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PeterTosh
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

loose change 2 tells you who did what and why. there were 160 billion dollars under those buildings and 200 million was found. insider trading.

biggest inside hiest in history
Mar 15 2006 10:35AM
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gmack24
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yea and that's why building 7 was taken down. It's scientifically impossible that was a naturally contingent occurence...totally taken down deliberately with explosives
Mar 15 2006 2:34PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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^and you're an engineer now?
Mar 15 2006 2:56PM
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gmack24
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not exactly, but engineers have been quoted agreeing...it's common sense man, why did no other building in the surrounding area, many structurally inferior, even come close to falling
Mar 15 2006 3:07PM
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brizz
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I am, and when the structures fell it did look like controlled demolition, it’s kind of strange on how they both fell the same way on their own foundations. There haven’t really been too many other cases where a fire has caused a huge steel structure like this to fail.
I don’t know much about all those conspiracy theories, it just looked strange when they fell.
Mar 15 2006 3:08PM
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cjgncjgn
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ahh another conspiracy theory... delightful, this hasnt happened with every single other assasination/attack


umm holocaust deniers? that is about the level you are at when you think that the US government did this on purpose. Think about it bush cant run again, so he had his 4 years do to w/e the fuck he wanted, he does not need approval of the public to do so.
Mar 15 2006 3:13PM
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skiierman
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Ok... even though other buildings where severley damaged and some did fall... The building probobly collapsed like that because of it's unique structure. All this loose change shit pisses me off because all the people out there with to much time on their hands take it upon themselves to create these rediculous stories about disappearing airplanes and government conspiracies. Oh what happened to the theory about the government doing this as a basis to launch a war?
Mar 15 2006 3:13PM
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MitchPee
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They never said Bush...see most people including you jump to conclusions by government they mean Bush. Whenever someone says the government's fault you use Bush to represent the government. While I don't think Bush was directly involved, SOMEONE made money off this that knew it was coming, and someone knew what they were doing that was involved with inside connections to government officials.
Mar 15 2006 3:16PM
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skiierman
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^ Dude you are just another sheep following this idiot film maker who is probobly going to come out with another "award winning piece" once this one gets dispoved greatly like his first one. The guy is just another conspiracy theorist that's disrespecting the memories of the people who lives where taken by a senseless terrorist attack.
Mar 15 2006 3:20PM
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Logchucker
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Buildings in NYC are required by law to be designed to fall exactly like that, cause a toppling building is gonna be more dangerous, so when they break the builidngs are desgined to collapse on themselves like a demolitions
Mar 15 2006 3:22PM
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marsland
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i dont feel like watching loose change 2, but i did watch loose change a few times. i would assume that if bush's brother controlled the security stuff for the WTC, that bush also had something to do with what happened
Mar 15 2006 3:22PM
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poncho
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it crashed my computer when i tryed to watch it, like my computer just turned off when it started to load, so im not going to push it and try to watch it again.
Mar 15 2006 3:29PM
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cjgncjgn
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yup.

can we just relize that a number of skiers died in this attack and that we should simply respect that and stop talking shit
Mar 15 2006 3:30PM
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TwatBurgers
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wow this is about 1000x diff. than dening the holocaust you fucking idiot. governments can do what ever they want because of morons like yourself. go make some more shitty stickers asshole
Mar 15 2006 4:24PM
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MitchPee
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I am a sheep? Riiiight. I could say the same thing. You are a sheep led to believe everything the government tells you. The word works both ways, but I never said I believed what the movie had to say. In fact, I never said the movie provoked ANY sort of thought about government intervention. I simply stated that a government official was involved, and someone made money off of the fact that there was a terrorist attack inside America. I will not denounce any names or orginizations I have formed from my own opinions to what I think might have been involved in the attacks. There is no way to disprove my argument, because you don't even know what I'm arguing.
Mar 15 2006 4:28PM
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MitchPee
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Talking shit? Are you serious?


Hmm please refer to my post above this one. You think I have no respect for people who died there? A very logical interpretation of my post right? Please point out any disrespectful things I said in it. I would be glad to be notified why I was "talking shit".
Mar 15 2006 4:30PM
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Quinny
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*claps slowly*

Non-professionals pushing conspiracy theories is like deliberately breeding autistic kids.

Look, If you're not an expert in any relevant field...shut the hell up. You are NOT qualified to support any wild claims. Saying "look at the facts" doesn't prove anything. That just builds a foundation on assumptions. Demonstrating how and why tends to work a lot better for proving things.
Mar 15 2006 4:55PM
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fujarome
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alright, i too think this is crap.

for one thing, the melting metal is shit.

who says the metal melted? no one-its agreed that the metal BENT and the building collapsed in on itself from where it bent inwards.

