont get the votes. there are currently 2 independents in the senate as well as with local goverments there are all sorts of parties that hold offices(green party,libritarian,independant ect). its just the way americans vote thats all.
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you mean moron C linton... actually perve C linton. I think he should get four more years as long as he never associates with his wife again in any way...
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Im not saying it was set up like that its because of the Media. there is no equal coverage.
in France parties are not allowed to have TV commercials or billboards. which are pretty expensive
in the united States The Democrats and Republicans are the only ones who can afford enough airtime to guarrantee a win. sure the green party and independent party have enough money for some airtime but they cant run 2 or 3 months of commercials on tons of channels all every 15 minutes until the election.
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But man im Dutch so correct me im wrong. But there are more people in the race for the white house right. It wasnt just bush and Kerry there were more. Actually it isnt much different than in French I guess, anyway not in Holland. Coz we also put one man as a leader for the race of power. Its just that there are only 2 really big parties right... So it looks like there are just 2 marons:P
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You are correct! The process involves each party nominates a popular candidate at their respective convention then the parties vote on them and they are then bound to that party. They will then movie on to the presidential election. Although both major parties can have provisions that allow a candidate out side the system run. If none of the candidates wins a majority of the primary then the convention chooses....which never happens.
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Its not nice to leaver Ralph Nader out.
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Bush is no genius but thank god somebody realized what a douche Kerry was.
We were gonna lose either way.
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ya, i completely agree. it doesnt help that every politician these days is either super left, or super right. there's no middle ground. it seems one party is always critisizing the other over an issue, yet not having a solution of their own.
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your right there are more than 2 people running for office in the United States.
but there is absolutely no chance of one of the other parties to win. The Republican party and the Democratic Prty are the only 2 Official parties. whatever amount of money they put up (which is alot) is matched in part by the governement.
the other parties only enter the race to try to get something like 7 percent of the votes or something tht way the following election they are also considered an official Party and whatever amount of money they put up the government matches the same way they do for the republicans and democrats. if that happens then it would become a 3 person race because they would be able to compete in the same league as the big boys.
I think the closest thats come to happenning was with nader and the Green party when he ran in 2000 but he only got lik 2.7 percent.
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call me crazy but i think that in history when a country's gov't gets as crooked and fake as ours today that a revolution would be started, in america it hasn't happened because we are taught to go with the flow, even if the flow is corrupt. When America was founded, the leaders wanted a democracy for many reasons, on of which was that if the people control the desicions made by the country's leaders, and now people don't care enough because they think that no matter what, their quality of life will stay the same at the expence of another's and they're ok with that. I think that Bush is a horrible president but that's not what I'm saying here, only that politicians will always be corupt until a revolution occurs, then everything settles over time and it starts over again, the only question is how long will it take before another revolution (small or large)?
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the people control the desicions made by the country's leaders (and if the people revolt then really they're revolting against themselves) is what i meant to sya
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Although I don't agree with you that Kerry would have been as bad as Bush (no one could have handled Katrina worse, amongst other things), I do agree that America needs more political parties. The problem is that most Americans like to think in binaries, so each party blames the other of "far left" or "far right" thinking, when really they are closer than most people think. Of course, neither party will admit that because it weakens their argument and persuasiveness. You know, I think there should be spending limits for campaigns, to level the ground and make it so the richer party doesn't always win. We need to fix American democracy, and reforming campaigning is the way to do it.
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I'm going to start my own party, or we could start the NS party, we have quite a few members
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^Too bad most of them are underage!! But why does everybody say that Kerry is super left... if u compare it to European politicians he is still pretty right... It is stupid that is all about money but I think that there is also a problem with u (the people of the USA) Most of them are so conservative that they wont want any changes or are scared for them. Most of ur citizens are scared for changes at a political level. But I wonder what would happen if more parties were there for the race... Wouldnt there be me more chaos?? Now everything is clear. Tell me how you think about it, its pretty interesting.
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^ ya kerry's not that left, hes just a d-bag.
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A: nice riots
b:i didnt know you are french! your dad chills with denzel, you have an apartment in LA or something dont you? whhhatt??
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I was born In Paris and my dad became a US citizen 3 months after I was born. I grew up there for most of my life. I went to school both in france and in the US. and my mom lives in Paris where I go to visit her very often.
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I hate the French along with the rest of Europe and the U.S. You smug bastards go eat a bagget. However the two party system is what evolved not what we planned. It dosent matter anyway in america you have to have MILLIONS of dollars to get ellected and if you dont have the dough you have to whore yourself out to multinational companies and then you have to make decisions in their favor. Although it has worked out so far. America is the only super power and I live like a fucking god so basically fuck off. and fuck Bush. And we dont know what type of president kerry would have been. It is pretty safe to say that he would not have gone against the UN in attacking iraq and he probably would have done SOMETHING about IRAN. Bush is a pupet in the pocket of big companies. Mostly oil. Which is why I am getting into petroleum because these are the people who really make the decisions fuck politics. The Chairman of Texaco have about as much power as 10 senators. Think about that frenchy.
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America has primarys too where there are usually several different candidates to pick from. Only after the primarys are there only two candidates left. The problem is the extreme polarization in the american political system. Both parties have become too extreme. Its also difficult for a more moderate candidate to win a primary because the parties won't support someone who might not always vote the party line. It will be interesting to see how mccain, a moderate republican, does in the primary. There are plenty of republicans who dont want to see mccain in the presidency.
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