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it's really pretty said when a post about blowjobs gets more attention then one about 6-7 americans losing their lives in a tragic accident.
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that's because its on every single tv station in the states

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dude that sucks, I haven't seen anything on it yet, weird, but yeah, that's real stink

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Okay, turns out it's on TV right now.

But interesting though how they make such a massive deal out of this. Sure it's really bad that 7 people are dead, that blows. But how is it any worse than 9 people who died in a Sydney train crash, or a family of 5 that die in a car accident, or the teenager flung from his car who dies on the road in front of his family. All they got was a newspaper headline.

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timmy.. my boy.. you need to understand what the fuck happened... not just 7 people died.. 7 Astronaughts, one of the most respected jobs in the world died. There are few astronaughts, and when a who crew dies (challenger, apollo summin fire), it's bad news. You and your kiwi friends don't have to understand how bad this is. isrel had their first ever astronaught in that space craft, that ENTIRE NATION, was taken in by the whole event of him beign in space. The entire nation gathered around tvs nightly to watch the lastest on his progres.. now, the see him dead. Think about that. sure, 9 people on a train sucks, so does 5 in a family, but 7 astrosnaughts, a symbol of america, die... it's bad
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Tim, you are one sad fuck. I swear.

It's more important because those human beings (one Isreali, six Americans) dedicated themselves to furthering the human species. The Space Shuttle is used to conduct experiments in zero g to develop new medicines whos chemical structures can't develop in gravity. They do experiments to develop new alloys, new techniques for rehabilitation, studies about the effects of zero g on animals and human beings. They do experiments entirely in the name of peace. They risk their lives every single time they go up. They died doing their job, not just for their country, but for the entire species as a whole. By saying that they are no more important than the average joe on the street is insanely stupid and ignorant. They are highly trained and highly intelligent individuals. They are heroes. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just... not worth the time.

NASA is the one program of the US Government which is not self-serving, they don't make money for the US, they lose it, the reason NASA exists is for humans as a whole. If we are to ever get off this rock of a planet, the technology used will have been based off of a lot of NASA's work. NASA cooperates with a lot of other nations in their work, the ESA, the Canadians, Russia, Isreal, Austrailia, etc. These countries efforts all come together through NASA's missions.

If anyone is to attempt to blame Bush for this, they will be met with a swift rebuttle from myself. Even if he were to provide NASA with an unlimited budget since his inauguration, we would still not have been able to save this mission, for we would not have been able to develop a new space shuttle, or a viable escape system FOR the shuttle.

Let's stop the ignorance and hate for the rest of the day. I'm not in the mood right now, as I fear that the same ignorance I witness from the general public on this site will cause the Manned Spaceflight program to halt, to cease to exist, and I feel that that would severly hurt the human species as a whole.
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that does suck. at least they have ruled out terrorist activities and have not tried to pass this off as an act of terror, but have admitted a catastrophic mechanical failure. and also 6 americans and one israeli died.

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the Bush administration IMMEDIATLY ruled out terrorism... they never even gave it a thought... the only people speculating like that have been the media.
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if it wasn't for NASA we probably wouldn't have Gore-Tex, velcro, mirrored lenses and other such skiing related goods as well.

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Okay okay so let's get this straight

Because those people were astronaughts, and part of an 'American symbol' and had 'respected jobs' they are somehow more important or better than people who die in a car accident or train crash?? How does that make me a sad-o?? What the hell is wrong with you guys?? You're placing one human life above another just because of their profession and nationality. You're the ones who are being arrogant fucks, geez,

And yeah, the space program made a lot of cool stuff but that has nothing to do with this.

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And Andy, be realistic. What is the space programme really doing to further human life? Sure they're spending billions and billions of dollars on space stations and research telescopes and stuff but how's that furthuring us. Sure, maybe it is but at such a darn slow pace it's going to be useless information for decades to come, probably even centeries. We don't have the technology, or as you said yourself the funds to make living on another planet even slightly plausible at this point in time.

