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The real TRUTH behind 9/11

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jvvaulter
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EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THIS VIDEO!

I watched it in a a political science class.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

It only uses fact to show what really happened on that fateful day.
Mar 9 2006 12:00AM
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yeti
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all i am saying, is that you are naive to just swallom the official story of something and just blindly go with it.

i am too tired to get into a flame war about this tonight, but there are SO many inconcistencies that it just BEGS to be questioned.
Mar 9 2006 2:39AM
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aznpcskier
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note that 9 out like 20 of these 'highjackers' are alive right now
Mar 9 2006 2:41AM
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yeti
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AND somehow, even though they apparently were using fake documents, were somehow able to be identified with 48 hours of the attacks.

Or the Air national guard told to stand down.

Or the people told not to fly on 9/11

Or the hundreds of millions of dollars of stock transactions made minutes before the hits.

Or the bin Laden family being flown out of the country.

Or the debris from ground zero being shipped to china and smelted without a forensic exam.

Or the fact that there is no way anyone could have gotten a cell call off. Independant tests have show this.
Mar 9 2006 2:45AM
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lineskier10
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bro i hate cops, and i really dislike authority and if you think i go along with the official story of everything your dead wrong, anyone can come up with inconsistncies when they try hard enough, but what im asking you is that if you were going to do the same thing, would you:
A: create a plan which involved 16 willing muslims who would crash a plane into the world trade center for the sole purpose of coming up with a reason to go to war with iraq

or

B: just put a big bomb anywhere and blame it on the muslims

either way your getting the same result, but with option A you invlove a shitload more people who could possibly leak the plan and fuck you, also not to mention the fact that so many things could go wrong with hijacking the plane, and where the fuck would you find the muslims to crash planes into the world trade center, if bush was going to gain from it
Mar 9 2006 2:49AM
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yeti
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you've gotta look deeper though.

What proof is there that there WERE muslims on the plane? THe official report?

What proof is there that bin Laden was involved? He denied having anything to do with it. His form of religion explicitly forbids killing innocents.
Mar 9 2006 2:51AM
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lineskier10
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the people on the flight who crashed in pennsylvania and called their relatives and said their were muslim hijackers
Mar 9 2006 2:52AM
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yeti
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yeah...on that flight. Why didnt anyone call from the NY flights? THere would be better cell service in a major city than in rural Pitt.
Mar 9 2006 2:53AM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah... sure.

And they know EVERYTHING...

They just said their plane was hijacked... whether the guys were muslims are not, they could have based that off of stereotypical thought..

again. they were BIASED.

Pwned.
Mar 9 2006 2:54AM
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lineskier10
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im sure some people did call from the NY flights, the people on the pennsylvania flight just had more time to do it because the distance from boston to NY, where the planes took off, is like 30 mins of flight time, so they had less time
Mar 9 2006 2:56AM
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aznpcskier
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line skier have you even wathced this movie? and yeti is right for all we now no member of alqueda was responsible for these acts
Mar 9 2006 2:56AM
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lineskier10
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oh its good to know you know eveything that was said by those people, wait you dont have a fucking clue your talking out of your ass
Mar 9 2006 3:00AM
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yeti
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and neither do you man!

honestly, this topic brings up such massive emotions in so many americans its tough to actually discuss it.

I am not calling you out or anything, and i dont blame anyone for it, but it makes it tough to have a real debate.
Mar 9 2006 3:01AM
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lineskier10
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yeah its not like they created a video claiming responsibility, or the fact that we have discovered plans for 9/11 in their bases in afghanistan
Mar 9 2006 3:01AM
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Aerozol
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WHO CARES
Americans are all dumb enough to vote for bush anyway, silly fears of terrorism or not, purely because he's, ooh, 'conservative'.
Mar 9 2006 3:08AM
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lineskier10
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there are recodings from the cockpits on all of the aircrafts with muslim voices prior to the planes crashing also, i dont think you can deny the fact that the hijackers were muslim
Mar 9 2006 3:13AM
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yeti
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honestly...i'd like to hear the recordings. Got a link?
Mar 9 2006 3:16AM
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lineskier10
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http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/flight93-air-traffic.htm

