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Progession vs. stupidity

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kristie
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Where do you draw the line?

Is it cool when skiers huck themselves off 200+ ft cliffs with no intent to ride it out? When they're making bomb holes that are bigger than they are, are the skis, at that point, just for show? What about when we jump off buildings into concrete parking lots? I mean, even when you stick it, it usually hurts. Where is our sport headed?

Why are we so obsessed with rails? Is it just a phase? Is it even skiing?

I was just wondering if you guys ever thought about this shit.
Apr 1 2006 9:49PM
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S2daJ
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definitely about the cliffs and shit, i really dont think thats skiing when they ride 10 feet, jump off a huge cliff, and land on their backs not even attemting to ride it out. dont get me wrong that takes balls. and as for rails, they complete skiing for sure.
Apr 1 2006 9:55PM
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Billiards.
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world record cliff hucking is bullshit. Sliding rails may not be complete skiing. But its a huge part of what we do. Its jibbing. It takes alot of balance, which takes talent unlike cliff hucking. and it takes baing able to spin. Rails are sick, not a phase.
Apr 1 2006 10:02PM
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D-40
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true except for hibbert, he is just a crackhead
Apr 1 2006 10:09PM
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reggyboy
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i think its very debateable but u gotta respect the guys for throwing themselves off a 200ft cliff even if they are only using an inrun of 10ft and bombing out in th landings. i think ski-basing verging on not being skiing but so long as they have two planks on their feet an their pushing the sport in new directions you gotta show respect.

its like tow in surfing.. allought of soul surfers think its not real surfing because u arnt paddling into the wave. they think that surfing should be just man a board and the ocean and not have the inclusion of a machine. but they will still respect the balls that the tow in guys have to drop in on 60ft+ waves.

btw rails are def part of skiing and they will be for sometime to come its just how the sport has evolved.
Apr 1 2006 10:21PM
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milkdud951
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rails are definetly skiing
Apr 1 2006 10:27PM
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BeLeiVeTheHyPe57
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skiing is what you make of it, what you have fun doing. thats why i love skiing because there are so many directions you can take it. as far as progression vs. stupidity, everyone will have a different veiw on whats stupid and whats good for the sport, thats my 2 cents
Apr 1 2006 10:29PM
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Koskinen
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tricks off cliffs is where its at!
Apr 1 2006 10:50PM
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wittlescottyVT
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i'll get back to you as soon as i switch 10 this 150 footer
Apr 1 2006 10:54PM
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snocompton
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The freesking world is all about whos doing what, whos going bigger, whos doing this and whos doing that. It might suck but thats the way it is. Theres still plenty of progression, it might just not be in the direction you like.
Apr 1 2006 10:57PM
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fuck elvis
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grabbing stupid places with both hands on ur skis when u spin is progressive
Apr 1 2006 11:02PM
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mattster
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rails are just not... natural... but are easier to jib on than trees are
Apr 1 2006 11:08PM
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J.D.
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I think the "it will happen" thread is a good example of this debate...

Yeah, stupidity has way too much support lately.
Apr 1 2006 11:10PM
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Craigskis
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kristie*
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Loner
Apr 1 2006
9:49:54 Where do you draw the line?

Is it cool when skiers huck themselves off 200+ ft cliffs with no intent to ride it out? When they're making bomb holes that are bigger than they are, are the skis, at that point, just for show? What about when we jump off buildings into concrete parking lots? I mean, even when you stick it, it usually hurts. Where is our sport headed?

Why are we so obsessed with rails? Is it just a phase? Is it even skiing?