NASA at this stage seems solely directed at space exploration rather than colonisation. Imagine the resources and time needed to make a place inhabitable on Mars. That is so freakin' many years away that it's not funny. Wouldn't the money be better off providing aid to the hundreds of people who were born with less equal oppurtunity in the world than ourselves? Wouldn't it be better developing a way to save our own planet?

And I don't blame Bush for a second for this. He's got nothing to do with it.

And to say that those 7 astronaughts lives are worth more than 7 ordinary everyday people is just stupid, I can't believe that people can seriosly think that. What arrogance.

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Feb 1 2003 8:19PM

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oh man its terible. i feel so sorrie for the family and friends of the victims i heart goes out to them. i didnt even hear about this till 4:00 when i was heading home after skiing.

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these are the 7 astronauts. my heart goes out to them and there familys, god bless

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7 respectable people died tim. and why is it different from a car crash where 7 people die?....the same reason small airplane crashs get more attention...THEY ARE SUPER RARE. if a car crash happened every 20 yrs., then yah, it would be a huge deal. events such as this one usually happen once or twice in a lifetime. thats why its a huge deal. do you put ANY thought into your posts? holy shit. not to seem shallow but they were also in a $30 billion dollar car as you would say.
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How can you call me shallow, I'm giving them the due respect they deserve, and yes, it is terrible, and so freakin' what if it happens once a lifetime. And how much dollar value can you put on a human life? I don't care if they were in a 160 million trillion dollar pocket knife, their lives are just the same as me or you or anyone on this site or anyone else in the world. And small plane crashes happen all the time. I've seen about 5 already on TV in the last 4 weeks.

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I didn't call you shallow. Read my godamned post. And, once again I say holy shit! You just repeated what i said in a argument to your first post. you contradicted yourself.
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A) I didn't contradict myself
B) I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU!

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Tim the people who died are heros. They spent their lives training as pilots and scientists. Every Astronaut puts their lives on the line going into outer space. It is probably one of the most dangerous things you can do. They are performing experiments and doing tests in the most extreme conditions. Space is the final frontier. To have something go wrong in a mission that 0928592034583 things COULD go wrong on but usually dont because these people are highly trained is tragic. Who else is putting humans into space? obviously not New Zealand. The USA works with other countries to give NASA the support that it needs to further exploration and scientific study in a place that we know very little about. Its tragic to see anyone die of course, but these Astronauts were doing this for mankind. They were performing these missions for the greater benefit of the whole world. They are heros and I will always look up to them as heros.
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those astronots were they doing expiraments for golbal warming, they where doing stuff to help understand what is happening to earth. they were heros that were in space for us, they died for human life on earth.

God Bless America and to the familys of the astronots

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heres something i souldnt say, but i will anyway:

its clear what NASA stands for now, right? Need Another Seven Astronauts

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I understand that this is a terrible tragedy and my hearts go out to the families of the victims, but it is also terrible when other people who die in horrible circumstances have their lives taken too. On Friday, 9 people died in a rail crash an hour from my house. They were on their way to work, and to enrol at university and see their families. How is this not as terrible as the shuttle crash? Just as the shuttle crash rocked your nation, the train accident did mine. They are just as important as each other. PEOPLE DIED. This is what matters and the actual serious nature of it. It doesn't matter how they died, or what country they came from, the fact is that they did die, and their poor families have to come to grips with having loved ones taken away. I'm sorry to have a big rant, but I think it's really unfair that you can value one life over another. I agree with Tim.
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A train crash causes 1 million dollars in damage and 9 lost lives. This shuttle crash caused 7 lives, 21 Billion dollars loss in the shuttle, probably another billion or so in equipment. And countless other lives lost down the line because of the loss of information from the experiments they were running.

