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Are you really advanced/expert?

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morbumps4me
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This is just to spark discussion....not be a prick. The other day I taught a lesson and the person claimed that they were Advanced. Advanced to me means can ski all runs with no problem in most conditions if not all. This guys SUCKED...couldn't get down a bump run to save his life. My question to you guys...are you really advanced or even EXPERT? An expert to me is someone who A: Gets Paid to ski B: skis anything, everything, anytime, including that 40' huck we all dream about. I know a lot of us will ski most anything at a resort, but will you hike it and ski that 'unskiable' terrain? Next time you mark 'Level III' on that DIN sheet you might want to think twice about it...it will break your damn leg if you're wrong. Could mean your skiing career.
Feb 26 2003 3:55PM
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cko
Posts: 1869 - Karma: 32
for the purposes of the DIN chart I'd put myself at a three but I change my bindings according to what I'm riding. If its park (which I suck at) I set them fairly low. But when in whistler and skiing technical stuff I don't want my skis coming off so I up the DIN's. I wouldn't say that I'm an expert skier but I haven't seen anything that I wouldn't ski. Having said that, i think 20' is my limit for cliffs right now.

I think you're right that a lot of people over estimate their abilities but as long as they dont affect me it doesn't really matter.



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Feb 26 2003 4:00PM
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EmcEEmahEm
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I've never dropped a 40' cliff, but other than that, I've pretty much skied everything there is to ski. Bump runs, sure, love 'em and rip 'em. Steep 'n' deep? Sure, I'd do it more if I didn't live someplace where there IS no steep 'n' deep.

morbumps brings up a good point though... a level III skier is meant only for the best of the best. Just because you can throw yourself off a table doesn't mean you're a good skier. Most people are level II, as it's defined: 'Skiers who do not meet the requirements of level I or level III.' Your DIN needs to be set where it's supposed to be. It's not a bigger-penis contest.


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Feb 26 2003 4:03PM
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DRISKEY
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well thats your definition of advanced and expert skiiers but other people have other definitions, so relax buddy.

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Feb 26 2003 4:18PM
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midwest_720s
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living in the midweast, a type 3 skier is anyone who can rip the steepest hardest shit (which isnt very hard out here). the only reason i bought park skis in the 1st place was cuz there's nothing else to do, and without being able to land switch, u'd be bored out of your mind. my bindings are set for type 2, but they pop off under the smallest pressure. not seeing any bumps out here, makes you a pro at skiing ice and only ice. and AME out here doesnt include hucking cliffs, bumps, or 2 feet of pow.
Feb 26 2003 4:18PM
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midwest_720s
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but i do think that an expert skier could be someone who can stick anything in the park. it takes more than just some luck and natural ability.
Feb 26 2003 4:19PM
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DRISKEY
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is the midweast, midwest or mideast?

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skiing is just like sex. when its good, its goooooood. and when its not so good, its still pretty good.

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Feb 26 2003 4:22PM
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Pipe_Munky
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i can ski anything!





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Feb 26 2003 4:25PM
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seward
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sounds like your idea of expert is my idea of pro.
i agree that alot of people out there are not experts but what you describe these advanced skiers to be sounds to me like advanced.
so in other words anybody that dosnt fucking suck and fall down every two secounds.


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Feb 26 2003 4:25PM
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morbumps4me
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you're right midwest, everyone has thier own opininions. What I'm trying to say i guess is that when you say you're an expert, you should be an expert here and in the fuckin swiss alps. If you say you're an intermediate, you should be able to ski what bumps the midwest has, as well as what bumps Jackson Hole has. Having lived in both the west and the midwest, if you classify yourself as a Type 'X' skier, you should be a type 'X' skier in both places.
Feb 26 2003 4:25PM
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aoe
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its all about the terrain. and when i i write down 3 on the sheet i still end up cranking my din up 3+ from what the shop does. I cant consider myself expert i guess cause i dont get paid to ski and ive never skiied crazy terrain cause we dont have any. but ive never once backed down from anything in my life.
Feb 26 2003 4:27PM
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morbumps4me
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Something else to think about....although some of you might be able to 'ski anything at anytime', is it with grace and ease. Can you avoid unmarked or random obstacles?? Do you at ANYTIME fall into ANY sort of wedge? Think about the wedge thing seriously, how many of you are PERFECT parallel on every turn, even in bumps?
Feb 26 2003 4:31PM
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Rip
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Im not a level 3 out west but i can ski bumps and stuff, ive never skied big mountain.


Feb 26 2003 4:38PM
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Mills
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dude if you didn't set it to expert your shit would jus blow off in the park for no reason when you hit large jumps.
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Feb 26 2003 5:07PM
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Ghost
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I am not a professional skier that can ski the Alps with grace and prestige. But that doesn't mean that I am going to crank my Din way down to make you happy.

Anyone that is an agressive skier that skis at higher speed should have it up, otherwise if you hit a bump your ski will pop off for no reason.
And you can get more hurt if you are hitting jumps and your skis just pop off whenever.

