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First twin tip...

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wazawski
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wut year did the first 1080 come out? need it for a paper
Mar 16 2006 8:03AM
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teamdummy
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if your paper is titled "The Salomon 1080-The First Twin-Tip Ski"...i hope you get an F
Mar 16 2006 9:03AM
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evan25
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ur paper should start with the olan mark lV

and the 1080 came out in 98
Mar 16 2006 9:58AM
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*DrewT*
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I think it was like 97 or somwhere within a couple years of that. But they weren't acctually the first twins just the first for a long time
Mar 16 2006 10:06AM
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LDuggan420
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yeh they def. were not the first twin
Mar 16 2006 10:13AM
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ski_cartel
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like 97 or 98 but there were plent of twins befor then
Mar 16 2006 11:07AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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talk about snowblades and the Big Foot.
Mar 16 2006 11:10AM
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waynewong
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Modern Twin Tips

K2 Poacher 96 - first park specific ski ever made
Snowblade 96 - opened the doors to terrain parks. Mountain Managers did not allow skiers in terrain parks for a long time due to the percieved liablity of released skis hitting people. Snowblades skirted that concern and were alowwed into snowboarder parks before skis.
Salomon 1080 - 97-98 - GAME ON, snowbladers and mogul skiers got their first shot at defining this new aspect of skiiing.
1998 - first winter x-games, candian air-force, people still "cracking" their tails to make homemade twin-tips
Mar 16 2006 11:19AM
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ski_cartel
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this guy has the whole history covered
Mar 16 2006 11:29AM
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jameslovesponies
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yo bitch who fucking writes a paper about the first twin tip!?!?!?! i mean i love skiing but at least words of other things can come out of my mouth
Mar 16 2006 11:37AM
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Lofe
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I wrote a 15 pager on the history and progression of newschool. I wrote this about 3 years back for my intro to ski industries class at UMaine Farmington and got an A on it! The first twin was the Olan Mark IV in the late '70s for ballet skiing.
Mar 16 2006 11:56AM
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Shaggy
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Didn't Line come out with a twin back in 95 or 96? and the first 1080 was in 97, for sure, just to clear up the 97-98 thing.
Mar 16 2006 12:21PM
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freeskibum82
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candide had the dynastar 4x4 twin around or before the 1080
Mar 16 2006 12:36PM
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supportillmitch
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^ i think dynastar had the first twin and the candide dynastar came out afterwards. it was called somthing like "twinboards"
Mar 16 2006 2:01PM
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teamdummy
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^ no
Mar 16 2006 2:10PM
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sim
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I can tell you which one you are all forgetting. The Ross E Knoll came out a year before the 1080. 153 cm, and I think about 110-85-110 or something. Can't fully remember.
Mar 16 2006 2:32PM
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schmies
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Guys, WayneWong has it correct. It was K2 first with the Poacher, then Salomon in 1998 when the first proto was delivered to JP and JF at the awards for the first U.S. Open. They only sold it to the public the following winter in 1998-1999.

Olin did it back in the 70's and there was a wooden twin tip ski made back in the 30's which is on display in an Aspen ski shop and was also featured in an older issue of Freeze.
Mar 16 2006 4:16PM
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waynewong
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^^Thanks Ryan!
Mar 16 2006 4:27PM
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waynewong
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I still have schwag from that comp! Been holding onto it for prosterity
Mar 16 2006 4:30PM
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sim
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Well, sorry but if you are going to throw the 1080 in there as 98 then you have to throw the Ross E Knoll in there. I was skiing on them in the 97-98 season. Remember Fridge Photos. I know you do because you happen to be on the same page. Unfortunately, I don't think I have any earlier photos of them. However, Vinnie D is riding them in State of Mind in two shots I believe.

This ski keeps getting forgotten and left out of the whole history thing.
Mar 16 2006 6:07PM
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wazawski
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ya my papers on the way skiing has progressed and since the first 1080's were the first successful twin tip, i mentioned how the new type of ski helped progress the sport....i kinda just needed a date so i wasn't giving wrong info.
Mar 16 2006 9:35PM
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waynewong
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^^
http://www.outdoorreview.com/cat/ski-equipment/older-alpine-skis/twin-tip-freestyle/PLR_1548_0crx.aspx

1999 ski reviews

BTW the ross e. knoll was release 1999 two production years after the 1080
Mar 16 2006 10:27PM
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Billiards.
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hahaha I fucking have a pair of the bigfoots, I never ride um but thats helariouse.
Mar 16 2006 10:27PM
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scratchskier170
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no it came out in like 96 didnt it?? hmm. im not relly sure tho
Mar 16 2006 10:36PM
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waynewong
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the 1080 was avaible at ski shops in 1998-99

it was given to team members in 1997-98 towards the end of the season - some heads like JP and JF got some earlier test models