And Tim, you are a fucking retard. Don't even fucking speak anymore. You don't read people's posts thoroughly, you twist their words around, and you generally just repeat yourself. I stated how the 7 astronauts risk their lives as their job, every time they go up, they have such an amazing chance to die. They don't get payed a whole lot, so they aren't doing it for the money. They are doing it for their love of country and the fact that they care about the advancement of the human species. Those are the ONLY reasons they go. Are you trying to tell me that the people that died in that train crash WILLINGLY would have gotten on the train for some reason if they knew that there was a high probability that it would crash? No, they probably wouldn't have. They didn't risk their lives that morning on purpose. It was still horrible that it happened, and its still sad. But those people were not the embodiment of the spirit of their country. Astronauts are the embodiment of the spirit of America. They are explorers. They risk their lives in order to make the world a better place. Little kids look up at the stars, and they state that when they grow up, they wanna be astronauts. Losing those seven people is a huge blow.

Also, the deaths of those people on the train aren't the cause of the halt of the entire manned space exploration drive. That shuttle accident basically ended humankinds progress into space.

You just really don't think things through, do you.
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Feb 2 2003 2:17AM

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CHRIST... as I read your first post Tim, it really does strike me how stupid you are...

It has nothing to do with their nationality. Hell, one of them is an Isreali... However, they embody what has always been the American spirit. Therefore making them symbols, heros.

And their profession has a lot to do with it. Yes. But not in the traditional sense. They don't make a lot of money off of their work. The reason that they do that job is because of the fact that they get to further the development of technology. Almost every shuttle mission has a huge regiment of experiments that have to do with medicine, or therapy, or other such benign subjects. All of which would most likely be able to save lives, or at least improve someones lives back on Earth. Therefore, they are risking their lives for other people. Just as we respect Police Officers or firefighters, as they risk their lives to protect US. The astronauts' JOBs are to serve US. Not just me, as an American. But US, as human beings. That is why their profession puts them above the rest.

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AHHHH! Tim, YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB. CHRIST... I reread the thread again after posting that, and I reread two of your posts about the space program.

The space program has A LOT TO DO WITH US. THEY FUCKING DEVELOP HALF THE NEW AGE MEDICINES, MATERIALS, THERAPY, AND TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ENJOY EVERY FUCKING DAY. YOU FUCKING RETARD!! Goretex came from the space program, a lot of cancer treatment came from the space program. Reserach on Global Warming and pollution comes from the space program. Half the materials we use almost every day, Kevlar, a lot of plastics/alloys, etc... came from, you guessed it... THE SPACE PROGRAM. They are studying the human body's reactions in zero g in order to learn how it works better, learning about muscle atrophy and such. They are researching ways to combat muscle atrophy, which would help people that say, are bedridden for soem reason for weeks, it would keep them from losing muscle mass. The current shuttle mission was devoted to such studies (the effect of the human body in zero g. And the effect on animals.) I don't see how your statement that the space program does nothing for us makes any sense whatsoever.

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firstly i would like to state that i greatly respect and admire all of the men and women in the space programs throughout the world. i had planned on becoming a shuttle pilot. i went to the appropriate schools and took the right programs but unfortunately when it came time to apply to the canadian forces as a fighter pilot (a necassary step) i was denied because of my eye sight. but i digress,

the word hero today is vastly over-used. i certainly am no authority on the subject, but to me a hero must be something above reproach. these 7 men and women died doing there job. was their job important? of course. were they pioneers? absolutely. are they heroes as a result? maybe. does this make them more important than you or I? a resounding no.

the arguement has been made that they are so important because of the work they do, namely experiments in the name of mankind. in what regard then do you hold the design team behind the shuttle itself? without it none of the over 100 sts missions would have occured. the totality of all the mission experiments must outweigh this single missions benefits. what if one of these designers were killed in a car accident. it has been said these things happen all the time. would you then consider them less of a hero because of the method of their death?

we need to gain perspective of what has become important both morally and socially to us. to say a shuttle disaster is more important because it is so much rarer than a car accident is to simply acknowledge that we have become too desensitized to tragedy. we all impact society is some way, big or small. the person who prepares meals for the homeless in a soup kitchen is just as important as, a doctor who saves lives in a hosptal is just as important as, a teacher who gives a child the motivation to succeed is just as important as, an astronaut who conducts experiments to benefit our lives.

let's not rate our importance based on the career we have chosen. base it instead on our heart and character.

and lastly, i've said it many times before. if you disagree with a person put forth a valid arguement instead of launching a personal attack on the individual. by resorting to calling a person sad or stupid you only expose your own ignorance and reduce the validity of your own opinion.