And the "explosions" that happen like, 20 stories below the duts cloud, i've been told that thats dust being shot out of elevator shaft vents. (keep in mind dust filled the shafts, and would shoot out of any openings)

for the pentagon missle theory.
they say no plane was found. Well, no shit. I saw a video from awhile ago of an f-4 phantom fighter jet launched into a wall at some high speed, and it just was gone. no wreckage, nothing
Mar 15 2006 5:07PM
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Quinny
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Another post and you still haven't actually proved anything. Congratulations.

And yes, I've seen the film. Everybody seen that damn film. Crap like this washes up on net forums about every three mounts. I could set a watch by it.
Mar 15 2006 5:07PM
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fujarome
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what was the reason given? i watched that video awhile ago and don't remember all of it. Alll i know is that a plane going over 400mph and coming to a stop in that short of space sure as hell won't leave much
Mar 15 2006 5:10PM
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cjgncjgn
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uh oh someone called "twatburger" called me a moron... i feel all sad now!. and im all for free speech, but the individual who made these tapes did so because he probably desperatly needs to get laid. Conspiracy theoris are ALWAYS going to exist and people like you will continue to just eat it up
Mar 15 2006 5:13PM
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Elijah.
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wow dude this is pretty powerful stuff
ive heard of this before, and this just confirms my doubts
Mar 15 2006 5:29PM
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Logchucker
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I could prbably find quotes from anyone supporting facts if I don't have a full context, aslo please do not take one person view on things and say oh, well he is sooo right, everything is right cause he has a source.
Mar 15 2006 6:11PM
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skiierman
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Ouch, you know what's funny? There was pieces of plane left in the crash, actually a lot of it; so that guy in the video either fabricated the claim made by the government or he just heard something terribly wrong. Anyways, yes this is something that shows up every so often in the threads (check search bar if you want) and after spending so much time shooting this idiot director and the feeble minded people who really believe in him (I'm meaning you here buddy) I just like to say the most simple explination is the best. Many have gone by that rule and it has proven itself over and over again in real life situations. Basically fuck this, not worth the time and if it was... haha, just kidding, this really isn't worth the time anymore.
Mar 15 2006 6:32PM
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skiierman
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Read the last post, it's what I made out of this guy's first film. There you will find PLENTY of proof and pictures that are explained using a thing called COMMON SENSE.

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns3/web/forums/readthread.php?thread_id=179286&
Mar 15 2006 6:38PM
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manwiththemetalleg
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Proof? So you are saying you'd rather believe a filmmaker who you don't know who wants to make a quick buck over you're own goverment, who (arguably) in power in order to protect your citizens, rather than blowing them up...
Just because someone guy says so on a film and show some so called 'proof' it doesn't mean you should hang off every word. If this dude cared so much and believed in his 'proof' enough to make a film, don't you think he would try and actually do something about it if all his sources were solid?
Conspiracy theories are entertaining (for some) but poorly supported if you look into them through other sources.
Mar 15 2006 6:47PM
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manwiththemetalleg
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Gramatically corrected version (im pretty fucked) -

Proof? So you are saying you'd rather believe a filmmaker who you don't know who wants to make a quick buck over you're own goverment, who are(arguably) in power in order to protect your citizens, rather than blowing them up...
Just because someone guy says so on a film and shows some so called 'proof' it doesn't mean you should hang off every word. If this dude cared so much and believed in his 'proof' enough to make a film, don't you think he would try and actually do something about it if all his sources were solid?
Conspiracy theories are entertaining (for some) but poorly supported if you look into them through other sources.
Mar 15 2006 6:49PM
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Logchucker
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

hears the other side, with sources saying different thing. Yes you may say they are biased but so is loose change
Mar 15 2006 7:03PM
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Quinny
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So its utterly impossible, yet it doesn't seem to bother anyone? Sure...