2 minutes and 15 seconds in, the guy sounds pretty arab to me
Mar 9 2006 3:22AM
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XxLibertYxX
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yeah
Mar 9 2006 3:23AM
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lineskier10
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also read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
Mar 9 2006 3:24AM
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lineskier10
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what he tried to do was broadcast what he said just to the people on board, but by accident he sent it to the air traffic control place as well, you would think that if this was planned by the government they would at least use people who knew the difference between sending a transmission to air traffic control and simply saying something over the planes intercom that wasnt also transmitted to air traffic control
Mar 9 2006 3:26AM
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chowe6
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the sad part to all this is that yeti is right this is a very personal subject to alot of people, now i am conservative and did vote for bush but i like to look at all the facts of a situation, i wont just watch this one video and say oh damn its a conspiracy, but i will take it into consideration im not saying its true or not but it is something to think about, now you have alot of people who feel that they belong to one party or another and because of that have to say bush sux or hes an idiot because they are democrat, now unfortunately that the way most people are, alot of people views are stemmed from a parents view or teacher or whatever then they dont take the time to judge what they see on tv or in a movie or on the internet, you need to take all views out there and generate your own, now like i said i voted for bush and i am a republican and that stemmed from my family but over the last 7 years that i have been voting i have come to realize there are views of the republican party i dont agree with and even this administration but that doesnt mean i will become democrat i choose the lesser of two evils in my opinion which is what most should do, all im saying is take this video for wha it is...a persons opinion, we all have them and they wil always be out there for us to here and we as americans need to make an educated assesment of these things, sorry about the long rant here i just hate to see a good debate like this turn into personal insults like your gay or fuck you's and shit because people dont have a valid point to come across with, if you know you've been beat let it go congratulate the guy or at least say well thats your opinion and i have mine and let it go....anyway im off the soapbox now....one last thought for all you though..... cant we all just get along
Mar 9 2006 3:32AM
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yeti
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too true. word.
Mar 9 2006 3:36AM
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sim
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Ok, one thing I'd like to add, and maybe it will take a little credibility away from whatever source you are using your steel arguement from, is the fact that the steel not melting is no arguement.

Steel loses its strength fast at those kinds of temperatures- whatever temperature it ended up being. Engineers calculate with a material safety factor, but this may have been too much. Also, not too mention that at least the sides where the impact took place a number of supporting structures would have been ruined to begin with. Add that to the fact that the steel (and I would have to actually look this up for real values) probably upwards of 50% of its strength. Did you know, in fact, that wood does better in a fire? Interesting little fact, but wood burns on the outside and builds itself an insulation layer that causes the rest of it to take longer to burn. Ever notice a campfire.

Aside from that, at least from what I say, in the actual videos of the buildings collapsing, it is pretty clearly seen that the buildings fail at the point where the plane hit them, and then causing the upper part to fall onto the lower.

I also find it hard to believe that they would take out two of the biggest, most important and expensive buildings on their own soil. I'd think that the same effect(having a cause for war)could have been achieved by setting a bomb off in the middle of a concert or some other large concentration of people. Or did the government themselves try to go for that dramatic scene of two great buildings falling down?