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Andy, I think you should take a look at what you're saying. People wonder why Americans have such a bad stereotyped nature over here, and I'm beginning to think it is because of people like you. You're flaming Tim for not listening to other people- he has respected your opinion and has given his own. I think you should listen to him for once.
Over here in Australia, we've been seeing George Bush on our television every single night talking about the threat on the American people. Our soldiers are being sent to fight in YOUR war. We are not Americans. Our Prime Minister seems quite happy to go along with whatever Bush says, but we, the people, are not. We have our own identity in this world. We lost over 100 people in the Bali bombing, and all your president said was that it was sad, but hey, Americans died too! No one seems to give a shit about the smaller countries who risk their lives too, its all about America, and I for one am sick of it! You are not the centre of the universe- there are other countries in the world and you're not that great. I think you need to take a closer look in your own backyard before you start ordering people around.
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Roswel, you put it very well, kinda what I was trying to say but you said it a lot better.

Andy, I resent your personal attacks against me but that's okay, I understand you are having your say and stand by it rather somewhat defiantly at best, you are coming across as a real fuckwit but nevermind, it's all good.

Okay. So they risk their lives in their job. Andy, I risk my life and limb every day when I walk out of my door and go to work on my sawmill. I think you'll find the statistics for injury and death among sawmill workers are somewhat rather higher than that of astronaughts. I risk my own life and the lives of my passengers every time I go out in my car on the road. I risk my life when I fly home from university to see my parents. I risk my life when I open a beer and point it at my face, I risk my life waking up in the morning, my point: LIFE IS A RISK.

And how can you call them heroes? Very well, I'm going to go out a limb and call the people that bombed the world trade center heroes. How is that any different? It's not. You're not going to like it one bit but they were heroes, they went out and drastically did something that they believed in, they intentionally made the ultimate sacrifice for their believes.

It is tragic that their lives and research were lost. It's EQUALLY as tragic that 9 people lost their lives in a train accident just outside of Sydney. Very sad. And Roswel is right. The term 'hero' is used far too liberally nowadays.

Think on the phrase: 'I am the hero of my own life' - Everyone's a hero Andy, not just the people who go up into space.

Again, I am the hero of my own life.

The low down, Andy, I'm not ignorant, you're being arrogant. You're placing more value on a human life than another human life. That's wrong. No matter what they did in their life. Roswel is right, you are as much a hero as a doctor, a train driver, a prostitute or in turn an astronaught.

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they were doing experments on global warming, something that affects all of us. at when the critical time comes, that we need to make a desicion on what to do reguarding this, you know whose research and information they'll use?....the 7 that died (and many more that didn't), so are they hero's?....maybe not today (although i feel they are.), but in teh future when they're world-class research is needed they will be.

roswell, i may disagree with what you said, but i respect how you said it, well laid-out and educated. PhattTim Just makes rash statements without really thinking. and PhattTim, if the posts above really reflect how you think, then god have mercy on your soul.
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Tim, you don't work in the same atmosphere as astronauts. You don't have to float around in suits and stay in airtight ships so you won't die. And I'm not saying this is all they do, in fact astronauts spend most of their time here and not in space.

And it's common sense there are more deaths in a sawmill then deaths among astronauts. There is a lot more sawmill workers in this world than astronauts.
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good point, i stated it above, i'm glad someone also sees it.
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My 'attacks' on Tim are backed up with facts and substance. I'm frustrated with Tim's lack of intelligence on the subject. I was tired, so I started off my posts with anger. But you people really don't read the rest of the posts, do you.

