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Graffiti-Art or Vandalism

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*freeskierpj*
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I want to hear your opinions. Mine is that it is art because graffiti can be done on paper or on walls it doesn't matter where it is done. Keep this going.
Apr 18 2006 11:51AM
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*freeskierpj*
Posts: 1400 - Karma: 13
First of all I haven't watched any air force one thing and second I am into writing so I wanted to know from people that didn't know much about it. I'm not saying that nobody else is into writing here it's just that most people aren't.
Apr 18 2006 12:01PM
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yojimbo
Posts: 3631 - Karma: 27
art
Apr 18 2006 12:01PM
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d-loc
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search bar you newb... stop defacing property, you suck ass at trying to tag
Apr 18 2006 12:05PM
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*freeskierpj*
Posts: 1400 - Karma: 13
i did use the search bar but i didnt see anything so im sorry if i made a new post about something that has already gone on.
Apr 18 2006 12:07PM
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1080ski
Posts: 4424 - Karma: 191
your a dumbass. its vandalism because your spraypainting/writing shit on a wall that somebody built for a reason, and not to be painted on. half the shit looks like crap anyways with paint dripping down from it and stuff
Apr 18 2006 12:07PM
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brit.
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depends. sometimes if the persons really talented and they actually know how to do it right, it can be art. but usually it just looks like shit.
Apr 18 2006 12:09PM
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Scratch*my*Back
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in largers cities many of the owners of the building, either a restaurant, or shop, or whatever, will pay a graffiti artists to paint something somewhat relevant to the building's content. at least they do that in montreal everywhere and it's gorgeous.
Apr 18 2006 12:10PM
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waterville_NH
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its art, unless its just shitty and just like bullshit words. but i consider that kind of vandalism a good thing
Apr 18 2006 12:12PM
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MacMahoooon
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dont mind d-loc...hes just cranky.

Theres so many kinds of "graffiti" that its hard to decide. Pointless ugly tags on every flat surface is definitely vandalism. There are some amazing pieces on legal (and illegal) walls that are beautiful pieces of art. All depends where, why and how its done.
Apr 18 2006 12:15PM
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asac
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i love seeing graffiti. it brings color to a rather dull surface.
Apr 18 2006 12:17PM
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scientist
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bam.
Apr 18 2006 12:26PM
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k2yeags
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i agree that that is cool.

but if its just like gang signs or disrespectful stuff then it sucks
Apr 18 2006 12:26PM
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sconniestyle
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ed zachary.
Apr 18 2006 12:26PM
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*freeskierpj*
Posts: 1400 - Karma: 13
keep it going
Apr 18 2006 12:38PM
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andyh15
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True. There's a massive difference between just Tagging and actual Graffiti. Graffiti is definitely art....
Apr 18 2006 12:44PM
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Quinny
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Graffiti is a form of art...BUT when done on someone else's property without their permission, it is vandalism. End of story.
Apr 18 2006 12:49PM
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Dilla
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if its an expression oneself, then art.
but if its racist slang or profanity scrawled on the inside of a culvert, then no, its not art
Apr 18 2006 4:59PM
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dandoy
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if its an actual painting, art.. if its just tagging and bombing, its poop.
Apr 18 2006 5:00PM
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Leckett
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graffiti is art. but it depends. tagging someones tombstone or a government building is straight up vandalism and thoughtless. if its on an apartment building or something and its an actual mural or somethign thats good and took an artist to make, then its sick. i hate seeign people just writing shit on walls like NIGGA WHO DA BOSS
Apr 18 2006 5:03PM
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ProducerXXX
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Definitely vandalism. If the "artist" doesn't have permission it's vandalism, plain and simple. That doesn't mean it isn't art, it's just illegally placed.

And by the way, art has different definitions to different people. What may be "racist" or "gang signs" to one, might be an artistic expression to another.
Apr 18 2006 5:05PM
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PeteP
Posts: 482 - Karma: 110
some of it is very artistic and looks awesome but some sux so it depends how good u r but id say art
Apr 18 2006 6:01PM
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ski8990
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It can be both art and vandalism. AT THE SAME TIME! Did I just blow your fucking mind or what!
Apr 18 2006 6:03PM
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XXXQueen
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First of all it's art....not really much need for interpretation. If you don't like it then don't look. When I am in a public place and I see a fat ugly disgusting person, what do I do? I look away. So if you don't like graffiti then don't look. I say as long as they let the ugos run around town let the art stay too.
Apr 18 2006 6:17PM
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Edward.
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sometimes u just need to express yourself
Apr 18 2006 6:21PM
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KRASHED
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this is an example of what I could call graffiti art

