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Booting on skin tracks

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altarip55
Posts: 135 - Karma: 15
Just wanted to give a heads up. Booting up skin tracks is the most irresponsible, thing you could do in the backcountry. We all bust our ass to put good skin tracks in all over the Wasatch for others to enjoy. I see too many people booting all over them and wrecking them. Use the pole marks to create a boot pack. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to educate and communicate. Hope the season's going well for all and hope everyone is sending it.
Feb 27 2006 2:33AM
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KeegLove
Posts: 10166 - Karma: 55
yes never FUCKING do it its just gay and it makes it so hard for people to skin , make your own bootpack trail if u wanna hike!
Feb 27 2006 2:51AM
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PacificRimJob
Posts: 24725 - Karma: 29,936
Word.

Skintracks get fucked up in Utah and Cali backcountry too...

Its gay.
Feb 27 2006 4:13AM
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iggyskier
Posts: 10446 - Karma: 10,012
yup. Pretty fucking annoying.
Feb 27 2006 4:52AM
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industry-insider
Posts: 56 - Karma: 13
Summed Up - jibbers stay out of the backcountry.
Feb 27 2006 1:44PM
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waynewong
Posts: 1359 - Karma: 23
^ and snowboarders unless they are on split boards
Feb 27 2006 2:24PM
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yetigonecrazy
Posts: 931 - Karma: 10
hey you lazy ass skiers, if theyres boot tracks on the skin track, start another skin track, duh! what are you, lazy? you're already out in the wilderness in the winter, busting your ass for skiing, how hard is it to move laterally like a foot?
Feb 27 2006 2:35PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
I don't care. I 'll boot pack where I like thanks. But I don't live near you so no worries.

I bootpacked so many trails here, and they get skinned over and you know, I don't mind, and its ALOT more of a pain then skinning over post holes to reboot. Just chill.
Feb 27 2006 2:35PM
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hartig
Posts: 8192 - Karma: 10
haha when you said skin i thought u meant skiing at first..
Feb 27 2006 2:55PM
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waynewong
Posts: 1359 - Karma: 23
FYI - Your committing one of the biggest Backcountry gaper moves possible...what you do is the park equivalent of standing in landing areas
Feb 27 2006 3:01PM
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NoTeefa
Posts: 9566 - Karma: 129
crybabies
Feb 27 2006 3:01PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
Do you think I care that someone would think I am a gaper? I'm well known enough around here that I don't think I need to worry about it much.

And because I can't afford skiins makes me a gaper? Then I'll gape it up.
Feb 27 2006 3:03PM
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Astomp
Posts: 10090 - Karma: 344
ha ha ha thats funny.
Feb 27 2006 3:16PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
in my hometown that is.
Feb 27 2006 3:17PM
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Grimace.
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dont mess with gotama niggga
Feb 27 2006 3:21PM
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Thomson.
Posts: 4634 - Karma: 227
What bootpacking and skinning (I live in NY)
Feb 27 2006 3:32PM
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robbieA
Posts: 1371 - Karma: 30
skinning is when u put sumthin on the bbottom of ur skis so u can hike with ur skis on...i think u might have a special binding for it too (not sure never done it)....and bootpacking is just hikin in ur boots and carrying ur skis
Feb 27 2006 3:34PM
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PacificRimJob
Posts: 24725 - Karma: 29,936
Skins are these long nylon kinda things that you put on the bases of your skis for hiking.

It works ridiculusly well and saves you tons of time and energy.
Feb 27 2006 4:32PM
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waynewong
Posts: 1359 - Karma: 23
go home little boy, you have no ground or clue who you r talking to or what you are talking about
Feb 27 2006 10:42PM
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Elife
Posts: 2829 - Karma: 44
for real...jesus
Feb 27 2006 10:47PM
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TMswitch06
Posts: 987 - Karma: 11
whoa so you just slip it on the bottom of your ski and hike? I live in NY too and this is the first I've ever heard of this.
Feb 27 2006 10:48PM
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Aenigma
Posts: 11256 - Karma: 424
Around here it's not much of a problem at all, there's usually a boot pack for a little ways up the trail but then they disappear. After this weekend's trip in the backcountry I'm more pissed off at the person who made the skin track where I went, they SUCKED AT THE GAME OF LIFE! I usually don't worry about stuff like that too much, I just like being in the backcountry and having a minor inconvinience like that isn't going to totally ruin my day.
Feb 27 2006 10:53PM
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waynewong
Posts: 1359 - Karma: 23
the problem is that many of us who ski in the bc, spend time breaking trail and setting rpoper skin tracks for approaches, one good approach line can access multiple shots...but assholes who ruin skin tracks by bootpacking them make our hike up suck...