Tim made statements like 'The space program doesn't do anything for us.' without actually looking up facts on that matter. The space program does a LOT for us, and I stated that, along with an emotional response of frustration because of his rash and unintelligent post.

Downplaying a shuttle crash to the level of a common train or car crash is a horrible thing. As humans they might not be worth more (even though I believe otherwise). However, in every other aspect the shuttle crash is far more important than a train or car crash.

Another thing... Why is it that say 100+ people die in an air accident. It gets more coverage on the news, but we never hear anything from you people overseas? A shuttle crash, and we get condolences from every country under the sun. However, in an airplane crash nothing happens. Obviously the world leaders consider a shuttle crash far more important. Why?

You people just don't understand the concept that those people were symbols of America... and when they died, part of the American spirit died. The spirit for exploration, namely manned spaceflight, which is the next logical step for exploration. Without manned spaceflight, we will be stuck on this rock of a planet. America has always been about exploration, it has been a major factor in my country's history. Those people represented that. They died. That is a HUGE blow.

Also, as I said before. It might have only been 7 people that died, but what about the countless other people that could be saved by the information from the experiments that they were doing. That is lost as well.

Now I'm just repeating myself, just so you people will read my post thoroughly.
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I don't really like Tim's example of the WTC bombers being heroes. I think the fundamental difference is that bombing the WTC was not a selfless act, it was self serving and ideal serving. It did have a malicous nature on one end and a fight for belief nature on the other. But being a pioneer in space does not carry a malicous nature, it generally isn't self serving, and the developments serve the world as a whole.

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'And how can you call them heroes? Very well, I'm going to go out a limb and call the people that bombed the world trade center heroes. How is that any different? It's not. You're not going to like it one bit but they were heroes, they went out and drastically did something that they believed in, they intentionally made the ultimate sacrifice for their believes.'

So Tim, your saying that if I go out and kill 5000 KKK members because I believe it's right and just to do so, and then commit suicide, I'm a hero? I would be making the ultimite sacrifice for my beliefs, right Tim? That makes it right? NO! It makes me a ruthless killer and a commiter of mass genocide, regaurdless of how good or bad the people I killed were. What you said was complete bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

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haha and i really dont think being a sawmill worker is as dangerous as going in outerspace

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it's a different type of dangerous

....west

Feb 2 2003 5:30PM

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In response to PhattSarah's post about americans and how ruthless we are and shit... NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU... so don't think I'm an insulting you.

Guess what, Not many americans supprt the war right now either... in fact, bush's Approval rating has gone from 82% to 52% since the whole war situation devoloped. There are protest going on in hundreds of places every day. I personally have a friend in Iraq right now with the marines, and I have personal connections to 10-15 other people somehow involed in the military action.

One thing I can't stand about ignorant people from every country (yes, the US included). They judge the country on the leaders or what the media shows of it. Lets think... Afganistan, Rag Head Terrorist. England, Tea Drinking peoplw tih a cute accent. Australia, Hrdcore folk who drink lots of beer. America, stuck up pieces of shit. Is this not the stereotypes you have? Suprised if I said this is not true at all? though it takes more effort, look into the country before you make generalations about the people. I am sick and tired of people making fun of 'the ugly american', the 'rag heads', or some other thign like that. It's not true. If you believe an entire country, or even a community can ge generalized by looking at 1 or 2 % of the population is absolute crap, and you deserve to have your seed wiped of this earth.

Sorry if you're countrymen are being sent to fight 'our war'. as far as I can see, there are only american soldiers there right now, and in fact, the war is not to protect us, but our allies. If allies fight to protect allies, shouldn't other allies help out? anyone who thinks they have an opinion about the war, talk when you have 20 friends on the front line.
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Feb 2 2003 5:40PM

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very good point
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Feb 2 2003 5:42PM

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phattim doesnt understand science much.

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Feb 2 2003 6:29PM

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T-lo, it's moral question, not scientific, it has fuck all nothing to do with science.

I'm not going to argue with you guys, there's no point, all I have to say is:

No wonder the world is getting so damn fed up with America.

