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Olympic Half Pipe Skiing STICKY
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why would you want pipe skiing to be in the olympics? how can you all be so short-sighted? do you really want to submit to FIS regulations, and a homogenization akin to mogul skiing and figure skating? it is clear that 'freestyle skiing' had the 'free' spirit of the sport destroyed by competitions that have become so rigorously regulated, why kill the soul of 'newschool' so soon after its birth?
stop looking for exposure without realizing the consequences of this trend to try and legitimize newschool skiing.
leave the olympics alone, to perpetuate notions of romanticism with regards to such sports as figure skating and bobsleighing. newschool skiing has as much to do with the olympics as does skateboarding.
"do a mountain dew ad, ski the olympic pipe course, then slit your wrists lengthwise."
devin blake
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
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and, if the rumours are true, and line is trying to rally the troops (kids) to get pipe skiing in the olympics, you might want to question how 'core' this company is (any company or individual) if they think that our sport will only gain legitimacy with an olympic event.
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i thought it was cooler when i was the only kid on the mountain that had twins and could ski backwards. Now theres always another one where i go, but i guess thats just progression
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thats retarded, why wouldn't you want skiing to progress. the olympics would impact many aspects of skiing. first, people would see it, think its cool, so start skiing. then they go out and buy skis , so companies like armada will make more money and progress into a better company making better skis. Also it would just gain more repsect. most people dont ski and go snowboarding b.c. its the "cool" thing to do. why would u want to limit the amount of skiers. i love going into a park and sees some sick skier and chilling with them. people the parks, and enviorment would grow and gain for the better. so, i really hope skiing gets into the olympics.
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o yea and writing STICKY in the title does nothing
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Simple equations
More Exposure= people wanting to start freeskiing
More people wanting to start+ their money= more development of skis and movies
More exposure would bring in more money
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it means theres more money in the industry, so the small companies right now get bigger, get more specific models, more new technology in the skis, and there gets to be more smaller companies.
I think that while most olympic sports are all 'ballet style' perfect control and form and whatnot, the boarding in there didnt look too restricted, i think its definitely possible for skiing to be the same way
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yeah true, i wont get any worse because of more exposure
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First of all, you don't need to quote manually if you click the "quote" link.
Second, you misunderstood. He was saying most people don't ski BECAUSE they think snowboarding is cooler.
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man i just wanna watch some sweet skiing on the olympics.
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I do want skiing to get mroe exposure, why would it matter if everyone else on the hill has some twins? you can still ski, its not going to affect your legitimacy, and if someone jsut says some dumb remark about how you ski or something, its nothing new.
Let's say now, how the mainstream poeple think that snowboarding is "cooler". You ski and the poser snowboarders say stupid things because you do, once skiing finnaly gets the exposure it deserves, your still gonna have people who hate on you, becasue your follwing a "trend" wich is kind of hard not to these days...
You cant expect skiing to progress and get lots of exposure, without getting people who hate one you for doing it.
All the pros snowbaorders still going out and kill it, because they dont care what little 9 year old Jimmy is going to do on his snowboard. If you love the sport, then the people who just come and go while skiing or snowboarding progreses, then you shouldn't care.
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"thats retarded why wouldn't you want skiing to progress."
progression will happen with or without the olympics
"the olympics would impact many aspects of skiing. first, people would see it, think its cool, so start skiing."
I dont care if you think skiing's the gayest thing in the world. I'm still going to do it regardless.
"then they go out and buy skis , so companies like armada will make more money and progress into a better company making better skis."
skis dont make the skier....skis these days are fine. I dont think a crazy correlation of the olympics having pipe skiing will result in better skis which will make you a better skier, sorry.
"Also it would just gain more repsect."
my skiing itself gains enough respect as it is.
"most people dont ski and go snowboarding b.c. its the "cool" thing to do."
i dont really give a shit what the "rest of everyone" is doing
"why would u want to limit the amount of skiers. i love going into a park and sees some sick skier and chilling with them. people the parks, and enviorment would grow and gain for the better. so, i really hope skiing gets into the olympics."
waiting in line for rails, crowded parks, hardasses, the whole fashion show that is going on, and more pricks on the mtns. causing longer lift lines and clogging up the flow in the park.
skiing doesnt need any exposure. Before freeze, MSP, twins and all that other shit, skiing was "core" Today there is nothing "core" left, just marketing from major companies and everyone and their mother thinkin' they're badasses on twin tips
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I think your the hardass here, skiing is all about being patient, and waiting your turn, you cant jsut show up to ther park and expect no one to be there
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na fuck you pipe skiing in the olympics would be sick. Not even fro expopsure but it would just be cool
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if they're jsut standing there, ask them if there going, or jsut scream dropping in
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I totally agree with this guy, there is tons of super sick sports that aren't in the olympics and are well knowed. Aka Skateboarding,climbing,surfing. They did well and they aren't in the olympics. I think that it will kinda remove the free of the freeskiing. It will establish exact and official criteria, it will root the sport into a certain position just like it did and we'll go back into the FIS powertrip and fucked up what all the guys who created it wanted.