Click for larger image
Apr 18 2006 6:31PM
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sneather
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art for sure
Apr 18 2006 6:42PM
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MarkieR
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ehhh i don't think you can really compare it to a fat person at the mall and say "look the other way". what about when there's wildly inappropriate profanity sprayed all over the side of a building and little kids have to see it all the time? i agree that some graffiti is very very well done and a legitimate form of art, but any way you look at it, it's vandalism, period.
Apr 18 2006 6:42PM
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XXXQueen
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The point is, your head moves from side to side for a reason. Look away if you don't like it. Something you may find to be unattractive may not be to someone else. Oh yeah and it is the exact same thing as a fat person, an eye sore is an eye sore!
Apr 18 2006 6:47PM
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MarkieR
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except that a person being fat is not in any way, shape or form defacing someone else's property. there's really no argument here.
Apr 18 2006 6:52PM
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duhamelski
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it really depends. like the vandalism part is a huge part to it. like in sf most peices are legal, which is art, but i couldn't say that tags, hollows, and fills are really art. a lot of them are creative, but a writer only usually has one or two tags and one throw, so its not really art. and that is all that mosty people do. and it wouldn't really be grafitti if it wasn't vandalism. i kinda think it is a good thing though
Apr 18 2006 7:09PM
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jib-unit00
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Co-Flow
Apr 18 2006 7:15PM
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estaked
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shit most you people dont know what your talking about and dont turn this into a "skateboarding isnt a crime" BS... Real Writing is vandalism thats why it is done sure its art but its still vandalism.. and also why you hatin on throwies and tags it takes so long to get an ill tag than to be able to piece... most people over look street bombing bec they dont know... but in this thread you either know or you act like you know.... PZ bitchez
Apr 18 2006 9:04PM
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jonnydub
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I agree with all this
Apr 18 2006 9:09PM
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duhamelski
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i never hated on tags and throws, i just said that they aren't art
Apr 18 2006 9:11PM
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estaked
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your missing the point of what i said ass
Apr 18 2006 9:40PM
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Lé.Skiing
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dude its "PWND" GET IT RIGHT TURD
Apr 18 2006 9:45PM
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caro.dillon
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art,
i mean serious, whats the point of vandelizing a brick wall? its an expression, not a rebellion against walls
Apr 18 2006 9:47PM
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West_Side_Niggaz
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nigga, graffiti is vandalism, dats why I do it. shit... yall be a bunch of ignorants dat aint know bout the gangsta lifestyle. we graffiti to show territory and show whas up
Apr 18 2006 9:48PM
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Paul-o-Rama
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pieces are art, tagging and throws are fun and sick to look at if you know what your looking at,
Apr 18 2006 11:01PM
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sluethi
Posts: 218 - Karma: 10
deffinetly vandalism but some can be alright to look at
Apr 18 2006 11:07PM
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wdbo.
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both depending on where you put it
Apr 18 2006 11:09PM
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Literature
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It is only vandalism when a)done by an "artist" with no talent or b) done by a Vandal, meaning the german tribe that helped sack rome.
Apr 18 2006 11:21PM
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Elijah.
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its art if its good
i tag
i love finding a new piece that someone threw down in your town thats fresh
thats a cool feeling.
Apr 19 2006 1:18AM
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Lebbo
Posts: 1258 - Karma: 6
Here's the site with the guy tagging Air Force One - Pretty ballsy: http://www.stillfree.com/
Apr 19 2006 1:24AM
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AptosFreeskier
Posts: 1240 - Karma: 17
For you guys that think graffiti is vandalism read this "If graffiti is vandalism, and vandalism is a form of pollution, then man has left his mark with garbage at the furthest reaches of the universe." -Espo?

"Think about it, you have writers learning the ins and outs of entire transport systems, risking serious injury even death, arrest and criminal records that would limit your opportunities for the rest of your life, for what? To simply paint a picture, does this seem logical to you? If the answer is no then it is most likely that you don’t fathom the idealism behind graffiti."
- I dont know
Apr 19 2006 4:07AM
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danS
Posts: 1525 - Karma: 163
why cant you vandalize someones shit and have it be art too. theres not an arwnser to this question, and you are making it way too black white. so many differnt types of grafitti, and lots of itis just people dropping quick shit all over the place to get up.
Apr 19 2006 4:21AM
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lagwagon
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if its good its art, if its shit, then its a colouring-in competition/rubbish.
Apr 19 2006 4:29AM
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