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Why wouldnt you get twin-tips?
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im not gunna get the best answers being that most everyone on this site has twins. But from a buyers point of view, (if youre not looking for a race ski) why would you no get a twin tip. They are not any more expensive than other all mountain skis, if not cheaper. They are constructed to be beat up and are therefore more durable. They give you the ability to ski switch and go into the park if youd want to, but still ski great outside the park. LAstly they usually look way better than non twins. So my question is, from a marketing and consumer point of view, why are non twintiped recreational skis even still made?
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some people arent into the whole "skiing backwards" thing.
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"They are constructed to be beat up and are therefore more durable."
Don't even try to tell me that.
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they should make skis for only goin switch...
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its one or the other, race or twin, theres really no other option so...
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they do...their jsut mounted backwards
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well. if you werent skiing park then you wouldnt buy a 600 dollar pair of twintips. and if you are buying a 200 dollar pair, then they are not good skis and they will de lam.
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traditionalist arnt guy buy on the fact that theyre old school. but i dont know? twins are sweeping the nation and soon the world!!
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maybe for all moutina there too flexy, if possible.
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respect racers. they need skis too.
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Well most twin tips are floppy not everyone looks floppy skis, my skis arn't twin ( I wouldn't mind if they were ) but I'm not going to settle for a shittier ski just so I can ski backwards, I'm more concerned with going forward fast than backwards period.
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But line makes a 'fatty base and edge,' besides the whole '05 invader problem and even though that has nothing to do with it, why wouldn't having a fatter base and edge help durability?
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i dunno man, you have a valid point
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Part of it's style too. For some people twin-tips are seen as a generation thing. Young=twin, Old=single, (middle=snowboard???). I even read somewhere that you shouldn't ski twin-tips unless you can actually do some tricks because of how you'll look (yeah, I know it's a stupid thing to say).
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I ski both park and rest of the mountain. From my point of view, and i have demoed some of the best, twin tips just do not perform on the mountain unless you're in the park. I wish I had twins just so i could spin a little easier being that they're lighter but when you get up to 50 mph they don't cut it. That's why I had to find something just right in the middle. Last years Atomic M2tron's. Semi twin on the tail and sorta light but can carve the shit out of the mountain in BC
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not everyone is or wants to be a progressive skier. some people just ski around pistes. they have no need for a twin... that would only push the cost up.
as far as performance skiers go you have, freeride, racing, park and touring. most freeride skiers don't have a need for a twin, there is some crossover between park and freeride, that's where you get fat twins. and ofcourse racers and touring skiers have no need for a twin.
it would make no sense to just randomly start making everything twin tipped. plus your average twin isn't that good all mountain, to get the same all mountain performance you're gonna have to pay for the twin.
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untrue. my stealths rip allmountain, and theyre centermounted. if they were, say, -4, theyd be just as legit an allmtn ski as anything
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its funny bc the guy at ski market said that the bindings were made for that... but they wont do anything if they brake from impact and hand rails... and then he said they are said to be beat up... but they really shouldn't be, even tho my bindings are a freestyle binding
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A lot of the non-twins out there ski a TON better than any twin you can possibly find. Take Legend Pros for example. Show me a twin-tipped ski that will perform like those and I will crap my pants. Different skis are designed to be used in different ways, that's why most skis don't have a back tip.
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not all twins ski great outside the park, an all mountain ski or a bump ski or a race ski or whatever ski you need for what your doing will be much better, also for a heavy guy twins won't cut it because all twin tips are relatively soft compared to other skis
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most extreme back country skiers ski the B4 bandits this is because the way the tail is shaped the snow comes off it at a downward angle pop'in the noses up in the pow. twin tips actaully bring the tails up
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yeah my fujas just dont cut it outside the park they chatter a ton and the edges are all rounded. you have a valid point but some people are afraid of change and would prefer to not have a twin. and the tip in back kills your edge hold most of the time
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if im honest i enjoy days when i just rip up the piestes, and a good pair of carvers are more fun than twins when ur going at speed, i love the feeling of skiing on the edges which twins dont quite do. different skis have differnet uses, i normally ski on twins - they are better for park, BC or just playing around on bummps around the slopes, but for going fast and getting nice smooth long turns on ur edges then carvers are my preferend choice.
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(i was excluding racers from this point originallyby the way) But some people are saying that twins arnt stiff enough or dont preform outside the park. What about big, stiff twintips like the ANTs or the prophets?
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it's like everything in the consumer market. every product has it's place and the target markets are all different. twins are great for playing around on the mountain. with that said, i will buy 3 skis next year and only 1 is going to be a twin. getting the sractch bc for my park ski. the radical r:11 for my playing around piste ski, and a bsquad for pow when i make trips out west. i don't think you could find a person that wouldn't take those skis.
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having a square tail allows you to put a ton of pressure on your edge all the way through your turn. With most twin tips, at the end of your turn, if you keep pressuring them like you would a race ski, they will wash out (the tails will slide).