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do you know how much money that major companys like line and rossie would make off of that it would only make this sport grow. lets all face it free style skiing is not like a underground sport or anything anymore. i mean look at ns their are like what at leat like 600 people on at all times. we need to open our eyes and realize that thais sport is growing and it cant just stay undrground anymore its time to go public and let the world know what we are made of.
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why wouldn't you want skiing in the Olympics?
when some kid is watching and sees tanner do a 1080, he will want to go out and buy a pair of twin tips if he thinks it's cool. this would happen about 1 million(probably even more) times around the world.
But what happens when you pump loads of money into freeskiing? do you sell out? No, the equipment that we all use gets better and better as ski companies start to put more time, effort, and money into their freeskiing product.
the X-games has already helped out with this a little bit more as well, but you don't seem to talk about it selling out to skiing. It's gotten more kids into it and is helping to create respect for skiers.
Also, when you look at snowboarding in the Olympics you never see a bunch of gay rules. it's pretty much like any other pipe competition but on a much larger scale. If anything, the tricks would get better instead of looking hucked.
I don't think that pro skiers would mind the extra money from exposure either.
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i dont think you can sell out man its all money that is what this world is all about
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i have a question for all of you, but i am not against half pipe skiing in any way. Who do you think would win it? most of the pro skiers smoke right, so they would be caught in the drug testing. has anyone else considered that?
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they jsut go get a park person, or soemthing, and just tell them they are ruining your fun, or jsut jib the rail they are on, they'll get out of the way...haha
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^^^^^ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm^^^^^ well i dont know what to say???? umm
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That was kind of a dumb question
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HA, end of the thread that was the BEST possible way to put it
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ski companies like armada, 4frnt, line... wont get the money because people dont kow anything about them, before i came to newschoolers i had no idea companies like line and armada even existed, the money will go to the big companies like head, k2, and rossignal, and we dont need skis to progress that badly because the ones we have today are amazing
then once skiing is popular, the marketing companies will become involved, pushing companies like k2 to make adds that will cost them money but they can do it because they will get more money, those adds will get to millions of people and people will buy skis from the non core companies making them super duper rich and also making there skis not as good because they dont see such a need to seem attractive to the core skiiers
and what makes you think that all the new skiers and probably a lot of snowboarders will be pulling sick tricks in the park, there will be hundreds of gapers crowding the mountain, that also gives the mtns more money so theyll jack there prices up just like gasoline, and then intrawest will come along and possibly screw up even more mountains
NOT A GOOD IDEA
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please don't make this a sticky...
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YOU ARE SHORT SIGHTED MAKER OF THIS THREAD
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I don't really want to make hp skiing in the olympics, because the "awe" factor is gone, most people that go skiing in my area, are shocked when they see that I can do everything that snowboarders can with my skis, and I kinda like that, cuz then everyone thinks I'm cooler than snowboarders, and I am
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Yea i think it would be kinda stupid cus it would just make skiing more like snowboarding and we would have even more posers than already there fore making skiing look bad, i remember in middle school i was the ONLY skier out of all my friends now that were in highschool they have all switched to skis except the 1 er 2 true boarders... its kinda lame cus they used to make fun of me for skiing they all suck too
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If it wasn't stickied in march, I don't think it's gonna be stickied now.
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This thread certainly doesn't need to be stickied. However, I think we certainly need to thoroughly consider the long term effects of hp in the olympics. Money should not be the reason we push for the olympics: THAT would be selling out. JibRemix has the most legit argument for the olympics, allowing athletes to represent their countries by skiing. I don't think the olympics have ruined snowboarding, and I don't think the olympics would ruin skiing. It would suck to have skiers sponsored by Conoco or Pepsodent, though.
There is always the major impact of FIS on any snowsport as well.
I don't really care enough about the Olympics to push for it myself (I don't really think it will help the sport that much) but if other people want to thats fine.
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I agree, if you really enjoy skiing for skiing, and don't simply ski for status or attention, then as long as you keep on doing what your doing it really shouldn't matter how a sport changes in the public eye.