Either way, while there does seem to be some inconsistincies that might make a person think, if you are getting it from the same source as this steel melting thing, then you might have to think about the credibility of the other umm inconsistincies.
Mar 9 2006 4:28AM
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squeakywaffle
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the government has a chip in my mind, man... they use it to find me, but they still need my identification so they follow me around and receipts go missing from my wallet i know it is so they can follow me at all times because i see them, they are everywhere, the flies because they are attracted to the kryptonite implanted in my brain yes superman was real, the fictional character is just a cover-up to hide the truth from the public, the government is after me because i am the descendant of super man but i have kryptonite in my brain so i can't use any of my powers and they are watching me all the time, i'm not imagining it, you can say it's all in my head but but but it happens and you can't say it's not true when my bag is closed and i turn my back and my bag is closed but the zippers are in a different spot someone opened it, you can say it's all in my mind but can you imagine that happening, 40 or 50 times in a row so

YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID EARTH IS CONSTRUCTED BY JESUS IN THE FOUR TIME QUADRANTS, WE ARE A CUBIC PEOPLE BUT ACADEMICS ARE DEVIL AND THEY HIDE THE TRUTH. CUBIC MATH IS THE MATH OF JESUS, ISAAC NEWTON WAS AN ALIEN AND EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY IS SATAN
Mar 9 2006 7:13AM
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almostaskier
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ummm... errrrr..... ummm... wow. i.. uh.. hmmm..
i don't know what to say. i was with you pretty much the whole way.

i agree there are many, many inconsitencies about the whole thing (NORAD staing down, something on the underbelly of one of the planes, buildings being pulled yadda yadda etc), and ia gree there is much that we need to know, and hell, there might have been a large consipracy, be it known by the upper levels of the government orm orchestrated way below...

but dang, to play off bin laden as having a religion of peace... wow, let me laugh.

so his religion OFFICIALLY says that you're not supposed to kill innocents? riiiight, thats what most islamic sects preach too. but NO ONE cares about what it officially says.

fact is, slap on the word infidel, and there's no problem in killing innocent people. oh wait, did i say innocent? i meant: people who do not believe int he unity and oneness of Allah.
that is to say christians (trinity), atheists, and pretty much every damned other person in this world except muslims.

you're lying to yourself if you honestly believe bin laden and other islamic extremists wouldn't attack and innocent person. in their eyes, anyone is a traitor to allah, an infidel, and according to the Koran, deserve to die...

let's try to NOT play people for something they aren't, please...

and also, can we, i dunno, move on? knowing whether or not the government of the USA did orchestrate the attacks does not help me decide the next move i should do with the girl im in love with, nor does it help me be a better person to everyone around. at best, it gives some comfort in knowing the gorvernment wouldn't harm it's own people for monetary gain. but most likely and at worst because of human nature, all it does is add stress to my life, and make paranoia all the more easy to have...

we might know what happended in 20 years, but maybe not. maybe we'll never know. just live life.

but go yeti! woo!
Mar 9 2006 7:52AM
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soup
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stating facts from a fucking internet movie put together by some wackjob who hates bush doesnt make you seem smarter.
Mar 9 2006 8:54AM
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shibber
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lets all live like bunneis and this would never have happend =)
Mar 9 2006 9:10AM
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weenox
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http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/10/36235.html

but i guess the experts arent smart enough for you people.....do you guys even live in america?
Mar 9 2006 10:37AM
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powderdream
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yea your right it is...
Mar 9 2006 11:13AM
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Timmy_G
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haha you hate cops bro? wat does that have to do with anything.
Mar 9 2006 11:19AM
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raull
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i hope everyone who belives this shit dies.
Mar 9 2006 11:20AM
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raull
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burns in hell*
Mar 9 2006 11:22AM
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FUUUCK
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shut up
Mar 9 2006 11:23AM
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lineskier10
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it doesnt really have to do with much, just the fact that i kind of distrust the government and im not the type of person whos going to believe everything that is fed to me
Mar 9 2006 12:20PM
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Tasche
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I cant think of a better way. Airline security was weak letting people believe that it would be easy to hijack a plane. Just putting bombs in the world trade center would not make sense either. Why would they just put bombs in there who would believe that stupid arabs could demolish a building like that. There are some points in the video but I think that much of it is speculation. What really got me was the pictures of the pentagon. 16' diamater. If anyone has seen a jet enging they know that they are BIG. six tons 12 feet high. Yet they make no marks on the side of the builiding? I think that we will probably never know the truth. You know what is intresting, we will know who killed Kennedy in 2050 when the documents are declassified... Thats cool so maby if I figure out a way to live for 100+ years I will see if Bush did it. What a d bag by the way Bush. The most powerfull man in the world is a fucking TEXAN the most hated people in the US. Anyone from colorado can tell you how much they hate texans.
Mar 9 2006 12:41PM
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spin
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but its a hell of a lot less drastic than hitler's faked polish invasion. not that bush is hitler-esque or anything.
Mar 9 2006 1:41PM
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powder_2_the_people
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the not landing on the moon is actually relatively reasonable. also about the killing your own people: nobody in nazi germany knew about the holocaust until they started sniffing burnt corpse around auschvitz (sp)
Mar 9 2006 2:34PM
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OsamaB
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you BASTARDS, taking credit for our handywork, how dare you,
AHA
Mar 9 2006 2:34PM
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Logchucker
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Aight I am a fan of the simplest solution usually is true, here it is simple enough to assume the planes took it out because it seems THE MOST PLAUSIBLE

