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Pros and reverse camber?

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Ice-Is-Scary
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So anyway I saw Pep and friends today up at alta and they were riding K2's with reverse camber (yes I know pontoons have reverse stock) but the dude he was with Mahre maybe? Had maden ak's with reverse camber. My question is, if reverse camber is so good why arn't they putting it on the skis they sell the public? Ohh yeah I'm tired of people saying their 200$ fugatives are the same ones pep/seth/exc is riding, don't kid yourself.
Feb 22 2006 4:54PM
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Aseets
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Well the pontoons will have reverser won't they? That's about all I can say about reverse camber though, like you said the only ski I know of as of now with reverse is the spatula.
Feb 22 2006 4:56PM
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wrenegade
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The reverse camber Made'n is one of only 2 examples I know of where pros have different skis than those available to the public. The other is the Prophet 150 Pollard has.

As far as the Made'n goes, I think it's just technology k2 is messing around with. It is also probably to expensive to offer a ski like that to the public because the market is so small. Especially since the Pontoon will have reverse camber in addition to reverse sidecut. I heard they were entertaining the option of offering the "tweaked" Made'n to the public as special order, but I doubt it will happen. Pretty much if you want reverse camber but a spatula or pontoon.

But for those who want to see the "tweaked" Made'n

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Feb 22 2006 4:59PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Right but dude pep was with also had made'n' Aks and they were reverse camber and supposedly K2 makes reverse camber of all the normal skis for their pros. MY question is, why arn't they selling this shit to us if it's so sweet.
Feb 22 2006 5:00PM
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JockinJLoads
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JEA BOIIII thats sick...whered u get that pic?
Feb 22 2006 5:02PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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^ started writing that before I saw yours, ohh well. Anyway those pontoons look like a fucking blast
Feb 22 2006 5:02PM
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Logchucker
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Cause they don't want another reactor
Feb 22 2006 5:03PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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k2 REACTORS WERE SIIIICCCKKK
Feb 22 2006 5:04PM
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wrenegade
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Reverse camber isn't much help outside of deep pow. It is designed for keeping you afloat, so I doubt that k2 would offer even its pros reverse camber PEs or fujatives. It wouldn't make sense. And if you just wait, you will be able to buy Pontoons with the technology. They do offer it, but like with everything, pros get it first.

And the pic came from www.sethpistol.com
Feb 22 2006 5:05PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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But in all honesty reverse camber is a proven technology, the sidecut on the pontoons is funny looking, the ski just looked like it fell off the back of a truck on the highway and got runover a few times. The sidecut looks like a big squiggily line
Feb 22 2006 5:05PM
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nothanks
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Does seth even ride Fujis? Regardless, you and vet both have valid points...but I did hear about Reverse camber or normal camber options for Pontoons.
Feb 22 2006 5:08PM
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Logchucker
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I don't get What advantege you would get from reverse camber skis, its seems like it would hinder turning ability
Feb 22 2006 5:11PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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buttering turns in pow is supposedly 5.42 times easier
Feb 22 2006 5:14PM
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PSnowSkis
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I AM PSNOW
Feb 22 2006 5:20PM
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wrenegade
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Yes is does hinder turning ability on hardpack. But as McConkey says, powder is more like water, and water skis are reverse camber for float, hence why spats and 'toons are also reverse camber.
Feb 22 2006 5:26PM
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B.L.A.K.E
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reverse camber skis pop like shit off of jumps too thats an issue for non pow riding.
Feb 22 2006 5:46PM
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schmies
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Ice-Is-Scary,
the skis they ride ARE the same skis you buy, hahahahaha. Don't fool YOURself. The example of which you provided is obviously different because the reverse camber is something to just try out.
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Feb 22 2006 5:50PM
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shawnm1260
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come home schmies
Feb 22 2006 5:57PM
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Schoening
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maybe their just seeing if it works or not?
Feb 22 2006 6:30PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Ive heard plenty of people who rode pros skis, say they are way stiffer than floor models, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass.

I've seen in person, IFSA guys riding "next years skis" and they are sandwhich instead of capped, exc.
Feb 22 2006 6:32PM
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396222687862
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i may sound stupid, but what is reverse camber?
Feb 22 2006 6:38PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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camber is "bowing" of the ski so when you arn't on it its popped up in the middle. reverse camber means the tip and tails and always in the air as if you are in the middle of a pow turn or something and your ski is arcing
Feb 22 2006 6:52PM
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bdskier
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camber is the shape of the bottom of the ski, lay a normal ski on the ground, the middle is raised because the ski curves lengthwise from tip to tail. Reverse camber does the opposite, tip and tail are off the ground. It's called rocker on surfboards and waterskis.