Look, when you play offence, you need to prove your claims. The defense isn't claiming anything. There's no reason to disprove if there is nothing proved to begin with. You're just supporting the video by bating circular logic. Word for the wise, it doesn't work.
Mar 16 2006 2:17AM
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P-JO
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http://users.ox.ac.uk/~invar/circular.html
Mar 16 2006 3:06AM
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Ski-hobo
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I must admit, if everything in that video has some truth, then it is a very sobering and disheartening revelation.
Mar 16 2006 3:33AM
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mad_540_trix
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everyone who doesn't at least think about the argument presented in this video please answer at least one question from the video:

why is the hole in the pentagon so small if a PLANE crashed into it?
Mar 16 2006 4:35AM
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skiierman
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Because they are not showing the hole that the plane produced. Just look at the thread I posted a link to and read the last post on the first page, it answers all your questions.
Mar 16 2006 9:11AM
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almostaskier
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move on people!
Mar 16 2006 11:00AM
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ESB
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i have seen loose change, havent seen the second one yet, but i say that regardless of its truth or falsity, loose change is a movie that every american should watch. i think that its much easier to scrape together a conspiracy theory than to actually pull off a scheme like that, but the possibility still exists and it is very scary. and even if its 95% percent bullshit, i dont think that anyone is denying that certain individuals and companies have benefited greatly as a result of whatever happened on sept. 11.
Mar 16 2006 11:25AM
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Quinny
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Nice link. I like.
Mar 16 2006 12:14PM
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MitchPee
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You are, unless you can validate your point on why you called me disrespectful.
Mar 16 2006 12:27PM
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MitchPee
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hahaha that's pretty good
Mar 16 2006 12:31PM
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P-JO
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I don't agree with you at all though quinny.. I feel like the people should keep the government in check, not the other way around. The more we question the gov's motives, the better. Otherwise how do we know our info we're getting is true or false?
Mar 16 2006 1:20PM
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Quinny
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I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is doing it at the expense of rational thought.
Mar 16 2006 1:22PM
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almostaskier
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once again, even though i take all of these things wioth a grain of salt ("what could have done this? a cruise missile [insert pictures of them here to prove point not]"), yet they always bring up some things that need to be resolved. the whole fact that this thing has a LOT of original news broadcasts shows that something changed between the eyewitnesses and the official story. that needs to be cleared up. a lot of stuff needs to be cleared up.

but it's also been almost 5 years, like 4 and a half now. can we move on?
Mar 16 2006 2:11PM
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TwatBurgers
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MAXIM HAD A WHOLE STORY ON THIS. GO BUY IT.
i think its awesome/insane that a major mag. would do a story on it, esp. with our government and their censorship.
Mar 16 2006 2:15PM
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Quinny
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Maxim...always a fountain of knowledge for the intellectual community.
Mar 16 2006 2:23PM
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Blunttip360
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I have seen this movie, and have to say I agree totaly that the gov't could have pulled that off. It's a fucked up thought, but the gov't does whatever it wants. The theory that Loose Change brings about is simple (Gov't did it), but the way they expand on every detail is crazy. They expose so much shit and coruption, that it made my views change. It's good to see that not everyone accepts what the gov't tells us and can still kick up some dirt. This shit really needs to brought to the forefront untill it's answered.

Ne1 else see that V for Vendeta totally riped this whole theory off?
Apr 4 2006 9:10PM
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skiierman
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^ Dude it already was. Please don't revive old threads. We have concluded that almost all the shit was dispoved, and misquoted. It's done man, the war is over.
Apr 4 2006 9:12PM
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scarroll
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How do they explain that they found remains of almost all of the passengers on the flight that hit the pentagon. How do they explain that millions of people saw the plain crashing into the WTC? How do they explain that nobody they are accusing suddenly has a massive amount of cash? It is bullshit. Get over it. This issue really pisses me off especially because last time I was in the city and I went to ground zero there were people pickoting for this bullshit. That is just offensive.
Apr 4 2006 9:18PM
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Blunttip360
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Im not trying to say it wasn't tragic but it's fucked up. And I wasn't trying to revive a thread I was just comenting.
Apr 4 2006 9:21PM
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Deafboy
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k so im watching the link even tho i didnt plan on watching the whole thing since its rediculously long

but my dad bursts in the room all pissed off that im watching it cuz he's a fucking weirdo and stands outside the computer rooms door and stares threw the glass door behind my back at what im doing on the cmoputer all the time right.

and he starts declairs something along the lines of "why are you watching that some people could be watching you right now tracking you down and come get you because they think your some big beleiver or somehting!"

i was like dad? your fucking kidding me right?
Apr 4 2006 9:35PM
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Blunttip360
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Agreed.
Apr 4 2006 9:38PM
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XxLibertYxX
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I hate that video!
Apr 5 2006 12:14AM
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Mattman
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if only I could write like you, my thoughts exactly
Apr 5 2006 1:49AM
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