I was just wondering if you guys ever thought about this shit. "


IF you call doing it for jesus a reason, and you had a 3 month old baby wouldn't you jump?
Apr 1 2006 11:21PM
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T-Nels
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true. hibbert has made a career out of falling. see forward for an example of his crashes through the years.
Apr 1 2006 11:28PM
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Billiards.
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why did you do that???
Apr 1 2006 11:28PM
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Ryanvdonk
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ski basing is still considered skiing for me because the only people doing it are thetop pros and they are skiing some difficult pitches before they huck their meat.
Apr 1 2006 11:30PM
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Desjardins
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if you have no intent to ride away from dropping a 200ft+ cliff, that is called suicide
Apr 1 2006 11:31PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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its all good. I won't drop 200 ft, and I hate rails/ But those guys are nutty. Its about progressing yourself, so that could be a bigger cliff, or a tougher rail. But I am not a rail fan.
Apr 1 2006 11:37PM
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Holte
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You could argue that rails are real skiing and riding on snow isn't skiing. i'm not great at rails, but I like them as a part of skiing because it gives me something to do on skis in the summer. I think everybody agrees that while landing on your back isn't really landing, it's just part of big mountain progression.
Apr 1 2006 11:55PM
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t3shellvenom
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true
Apr 1 2006 11:58PM
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prophet
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i think urban drops and drops to flat and the likes are the stupidest idea ANYONE has had... im guessing some mogul skier thoguht it up after a lifetime of knee-abuse.
Apr 2 2006 12:11AM
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SnowMedic
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stupidity = progression
Apr 2 2006 12:14AM
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jd_1260
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Style=proggresion
Apr 2 2006 12:15AM
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SirFryanator
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progression occurs basically when someone tries something new and either lands it or almost lands it and pushes kids to beat him.
Pierre was awesome, I mean he was a crazy-good skier even when he wasn't dropping. But Leo will beat him eventually, and there probably will be cliff-dropping skis sometime in the future where you may be able to ride out of a 200+ footer.
It's about the technology and how well teh person uses it to progress a sport.
Apr 2 2006 12:36AM
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Arabian.
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kristie, falling on your face over 1000 times is not progression. hence, you are not progressing. Mike told me the urban rail story, and that told me that you would rather hurt yourself badly than give up trying to do a rail you missed 20 times. i suggest learning the basics, like SKIING, BALANCE, and COORDINATION.
Apr 2 2006 12:57AM
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Jeff_Lo
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i dont seem to ever progress, so i just go ski and have fun messing around...i think people progress into realizing its all fun, instead of taking it so serious, like i did for the past 2 seasons
Apr 2 2006 1:10AM
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EClay46
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look at kristies pictures, there is a drop and the rest are rails accept for 1
Apr 2 2006 3:13AM
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CorkWormTurn
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not skiing out of a cliff shoudln't count. period.
Apr 2 2006 3:36AM
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skiierman
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I think that there is no difference between just going for a world record cliff, and using a shovel full of snow to hit an urban rail. So if you are trashing the cliff drops saying it's not really skiing, then you have to agree the same for urban rails.
Apr 2 2006 11:42AM
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JockinJLoads
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somehow it seems like ppl want to staqrt controversy by asking if rails are just a phase
Apr 2 2006 12:05PM
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Davevinc1080
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there not a phase, handrails arent goign anywhere, and i love rails
Apr 2 2006 12:24PM
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skiinscotland
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go watch the end of focused and then say thats not skiing.
Apr 2 2006 1:35PM
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jsof9
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shouldnt count for what?
Apr 2 2006 2:43PM
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dom_uk
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for a world record cliff jump, for example i could probably go out tomorrow and jump 200 ft into snow and land on my back, it takes skill to land it though, but it would probably break your legs to be fair
Apr 2 2006 3:15PM
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skiinscotland
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it would probably break your back if you landed on that aswell.
Apr 2 2006 3:17PM
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jsof9
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yeah, except the point is you HAVENT hucked a 200 footer, and you never will. pierre's record is nuts regardless of the landing.....

are you saying that if you went out, launched a 40 footer and didnt ride away clean, that you wouldnt count it as hitting a 40 ft cliff?
Apr 2 2006 3:41PM
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SteveXs2
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It's all about regression.
Apr 3 2006 11:50AM
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d-loc
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the cliffs are all for adrenaline, who cares about the landing. it would be so sweet to hit a huge cliff u knew had mass powder. but i always get scared of whats beneith.

also love the free base jumpers that ski off into nowhere and pull a shoot. so awesome, just something else to get into, not necessarily skiing but still fun.