It is only good in pow (i have spats) decreases your effective edge on hard pack, unable to load the skis in a turn and can't absorb any bumps. Try a bumpy traverse on spats, it's a fun game. But man is it sweet in pow.

I'm pretty sure K2 is just letting their athletes test it out. I guess a reverse camber Made'n would be more versitle through pow days and chopped pow, but I think the spats are pretty much the best chopped ski out there, maybe the pontoon (haven't tried um).

My verdict, stick to spats, toons and g-funkensteins and keep a pair of regular skis.
Feb 22 2006 6:52PM
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___ASP___
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its good for powder, i think the spatulas have it too, but its only good for pow, it wouldnt work welll for park and everyday skiing
Feb 22 2006 7:05PM
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bass_munkie
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That's because companies test out next years skis THIS year on their pros. thats one of the main jobss of a pro skier, tell the comany about their product!

i don't know this but i imagine their are cases where the pro wants a better ski than the manufacturer can feasably deliver to the stores, so they build a couple of one offs. in the vast majority of cases this isn't what goes down! i'm sure if candide didn't like the new salomons they'd make him something stiffer.

what's really the point though, their are skis out there way too stiff for my liking so why should a pro ski be loads stiffer, it doesn't make it any better. the ski's on the shelves are awesome, they are soooo rad, stop worrying about it and start ripping it up with what you can get.
Feb 22 2006 7:17PM
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evtic
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My best description of my days on a reverse camber board ,not spats or pontoons, was 50/50. I loved the feel in the deep snow but hated the lack of ability to stop quick or precision turn on slightly firm snow. Dropping cliffs was a riot and arcing in the deep is efortless. Check out goode's new carbon fiber spatual designs and Liberty's "fat head" technology.
Feb 22 2006 8:08PM
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BillyGoatMan
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I think the Spatulas had reverse camber, and they were sick in pow, but reverse camber is rediculous to ski on any hard pack.
Feb 22 2006 9:06PM
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schmies
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You are mistaken on this. No really, our guys ski on the exact same skis as you would buy in a store. These MADE'Ns are for fun. That is a case of testing something different that you obviously can't buy in a store.
Feb 23 2006 4:24PM
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cobra_commander
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The reverse camber will help the ski float in powder. it just keeps the tip higher then the binding. this has simmilar results as you would get from mounting your skis further back (nobis mounts his behind sugested) or what you get with a softer tip, which is why the seths have a softer tip (corect me if I am wrong)
Feb 23 2006 4:44PM
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Anathema
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makes me think, would there be any advantage to reverse-rockering ice skates?
Feb 23 2006 4:47PM
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cobra_commander
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defenitly more crashes
Feb 23 2006 4:49PM
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C-Burg
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a god visual is shane's skis in yearbook
Feb 23 2006 5:06PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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yes I realise pros are on skis a year in advance but the skis they were competeing on last year are not the same skis that came out this year. They cheapen them up a bunch and use shittier construction methods
Feb 23 2006 5:35PM
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shawnm1260
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dude you dont know what your talking about
Feb 23 2006 6:23PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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very good arguement, valid points. I saw this years gunlabs last year, they were wider, stiffer, wood-core and sandwhich construction. Now they are still pretty stiff but a foam core and capped construction. I've never seen a pro on the same skis as floor models except for maybe pierre who has been skiing on 4 year old pocketrockets for a few seasons now haha. I've heard multiple people talk about morrisons skis not being the same as floor models and numerous other examples, I'm not just making shit up here
Feb 23 2006 7:00PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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P.S- go slide a rail and talk about how cool your jacket is, you suck at life
Feb 23 2006 7:02PM
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invaderskier36
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reverse camber what is it?
Feb 23 2006 7:13PM
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Schoening
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instead of the ski having an hour glass shape like wide at top/skinny in center/wide at bottom. it is skinny/large/large or medium if that makes sense
Feb 23 2006 7:20PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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thats reverse sidecut, reverse camber refers to the "Bowing" of the ski. The tips n tails are in the air instead of it being "popped" up in the middle, it is sunken. It pretty much mimics what a soft ski does in a pow turn arc while standing still.
Feb 23 2006 7:23PM
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lastxlight
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Also to test new technology. PS candide skis for rossignol
Feb 24 2006 11:06AM
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