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ever rode a pair of un railed troublemakers or mad trix? I think alot of softer twin tips could easily replace all mountain rippers (not top of the line ones, you big mountain core guys bitching up there!), people just take a look at the turned up tail and nice graphic, then immediatley write them off as a park ski. What we really need are salesmen in shops who actually know what they are doing.
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most of the allmtn skis have a ski and binding system now.. which makes them cheeper than twins and then buying bindings as well.. also the ski and binding system created flen in the entire ski while the binginds we have only allow flex in the tip and tail... also they are more shaped.. easy to carve all mtn, and a lot of times lighter..
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That makes no sense. If the snow comes off at a downward angle, that would create drag and the tail would become somewhat of a hinge and pull the tips under. Maybe I misunderstood what your saying, but
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i love my chronics, and i beat the shit out of them here on the east coast and have never had any problems. I rip so hard on those things and i love them, my dad is even considering getting twin tips just because here on the east, you dont need a powder ski and a good solid twin will get the job done in the park, glades, powder(what little we get) and regular stuff.
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twins dont ski as well all mountain as normal skis do.
they belong in the park doing what they are made for.
the same goes for any other kind of ski
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HAHahaha thank you for making my day, monkey, yeah I see all the IFSA guys competeing on -4 stealths next year. Too many of you EC rats think because you can carve groomers on your twin they are as legit as any all-mountain ski.
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if all skis were twins, then park skiers would buy the cheapest ones, the ones that werent designed for this so called 'abuse' you talk about, and then becuase they are made cheaper, they would break more often, and the ski company would need to warrentee more skis, therefore losing money.
but for all big mountain skis, i see no reason as to why ski companies do not add a twin tip, it can only enhance there performance and capabilities, unless of course it is a swallow tail
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I've skied all mountain out west vail, B.C., and Copper on my stealths and they preformed everywhere great. Groomers, and even ligit in the back bowls at vail on a 6in powderday (not tht big but eh?) and i have them at true center. so i would say all liberty pro twins are ligit all mountain.
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This is what a member of the TGR board has to say, why twins suck compared to non twins for everything except switch riding.
shorter effective edge
too forward in pow. the extra tail surface area puts you too far forward in fresh snow
makes the tail more floppy. the twin effectively softens the tail significantly. no pop out of a turn.
the ski has shorter effective edge since a large portion of the tail is not in contact with the snow.
the extra tail makes for a more forward mount (if you still want to be located in the proper location relative to your edge), which therefore puts your weight more forward on the ski, which tends to make you tips dive, when compared to a ski of the same shape, but with a square tail.
With the exception of very few twins(Spats, Lotus, BMT, El Jefe, Gotamas, Kingswoods etc.), skis without twins perform much better outside the park.
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No offense but you ski in wisconsin, yes you came out west and went skiing yada yada, you could do the same on snowblades, that doesn't mean they are high performance all mountain skis. Were you ripping crud going 50mph? Straight-lining entire mountain faces? Dropping 70 footers? Sure you can ski any ski anywhere anytime but that doesn't mean they will ski aswell as ski designed for that kind of skiing (a.k.a stiff and fat)
I'm not trying to be a dick and I'm not saying you can't ski well but everyone that comes out west on vacation thinks they are dominating the terrain when that is rarely the case, I'm an EC transplant myself and I thought I was ripping when I first moved out here, but in retrospect I wasn't even decent.
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word, the most durable ski ive ever been on was an atomic carving ski
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and the old vs. young this is bullshit. my dad is 50+ and was considering the vicious and skis my ar5s sometimes, and im still in my teens and ski titan nines and t4s.
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my pa has salomon 1080s and loves them. he just loves the concept of skiing backwards
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"i love skiing backwards!"
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its impossible to stand them up against your car when getting ready
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If u give my parents some twins they wouldnt make it back home I swear. They just need the super carf shit!!:P
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people see bode miller and darren ralves on race skis so they want some
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What kind of people mean, coz than u can also say people want twin tip coz they see tanner...
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the old salomon screams were a sweet ski.. non-twiptip all mountain
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This thread should have stopped with this post. Ice-Is-Scary knows what he's talking about.
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Most replies here were retarded. If the mountain here didn't have a park, I would never buy twins, they suck compared to good carving skis on groomers.
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yeah..too many people ehre are 14 year olds who skied park most of there life on park skis.. im sure you all may be better park skiers than me, but ive skied years of all mtn before park, and park skis are not as good for most aspects of the mountain..
the skies are obviously differnt and have differnt purposes. A twin tip is meant for hitting jumps, and some more specific skis are meant for rails with dulled edges.
A ski decided for keeping the fall line, or crusing groomers are meant for the mtn, not 45 ft kickers
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these might be some reasons
1. some people dont even know what twin tips are
2. some people dont even know that their ski shop has a section with twin tips
3. some people dont even know freeskiing exists
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