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Feb 26 2003 5:17PM
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CUBuffskier
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i'd say i'm an intermediate park skier (can flip and spin), but no more than an advanced intermediate on big mountain stuff.

I like to ski
Feb 26 2003 5:21PM
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NSmessiah1
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i am beyond an expert, for i am the NSmessiah. you all look up to me and want to be me. and only by wanting to be me will you achieve skiiers salvation
Feb 26 2003 5:34PM
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Feb 26 2003 5:44PM
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NSmessiah1
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no my son, it is your master, your savior, your messiah, and your farther that is the best skiier in the world. you have much to learn my son. i rule above all
Feb 26 2003 5:45PM
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Phrosty
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hey, some people can ski everything except bumps, i mean shit I have trouble in the bumps but I would consider myself an advanced skier. Plus once you get to the level your talking about there are no bumps on the terrain you are skiing.


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Feb 26 2003 6:05PM
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yeti
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there is a difference between being able to ski everything and being able to ski everything well.

I can ski everything well, and it's not be being cocky, it's just the truth.

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Feb 26 2003 6:12PM
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CMUSkiFreak
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well i just know out here in the ice and crud of the midwest you have to take your dins up past what the shop sets them at because i cant count the number of times i have been in some moguls and my ski just pops off or landing a table that is all ice or when running gates its pretty embarrassing when you kick start and your skis come off, but if you dont know what you are doing you shouldnt touch the dins
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Feb 26 2003 6:13PM
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Phrosty
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christ yeti you know what i mean't.


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Feb 26 2003 6:14PM
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morbumps4me
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The point of this discussion is not to get you to turn your din setting down. I truly beleive that there are NO expert skiers on this forum, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong, there may be someone that most certainly is. I would say most of us are advanced or intermediate-advanced...just my opinion though. Yes, you can be a good skier and not be able to ski bumps...i agree Phrosty. But part of being an advanced skier is being able to avoid unmarked obstacles and being able to stay in control. I would consider a bump an unmarked obstacle.......
Feb 26 2003 6:15PM
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miss_hevern87
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that's so gay...k, for one, not everyone can ski every run for reasons besides they can't do them. alot of people have knee problems...it's like this..JP Auclair might choose to not ski a bunch of stuff for fear of hurting his shoulder again...but does that mean he's not an expert? it's all about how smart you are. And WTF have you ever had your bindings mounted as intermediate...top din for that is like...4 and that' sif you way at least 200 freakin pounds...most of us dont like popping out of our skis every minute...stfu
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Feb 26 2003 6:26PM
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RudyGarmisch
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About the whole wedge thing someone mentioned before; A good skier will still wedge, its appropriate in some cases. If you are really so advanced, you are not always doing steep lines and lincon looping off 40 foot huckers, you are realistically also skiing pack and bumps, and for many people, plain crud snow. You need to be able to ski in all of these to really be expert.

However, i still mark 3 on the DIN's sheet (im a poser).
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Feb 26 2003 7:12PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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i wouldnt think twice about marking 3 on the sheet. Having the din that low can be more dangerous than having it high. If I'm skiing a gladed run or something and my ski pops off I'm fucked. I hit a tree and get hurt. If I'm hitting a jump in the park and i don't land perfect the ski will fall off and not only be embarrasing but it never feels too good to fall.

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Feb 26 2003 7:46PM
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lineskier10
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i think im an expert for the east because i can ski pretty much anyhting out here and ive dropped the biggest drops i have seen out here, but i dont know about the west, id definitely consider myself an expert in the east though

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Feb 26 2003 7:55PM
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morbumps4me
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it's good that many of you have confidence, that's a good quality....keep on skiin.
Feb 26 2003 7:58PM
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Stonez
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hey bumps, are you saying that unless you are a pro you are not an expert? doesn't make much sense to me...but I do agree with you, people overestimate their abilities. I am an instructor at Heavenly and people always think that they can go anywhere anytime...until they are rolling down a black diamond screaming at me for not doing my job...whatever
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Feb 26 2003 9:16PM
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petek
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i can get down any hill, any steepness, any tree density, any snow condition. but i suck ass in the park, so does that count?



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Feb 26 2003 9:38PM
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CrystalineSkier
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I'm no pro, but i've been skiing my whole life. for my age, i'd say i'm an expert. And waht's this about hitting a 40' cliff above me in teh posts? Well my brother (twin actually) and i were skiing along, and i just fell off a 20'. it was great, but i saw a 40' next to it and told my twin to jump it. He did. In the air for 2 seconds flat.
Anyways, this DIN setting bullshit is crap. It's not your din setting that makes you an expert skier. my little bro could set his as high as he wants to, that doenst' make him good. It's the ability to ski better than 99% of the people you know that can ski. And you know what? I am better than 99% of the people i know that can ski casue it is my life.