I'm of the mind the government is netiher smart enough, nor does it consist of individuals who would not come forward against it. In the age of superfast infromation, leaks would have occurred, and they did not. We stupidly allowed terroism to hurt us, by thinking it can't happen here. Never forgo human stupidity for human intelligence
Mar 9 2006 2:35PM
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Logchucker
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I'm open to a real inquiry though, Its just impossilbe to gauge sources online
Mar 9 2006 2:49PM
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PacificRimJob
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From most of your recent posts, I'm going to have to say your a hypocrit.
Mar 9 2006 11:29PM
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SIX-SOLDIERS
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haahhaha i like how creative people are being with incorporating the search bar into their posts

like this kid was asking about how to cork 5 and someone was like well you tuck your shoulder and grab for the search bar and bring it around

haha i giggled to myself
Mar 9 2006 11:35PM
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lineskier582
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people have to draw conclusions by themselves and not just believe what some crazy liberal says. Listen to both sides of the argument and then draw a conclusion. If you are gullible enough to believe that bush planned 9/11 you do not deserve to speak.
Mar 9 2006 11:37PM
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gmack24
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everyone seem's to be misunderstood. Bush isn't behind this, he's a fucking puppet
Mar 10 2006 12:58AM
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Tasche
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Some points.

1) Bush is way too stupid to pull off something like this. Not saying that people in the goverment are smart enough.

2) Only idiots world be more afraid of terrorism than a car crash.

3) The vast majority or Americans are idiots.

4) Muslums have been raised to hate us.

5) Iran thinks that they should be a world super power and are willing to achieve that goal by any means possible.

6) The media can make us believe whatever they want.

7) We will never know the whole truth

8) I dont care about the whole truth

9) Have faith that the goverment has the american peoples best intrest behind every decision.

10) The goverment could give a shit less about you.
Mar 10 2006 1:09AM
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ihatemyscratches
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you should learn to accept that we're being lied to, not beleive everyhting you hear. the friction of a building falling alone with no feul is enough to heat metal much more than that. don't beleive me? bend a peice of metal back and forth and feel the part you bent. the loosening of the metallic bonds releases energy in form of heat, which insulated by ash, would remain hot for weeks. you just got bitched. I agree however that there is a TON of shit surrounding 911 that has not been truthfully accounted for.
Mar 11 2006 7:42AM
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ski@work
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WoW! - so much hate out there.
I don't like bush, It doesn't mean I hate you who do. If you're going to threaten to kill me because I have an opinion, then I guess you'd call me an infidel. Isn't that funny?? Isn't that what you hard core AMERICANS!!!! are saying is the problem with the Muslim Extremists. I'd go on and on about it, but I have to go skiing now...
Later..
Mar 11 2006 8:49AM
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--Binger--
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drama
Mar 11 2006 9:19AM
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