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Feb 2 2003 7:25PM

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He lost the argument, therefore he's resorting to saying something like that.

So Tim. How is the *cough* 'world' becoming fed up with America as a whole?
-Andy

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Feb 2 2003 7:29PM

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Tragedy to scientific advancement… yes, more tragic than nine people dying In a train crash… tragedy that 7 people died… yes but less tragic than 9 people dying… they are heroes and they undeniably contribute a lot towards the advancement of our race…but it's just not right to put a $ value on someone's life… they knew that it was a risk to go into space and they took it.. it's tragic.. but not as tragic as the starvation or thousands of people in third world countries who didn’t have any choice at all… there are no risks to take there… just ultimate death.

Everyone has an opinion. This is mine… if it actually matters.

Feb 2 2003 7:33PM

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a person who says the same thing that I believe, however in a better manner...

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-Andy

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Feb 2 2003 7:38PM

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No, Andy I didn't 'lose' the arguement, I just can't be bothered wasting my time arguing with self-indulgred amoral people.

But if you that's the way you want it then fine.

Any human life has the same value as any other life. There is no such thing as 'equal oppurtunity' but everyone certainly dies EQUAL. You can't place extra value on someone's life because of what they have done during it. That is value given by man, it is worthless.

So basically Andy, what you're saying is that if you and your whole family got run over by a big truck at 2:30pm tomorrow afternoon that your lives really don't matter that mcuh coz you weren't doing anything to further the human race right? And that those astronaughts lives are worth more than your own and your family?

I can't believe you guys think that way? It truely is a very Americanised way of thinking. And yes, the world is getting mighty pissed off with the USA, take a trip Andy, go to the Southern Hemisphere, go to Europe, see if for yourself. You are all very nice and comfortable there inside your little bubble, how the hell could you guys possibly know, you aren't exposed to it. 40 people go arrested in my capital city for throwing things at the US embassy and yelling profanities about Bush. There are protests outside your embassies all over the WORLD! If that's not grounds for being 'fed up' then you tell me what is.

Oh and by the way, Gore-Tex didn't come out of the space programme, it was developed in the late 1940's by a Du Pont scientist and was syntheised by Teflon which was discovered by accident in 1938 and used to slow the high friction process of of refining uranium. Kevlar was actually developed by the same company.

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Feb 2 2003 7:50PM

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ok i ahvent read all the posts but timmah..
you ahve to understand that because theses astronaughts do what they do for the world not just the us. that they kinda do ahve a more precidence to their deaths. as well its a rare occurance. NASA is one of the worlds best organized and error free facilites. to have their astronaughts die in this accident is a big thing. its not so much that their deaths are more important than other human beings. but that this accident that caused their deaths happened.. cause things like that hardly happen.
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Feb 2 2003 7:51PM

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thier deaths are NOT more important than other human beings, merely more highly publicised.

Oh and something else, funny this, velcro didn't come out of the space programme either, you just been making this stuff up Andy? It was actually developed in 1941 by a Swiss engineer. The original design was actually thanks to nature - but of course you know this already coz you research your facts so well *Cough* BULLSHIT *Cough* - 'Biddy Bids' whos' nice round seeds have little microscopic hooks on them can cling to things for transportation and therefore spread their seeds. This idea cottoned on and Velcro was developed originally from cotton and became the well known product that we all love. The name comes from 'Velvet' and 'Crochet' which is French for hook. Quite ingenious really, but of course you knew that already.

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Feb 2 2003 7:57PM

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Tim... *shakes head*. You take one part of my argument, but ignore the rest again. And yes, I am saying that if my family were killed tomorrow, it would not have as much effect/impact as the astronauts dying. To my frame of reference, yeah, mabye it would be an impact, however, using a general frame of referance, no, it wouldn't be as important. And you're turning this into Anti-Americanism YET AGAIN, even though non-Americans are backing me up in what I say. Seriously, fuck off with all that 'American ignorance' bullshit. You ALWAYS turn EVERY argument into that.
-Andy

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