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Feb 26 2003 9:39PM
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morbumps4me
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Stonez- I get that same damn things. Do you ever get the 'lockups'? First time down the 'steeper' stuff and they fuckin lock em' up.....headed down the hill for a tree at Mach 51. I'm not saying that you have to be a pro to be considered an 'expert' skier, but I am saying that you should be able to ski ANYTHING...and I mean ANYTHING, spanky's ladder at whistler should be no problem....big couluer at big sky...ssssuuuurrrreeeeeeeee.
Feb 26 2003 9:55PM
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bwbski
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just to let u know i got my new skis and bindings this winter and there is a new box to check on the din setting it is level 3+ and that is what i chose. i ski mostly bumps which puts the most presure on ur bindings. and i do get paid to ski.


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Feb 26 2003 10:01PM
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Cooldude
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The purpose for the din chart is to know the amount of stress the bindings will go through, not to catagorized everyone to rank them in the metro area! Feel free to check the 3 box, all the freeskiers i know, now matter how good they are, and some of them really suck, check the 3 box just because the bindings go through that extra wear and tear!
Feb 26 2003 10:53PM
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GrippinGs
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what is the din chart? like how much pounds of preasure does it take to pop out at 4-5 etc...?
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Feb 26 2003 11:28PM
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morbumps4me
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Din chart: http://www.terrymorse.com/ski/din.html
Feb 26 2003 11:37PM
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CalgaryJibber
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I agree. youe expert is my pro, my dad is a really good skier, I consider him an expert, he will ski anything from big steeps, bumps, groomers, race tracks and pillow lines, but he isnt paid to do it

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Feb 26 2003 11:54PM
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Baker
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Expert is pretty easy to acheive where i live. You get the cream of the crop of great skiers who aren't even close to being sponsored. I'm in high school, and me and most of my friends i would consider expert. When you can ski any run at jackson in good form and actually turning, i would say that you are expert. I am by no meens better than 99% of the skiers i know, but when some of the skiers you know can huck 60 footers effortlessly, its hard to be better than them. If you want to get good, come to jackson. Its the best terrain you're going to find to test your abilities. And that level 3 is bullshit, its still way to puss.



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Feb 27 2003 12:08AM
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Feb 27 2003 12:18AM
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mesa expert.
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Feb 27 2003 12:24AM
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SVHucker
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haha if you mark level 2 they'll set your bindings at like 4 or 5; that's at least as dangerous as having it too high. I'd rather have it too high and trust myself not to wipeout than to have it too low and release when there's any pressure. In the general skiing population, I'm definitely an expert. Pros are a different level. You guys give the average joe too much credit (and pros too for that matter; there aren't many of them).
Feb 27 2003 2:15AM
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swissmiss27
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din charts are ridiculous. it's all a liability thing so they are set so artificially low. like somebody else said, mine are set 3 points higher than the level 3 they were initially set to. and they still pre-released 3 times today alone.

and about doing the wedge... i very rarely sport one, but i have even seen sethboy do it in some movies when approaching a seriously sick section of a seriously sick run.
and perfect parallel is super oldschool and skischoolerish anyhow - not a testament to how good a person is.
Feb 27 2003 11:50PM
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UpDawg
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I agree with swissmiss, if you actually think about the way a ski turns and where the forces are coming from, the DIN chart is low. But like she said, liability. As for myself, I am an advanced skier on certain terrain. I started skiing more when 'newschool' was picking up (roughly 6 years ago), so I never raced or skied bumps as a youngster. What I was brought up on was a freeride basis. So thats what I'm good at, is freeriding. I don't ski bumps because to tell you the truth, I can't, but on the terrain I choose to ski, I do farely well. Many people that came into the shop this past winter to rent skis mark '3' on the rental form, and I know for a fact that they're not up to par in the basics of skiing, but everyone has their own level.
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Feb 28 2003 12:28AM
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east_coast
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So what do you consider someone who skis everything anywhere and anytime who doesn't huck the big cliffs. Personally for me I will ski anything. I was out in Whistler this past week and I was skiing all of the bowls off of Spankys and it was a ton of fun and nothing that really scared me. Except for the cliffs. I don't like the idea of droping down a vertical wall to a landing right below me. That just freaks me out. But it is another thing for jumps. The jumps in the park though are a lot funner for me to hit because i know where i'm going to land. so some people just have certain things that they aren't comfortable with but can still rip anything else.
Mar 1 2003 2:14PM
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real9999
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I don't agree with that definition of 'expert.' What about downhill racers? Sure they may look stupid and retarded in they're skintight suits, but they ski faster harder than any of us. They also have their DIN's set in the 14-18 range. I'm sure there's plenty of Olympic level skiers that can't huck their meat off a 40ft cliff. I still think they're expert 'level III' skiers.
Mar 1 2003 3:51PM
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dspin7x
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ya well what are you supposed to mark then level 2?? thats an intermediate skier and im defiantly not an intermediate skier and who the fuck cares anyway what i write on the form i just end up going and changing the din anyway, ski for yourself and have fun and dont worry if people are writing down expert when they arent wait till they get out on the hill then you can embarass tem
Mar 1 2003 5:39PM
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What_A_Wookie
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im not...im not that bad at skiing though...its the park that kills me...those damn racers..
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Mar 1 2003 8:05PM
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Phrosty
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and most expertts don't rent skis.


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Mar 2 2003 2:34AM
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What_A_Wookie
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true...
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