you do whats fun, not something that u think others will like. who cares what people think of you or whatnot
Apr 3 2006 11:54AM
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Big-Punisher
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explain to me the difference between hucking a cliff without skiing out, and sliding an urban rail into a parking lot. Think of the similarities: short in-runs, no turns involved, no true line out. How is one skiing and the other not? Urban rails are fun, but totally counter-intuitive; sliding a 2-kink in a parking lot at 3am is fun, but it ain't " skiing" in the traditional sense of the word.
Apr 3 2006 12:08PM
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powder4breakfast
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^^^^^wow, that was right on the money. good post.
Apr 3 2006 1:55PM
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powder4breakfast
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to answer the 1st question of this thread... yes! it is cool when skiiers huck themselves off 200+ foot cliffs - no matter what happens at the end. i wish people would stop saying it shouldn't count if you don't stomp it. you CAN'T stomp a 200+ foot cliff. intentionally landing back to keep from breaking your head off your body counts. say what you will; but, pierre gets major props for accomplishing a major feat. he scoped it, planned it, waited it out for conditions, hit it, and skied away without any major injury. it was intentionally dropped and counts. i can't wait to see the video footage in films.
Apr 3 2006 2:04PM
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ColoradoFlats
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i don't think he intentionally landed head first tho...he could have died very easily...I think that is pushing it a bit.
Apr 3 2006 2:12PM
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chrismoJBEATS
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i draw the line no where
i usualy try to hold off but i do it anyways
Apr 3 2006 2:13PM
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powder4breakfast
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you are right. he deffinately was pushing it and could have died. you'll never find me dropping stuff like that. but, he had the guts to drop it, and he wanted to do it. he was airborn for over 4 seconds with two fat skis acting like wings. it might have been hard to not get flipped onto his head. i am not saying i want to see anyone break his record either, b/c someone is going to die. it is getting real scary. i am just saying that dropping cliffs is a part of our sport. and landing anything close to 100' or more is almost impossible to stomp and ride out without bombing a big hole.
Apr 3 2006 2:29PM
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powder4breakfast
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scot schmidt who really helped open the doors to extreme skiing said something in 'extreme skiing 3 - the scot schmidt story' to the effect of riding out isn't what makes the drop count - not getting injured or losing any gear is what makes it successful. yeah that film is old, but he was dropping between 80 and 100 footers in the palisades back then.
Apr 3 2006 2:36PM
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cork5
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i couldn't have put it any better myself...i don't know how many times we have had to tell her to stop before she dies
Apr 3 2006 2:42PM
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ski_cartel
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ok first off any one who has the balls to huck a 200+ foot cliff has my respect, shure they cant ski it off but there was a time when hucking a 40 footer was unskiable, this is just raising the bar, second urban rails are fun, plain and simple. going out at 2am to go ski in the middle of the city is one of the best things to do, and yes it its skiing, i mean your not foot jibbing the rail and third any time some one tries some thing new one of two things will happen, they will burn and it becoms a stupid thing to have tried, or they will stick it and they will have made a progression and become a visonary for the sport.
Apr 3 2006 2:53PM
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ColoradoFlats
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scott schmidt is a legend...and I agree, he opened the door for big mountain riding...you can thank warren miller for that too...he was the main source of bringing that extreme stuff to the limelight for like the past 40 years or something rediculous.
Apr 3 2006 2:54PM
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powder4breakfast
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haha- i like you dude. i grew up to those movies. lots of kids on this site don't like warren miller, but for a long time, if you wanted to watch a ski flick - there was only warren miller films. we used to sleep over and get a couple miller vids and just get pumped watching them the night before a ski day. even though i was way little - i still remember steep and deep being one of my favs. and scot schmidt was one of a kind with his own bomb proof style - part of me will always be old school.
Apr 3 2006 3:10PM
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ColoradoFlats
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dude, you just described to a T what me and my friends used to do when i was growin up...i'm 26 now and can remember those vids like they were yesterday..that was over a decade ago...holy crap
Apr 3 2006 3:40PM
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