it is a simple rule of the backcountry...just don't do it...

it is the same as gaping in the park
Feb 27 2006 10:58PM
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UTskier
Posts: 743 - Karma: 158
I don't seem to run into this much, and most of the time bootpackers don't get very far, so I usually don't chew people out about it. But it is bad form, and people will get pissed about it, especially if you're bootpacking up switchbacks or something like that.
Feb 27 2006 11:06PM
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Aenigma
Posts: 11256 - Karma: 424
Switchbacks are definitely a big no-no for booting, you should definitely just walk straight up the hill if you're hiking up something like that.
Feb 27 2006 11:09PM
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Elife
Posts: 2829 - Karma: 44
if u see someone doing it, dont tweak, just tell them what it does cuz they probably had no idea, i kno i didnt
Feb 27 2006 11:20PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
MY point is. I am usually up and hiking where I go before anyone else alot fo times. They skin right up my boot pack. So I haev to post hole all over again. So in all reality they make my life harder,because I have skinned over postholes and its not near as bad.
Feb 28 2006 12:09AM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
So who are we talking to anyway? You gotta be pretty freakin badas.
Feb 28 2006 12:10AM
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sherpasrock
Posts: 2382 - Karma: 10
wtf is skin tracks and booting. i live no where near Backcountry so i have no idea what they are.
Feb 28 2006 12:18AM
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Saki
Posts: 203 - Karma: 10
skin tracking is when you put a a nylon like covering on the bottom of your skies so you can hike in your skies and booting is when you hike up in your boots.

This was said in the rest of this tread if you read it
Feb 28 2006 12:22AM
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Daniel.
Posts: 2068 - Karma: 12
wow who the fuck cares. i will boot in the wasatch if i want. sue me fucker. and by the way who cares if you think im a gaper. who cares whaat they fuckin look like jeez. im sorry but i disagree. maybe people dont want to buy skins. my they jsut like booting. maybe maybe. but you know somehting. When booting is appropriate i will do it. If it is absolutely essential that i use skins. i will.
enuff said
Feb 28 2006 12:25AM
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altarip55
Posts: 135 - Karma: 15
This thread was not to create a war, just to educate. If you can't respect that we bust our ass putting in skin tracks then go ahead make yourself look like an ass. Anyone here in Utah, including sage, collins, pollard, and many more will back me up on this. A little respect gets you a long way in the B/C. I might be the one digging you out at some point, so smarten up and mind the etiquette. By the way, if you can't afford skins does that mean you travel the B/C without a beacon, probe, and shovel?
Mar 6 2006 8:36PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
First off. I have skinned. But I bootpack, and skinner always go over my bootpack. Its the same thing both ways, but making a bootpack is ALOT harder. And its still decently easy to skin over postholes.

Last time I saw Chris he was bootpacking.

Last time I saw Sage he was bootpacking.

And I spent my money on safety gear. So I don't have enough left for skins righ tnow. So you think I am gunna sacrifice what I love because some guys thiks that he owns the mountain>?
Mar 6 2006 8:41PM
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altarip55
Posts: 135 - Karma: 15
I don't think that I own any mountain out here, and if you think I'm coming off that way then you have issues that I can't help you with. You know, nobody ever gets anywhere with this site cause nobody will ever take the time to listen and realize that they're wrong. It's ok to be wrong man, nobody ever got anywhere being right all the time. The next time I see you post holeing, wishing you sacked up and got a b/c setup, you'll think of me. So I got my way. Oh, and about the boys...you're on crack.
Mar 7 2006 11:26PM
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EastCoastPride
Posts: 11654 - Karma: 4,989
ignore gotamabcshredder. he seems to think he's the messiah or some shit because he built a few backcountry booters...
Mar 8 2006 12:10AM
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rockymountainmilitia
Posts: 2706 - Karma: 12
buddy you were just on here a month ago talking about how you were a contractor making 100 g's a year. I dont think you need a loan from the bank to get some skins. they are like 100 bucks. you are a fucken liar.
Mar 8 2006 12:12AM
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skibum193
Posts: 3737 - Karma: 33
lets all be happy in the bc, instead of getting people all pissed off. thas no fun for anyone
Mar 8 2006 12:16AM
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Vicious
Posts: 3862 - Karma: 140
Where do you think the Wasatch is goober??
Mar 8 2006 12:29AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Don't be a lazy shit, it is much easier to skin fresh pow than it is to boot, if there is a skintrack and the snow is deep, I'm booting it. If you cant get grip on the skintrack put your ski 3 inches to the left and widen the track or make your own. You probably never set a skintrack in your life and your pissed because they arn't perfect for you when you go out and skin, wah wah wah
Mar 8 2006 12:37AM
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AKFREERIDE
Posts: 1718 - Karma: 11
you know how much fuckign work that is?!?