Pro rollerbladers know that the majority of the "extreme population" has dismissed them as uncool, yet they continue to progress and enjoy their sport. On the other end of the spectrum, Snowboarding has seen huge growth, it's the cool thing to do, and brings in millions. This doesn't mean every snowboarder is out there buying the next designer one piece and matching accessories.
There are plenty of people who enjoy sports enough to continue doing them no matter what the general public's opinion tells them to do.
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i think skiing will just kinda seperate and go two ways like snowboarding has, the olympic/shaun white obbsessed crowd and the underground capita/nomis/etc who rides for fun and doesnt care.
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You're absolutely right, it doesn't affect YOUR skiing.
Who it does affect, are freeskiings best athletes, who all want (and deserve) a chance to ski in the Olympics. It certainly affects their lives for the better, so why would you argue against it when it really doesn't affect you at all?
And to the thread creator, just so you know, skateboard vert is on track to be an Olympic event by 2012 in London.
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okay sweet, so the ten rich guys that ride vert professionally will get the chance to make even more money!
skateboarding vert is going to die. i'm looking forward to it, the guys who ride street deserve the money so much more.
anyway, skiing is already very standardized in comps as it is. big airs are the same as any fis arial event. it will only make it worse.
skiing's just going to split up if it gets into the olympics. guys who compete and guys who don't compete. why would the latter not compete? because it's arials with grabs.
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I've got a solution for you, if it gets in the Olympics, don't compete.
There, now you can feel "core".
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Skiing progression is a good thing.
However, what I don't want is skiing to end up in the same boat as snowboarding, where every person you talk to knows about and understands exactly what is going on. And all the money in the world poured into the sport cannot make me have more fun skiing.
Additional publicity and money in the sport will benefit the pro athletes, not trickle down to me. Because more people buy their skis Armada will not lower their prices, that makes no business sense at all.
I don't see the progression of skiing as more halfpipe comps. I see it in having fun, doing innovative grabs, and skiing powder. I suppose I should care more about the entirety of the sport, but what skiing means is personal, and where I progress won't be changed by skiing in the Olympics.
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I agree with the creator of this thread. People have been way to short sighted about getting into the Olympics with considering the consequences.
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I agree, We just got slapped in the face that skiing isnt in 2010, and that just shows how gay that shit is, We can grow in other ways, Olympics isn't the only path............
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How about the consequences for the sport if it doesn't get into the olympics? Skier HP in the Olympics would ensure some financial stability for companies, which I believe they are lacking currently. I know a couple of the big companies are struggling for team budgets right now, I know pro skier salaries are being cut right now. I don't know a whole lot about these issues, but I am pretty sure there are some. If the sport doesn't have exposure, how is it going to survive. I'm just throwing some crazy ideas out there, and I'll try and find out some solid facts. It's one thing to say that it isn't going to affect you, but as far as money in the industry goes it will.
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more money and more people are a good thing. but you want that without giving anything up. is freeskiing really established enough to take on the FIS? snowboarding was barely established enough in the 98 nagano olympics. when people like dumont start talking about giving up judging power in order to get in to the olympics thats where you need to draw the line. 2010 might be too soon.
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I almost don't want freeskiing to grow, I think it's sick how it is. I think it's awesome when I see another freeskier because there aren't too many of them but yeah i don't really know what i'm trying to say here. But if it goes olympic, we'll get thousands more kids going out and buying the suit whoever won was wearing and twins and won't even know how to 180.
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i think there should definately be halfpipe skiing in the olympics. It would for sure bring a lot more publicity to the olympics, and would be great for the sport of skiing
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Let's try looking at it this way:
All of the top pipe skiers want a chance to compete in the Olympics. Â
Anyone who doesn't want that to happen is guilty of trying to restrict our athletes from having that opportunity. Trying to impose their restrictions on our athletes and our sport. Â
If anyone is really a "core" freeskier, they should realize that this sport was based on people having the freedom to do what they want. Well, now what the pipe skiers want is a chance to throw down in the Olympic pipe. If you really believe in keeping the sport free, then let them go for it, instead of trying to shut them down.
If you're not into it, then don't go, and don't watch it on tv. But trying to keep the pipe skiers out of the Olympics is no better than telling skiers what tricks they are allowed to do.
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And that is why i say we have a huge ski pipe event during the olympics at another resort in the area just to be doing pipe and get people talking but not have to be in the stupid olympics.
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I'm on both sides. I want skiing to get exposure but at the same time I don't want it to become all washed up like skateboarding. So I'm not too sure.
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The way I see it, we can't have both.
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as long as there are people who want to ski, there will be stable ski companies. But our culture has an abssession of progressing and expanding any and everything and its used up and worthless.
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