I got my first pair when I was on the salomon snowblade team in 1998 - Thats right the salomon SNOWBLADE team - fuck yeah, so much fun - tight crew
Mar 16 2006 10:43PM
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BusyJohnSohn
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how long is this paper.
Mar 16 2006 10:44PM
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skiierman
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The first twin tip was around the time of the old huge wooden skis that you may see hanging up in a lodge. They where used by ski patrol so they could traverse back and forth without having to make jumping turns in tight situations through the trees. There was a thread about this way back and even came with a picture.
Mar 16 2006 10:54PM
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turbo_penguin
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as for last reply, i have a buddy who bought line twin tips basically for that reason, he hates the park, but he loves super steep glades, and he can just do a "falling leaf" style turn in a really tight spot. good comedy.
Mar 16 2006 11:05PM
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Stinkey_egg
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i've acutally held a pair of Olin Mark IV's. man their so old school but they do have the twin tip. i'd say that most peoples first twin was the 1080 groms. they were my first twin and probally a whole bunch of other peoples also.
Mar 16 2006 11:12PM
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GingerKid08
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^my dad rode mark IVs untill last year, we still got em.
Mar 16 2006 11:20PM
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B.L.A.K.E
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yah we have like 20 pairs of mark IV's at our local ski swap that keep coming around every year, im probably going to buy a pair this year just to hang up.
Mar 16 2006 11:23PM
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scratchskier170
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ya cuz i rember seeing them in movies before 98
Mar 16 2006 11:26PM
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dylhole
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i'm pretty sure in relation to the 1080, the k2 poacher was on the market first
Mar 16 2006 11:26PM
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C_Ewart
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About two years ago, Dynastar re-made the Olin Mark IV. We still have a pair for sale at our local ski shop.

(Just a little tid-bit of information)
Mar 16 2006 11:28PM
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[~_~]
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you are all wrong. Freeze magazine once showed a picture of the first twintip. It was made of wood and used by those arctic indians. way before salomon or line were even a company.
Mar 17 2006 12:11AM
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Paul-o-Rama
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yeah, i was just about to say that, they talked about how you could see people zooming backwards down teh mountain
Mar 17 2006 12:20AM
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sim
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No man, those arent the same ones I have. Trust me, I was skiing on them in 97-98. I broke them early 98-99 season, and they sent me another pair for free. Those would be the ones you can see if you have I think the first issue of Vol 3 of Freeze. Also, check out State of Mind. Vinnie Dorion is on them in the summer of 97.

Also, and this is where I actually first learned that a twintip ski existed, and coincidentally lead me to the Ross E Knoll, check out like either the 1st or 3rd issue of Boards in Motion. They were talking about some sort of Glissade twin tip. If I remember right, the dimensions were around that of what Pollard now skis on.
Mar 17 2006 4:24AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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HAte to burst everyones bubbles here but I was watching vintage ski footage from gods knows when but they were skiing on long wooden planks that were twintipped and they were tossing 180's off windlips n shit. But people think this whole freeskiing thing is relatively new but it's not, it's only more mainstream now
Mar 17 2006 4:35AM
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bobs
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well 10 yr anniversery so that could be 96...

In 98 ther were a couple twins out cause i remember i had a pair of zones from atomic
Mar 17 2006 6:36AM
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skiierman
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Yeah that was Eric Pollard's great grandfather, Sylvester Francis Pollard.
Mar 17 2006 8:37AM
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potatofarmer
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the first twin came out in the 80s, for ski-ballet. that was cool for about 2 and a half minutes, then twins were put away until the mid to late 90swhen park was discovered for skiers
Mar 17 2006 8:55AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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ski ballet is still cool. What do you think butters are?
Mar 17 2006 1:46PM
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iskindiana
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yeah olin mark Vs then came the k2 el camino... they were twins
Mar 17 2006 1:52PM
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waynewong
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I believe that the priginal poster was asking about modern twin-tips....i.e those that affected/progressed freeskiing into "newschool skiing"

The taxonomy of modern skis would be the appropriate title...and the missing link between the shaped skis of 1995 and the revolution that started in 1998 would be a combination of salomon and line snowblades, the canadian air force, the k2 poacher and the early 1080 prototypes...yes, some other companies had turned up tails on their carving skis but the K2 poacher was the FIRST park specific mass manuafactured ski...alas it was as soft as a noodle and way to short, and our half pipes/parks were still off-limit to all skiers - but they tried
Mar 17 2006 1:59PM
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sim
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^You don't believe me eh?
Mar 18 2006 5:49AM
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Mattman
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I have one of the first twin tips
Mar 18 2006 5:53AM
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sharkey
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One of my old roommates found an old pair of the Mark IVs. We used them as an ornament on our mantle!
Mar 18 2006 7:06AM
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Galin
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why hasnt anyone mentioned line? Im pretty sure they were the first company to start making twins. Well, other than the ones in the 70s. This is line's 10th aniversary year sooo i can only assume that they've been making twins since the 95-96 season.
Mar 18 2006 11:04AM
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waynewong
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^line made skiboards until 99-2000 or so
Mar 18 2006 11:15AM
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JibEarth
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i ahve a pair of olins from the 70's there twins and i know they werentthe first
Mar 18 2006 11:33AM
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