yes were lazy, but were smart. having a nice skin track makes the outing so much more enjoyable. first off, you get more runs for your strength. backcountry powder skiing is one of the most demanding sports after the days done. you gotta drag all your shit up, hopefully in a track, then comes the fun, but its still work. and then you repeat.

secondly, its not hard to move your foot laterally, hence walking being easy. yet were talking having a a several pound hard plastic boot on, a several pound binding on at least, and about a 8 or 9 pound ski. add all of that togethor and THEN add in the powder. hopefully youll be working your ass off for powder, not ice. skinning through powder isnt easy, it takes muscle.

so next time, dont be a dick and say something that makes you look stupid. cus obviously you dont have a clue what your talking about.
Mar 8 2006 12:52AM
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montanaskier
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maybe it's wayne wong. pretty doubtful but...
Mar 8 2006 2:22AM
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hugeairkid
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If you are breaking trail that is fine....But is just considerate not to bootoack up an alreayd formed skin track. This is very annoyoying to any skinner who comes afterwards. If it is on a steep slope it is even worse cause with the steepness you need to depend more on your bases to help you grip. Less surface area equals less traction.
Mar 8 2006 2:36AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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So are you arguing it's easier to boot fresh pow than it is to skin fresh pow? I've set many a skin track and I've bootpacked chutes a couple times and I could set a skin track for hours and I can bootpack for about 50 feet uphill in deep snow before popping a lung
Mar 8 2006 3:19AM
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bass_munkie
Posts: 300 - Karma: 10
you're stupid... you just destroyed your own argument... if there's a skinned track why don't the booters move a few feet to the right and start a booted track. it's like a cycle lane, booters one side skinners other. don't get confused and get your sorry ass on the wrong side!

most of the time i've been out with me skins in europe i'm rarely on anything you'd wanna hike up neways. most of the time it's probabaly not even been skinned up much. i do get that it's different in the us though.
Mar 8 2006 9:38AM
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stoke_massive
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i dont understand any of this thread

what is a boot track? maby i call it summit different but wat does it mean???
Mar 8 2006 9:54AM
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Aseets
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Read the entire thread before posting such nonsense.
Mar 8 2006 10:51AM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
skins are 100, naxos are like 350 at least, and then boots are like 400.

And my main reasoning in all reality is because I am not gunna hit 100 foot booters and 40 ft cliffs with rondenee bindings. And have you ever started a company? thees a lot of expenses to deal with bud.

You say you are 20 something you have the mental copacity of like a 14 year old trying to be right.
Mar 8 2006 12:20PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
well if you have been to teton you would know that most everyone boot packs. And Sage uses a sled mostly but I guarentee you he isn't using those bindings and boots in Teddy bear crisis, or when he is sessioning pyramids.

And I don't mind, I love the BC and I see skinners all the time that say I am a loser. who cares. My friends can't afford split boards either so I might as well hike with them.
Mar 8 2006 12:22PM
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GotamaBCshredder
Posts: 5062 - Karma: 424
Now I am not just trying to be right Alta. My point if most days I am the first person up after it snows, and I make my own bootpack, then skinners totally fuck it up. Nothin I can do really. But then if I walk on their trails they shit a brick.

Now the other day I made a bootpack up beehive basin and hit a pow run, and came around for another run and someone skinned up my bootpack, I'm like whatever and start hiking, then some DICK skins up behind me and says I am dicking up HIS skin track? We are all trying to get to the top of the mountain and ski down, and there are different things we have to deal with.
Mar 8 2006 12:28PM
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japie99
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What kind of material u need for skinning? I ski in europe and we are all walking here. But u need special bindings and shoes to?
Mar 8 2006 12:58PM
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rockymountainmilitia
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gotamabcshredder you are such an ignorant fucken dick. by the way I have skins, alpine trekkers, my normal ski boots, shovel, probe, and my peeps and I bought it all for 500 bucks. You have this huge bag of lies which youve spewed out over NS and now you cant remember what you said. Your unbelievable.
Mar 8 2006 1:14PM
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