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threejay
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what does everyone here think about it? do you believe it or just see it as another theory??



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Jan 20 2003 4:38PM
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wiener
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i believe in evolution. There is no way we started out as just 2 people like the bible says. If that were trued there would be a lot of disgusting imbreeding and shit like that.
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five0
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which would mean...wiener is my distant brother...damn
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so what are your likes and dislikes?

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Jan 20 2003 6:08PM
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crimson1080
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Yeah...but he's right. if two people were to breed an entire civilization, one it would be impossible and two, there would be serious problems which would take too long and im too lazy to explain. but it just doesnt work. i mean theyve found a skeleton for every 100 years of evolution now, how much more proof can you have??

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Jan 20 2003 6:14PM
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Whistlermann
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Also look at how technology has evolved over the past 10, 20 or ever 100 years. That shows how our minds become more and more advanced, our bodys have already evoved to their potential, and a fit body is no longer important, but for survival, the mind is... look at bill gates for example.
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Jan 20 2003 6:29PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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of course evolution happens. How else would giraffes get such long necks?

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Jan 21 2003 5:06PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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wouldnt it still be occuring in lower species though? where are the half man half monkees, and the horse giraffes? why would creatures all evolve into such distinct types? i dunno... why would it all of a sudden stop?





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Jan 21 2003 5:12PM
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GT
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For fucks sake, its like listening to a gaggle of fucking monkeys (distant cousins you know). Evolution didnt start with the homo-sapien, Adam and eve are part of the greatest story book ever written - the bible. Organic evolution is the change in a population of a species over a large number of generations that results in the formation of a new species. We have all descended from a single species. The question is how did this species first arrive on our world - my money is on those little green men.................
Jan 21 2003 5:18PM
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five0
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i think its the water bugs..little ones
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so what are your likes and dislikes?

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Jan 21 2003 6:02PM
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rebel
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Anyone who doesn't believe at all in evolution should be slapped, then slapped again.
Why do people who live in warmer climates have darker skin? It's because they have evolved for their bodies to protect them from the sun. That's not to say that there isn't a god (or there is for that matter), but you simpily can't argue it, evolution exists.
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Jan 21 2003 6:20PM
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skibum1080
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evolution hasn't stopped, it's just that we (humans) haven't been around long enough to see any changes into a more advanced species. So there is no evidence that it has stopped. Evolution happens over an immense amount of time, thus we never see any evolutionary changes in humans.
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Jan 21 2003 6:24PM
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crimson1080
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evolution in humans *has* slowed down. that's because there hasn't been any weeding of the gene pool lately. with no worries about predatorial animals, and the stupid ones not being taken out by them, we have a much more diluted species than we did a thousand years ago...so, that's one theory. that or that we just haven't been around long enough to see it. these things happen over millions of years, not centuries

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Jan 21 2003 6:31PM
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five0
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actually..youre wrong when you say theres no evolution around today..think about when the europeans came to the americas..they said the indians were huge bitches...cuz of their diets europeans werent as tall...and in the early 1900's the average mal hieght was like 5'2 or something look at that average now..i was 5'2 in like 5th grade or something
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so what are your likes and dislikes?

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Jan 21 2003 6:42PM
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skibum1080
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i find it very hard to believe that all humans have originated from one couple. that means that everytime humans reproduce, it's incest. cuase then we'd all just be one big family. yah, that's hard to believe.
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Jan 21 2003 6:42PM
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coz
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you're all assuming humans are the master species. i disagree with this ideology.. what makes us any better than a cow, or a tapeworm?
Jan 21 2003 8:05PM
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wiener
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intelligence. makes us different we have ways of sorting out problems and creating solutiions. But we also are a big fucking disease of a species because we ruin just about everything we touch for other animals and lifeforms. We are sending earth to hell in a handbasket
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Jan 21 2003 8:09PM
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Jan 21 2003 8:27PM
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wiener
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shut up you bible thumper
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Jan 21 2003 9:01PM
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TAK
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What a stupid ass question to start a thread about? That's what I think about evolution.

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Jan 21 2003 9:05PM
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PhattTim
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My $0.02: We were created, evolution isn't proven and it's a pile of horseshit, however I think we 'adapt' to our environments.

And I like what Sweetcoz said, and yeah, how are we any better than a tapeworm?

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Jan 21 2003 9:23PM
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coz
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intelligence simply makes us different.. i don't believe it makes us superior. myself being intellectual doesn't make me any better than a person of lower intellect.

PhattTim: who do u believe were we created by? and isn't adapting to our environment a small piece in the evolutionary puzzle?
Jan 21 2003 10:23PM
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skibum1080
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yah, dude, phattim, who 'created' us? and how do you explain some skulls found that were homo-erectus or whatever (i can't remember the actual name of species).

Wouldn't the 'adaption',as you say, from the homo-erectus to homo-sapiens be the same thing as evolution, please explain.
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Jan 22 2003 12:10AM
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I'm better than a cow because I choose to believe that I am better than a cow. That's all that's important to me, what I believe.
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Jan 22 2003 12:26AM
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PhattTim
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Sweetcoz & Skibum1080: I believe that we were created by God. (Go on, prove he doesn't exist, I dare ya.)

And no, adaption is somewhat different to evolution.

And those skulls that were found (I believe there were six of them?) have all been proved (every single one of them) to be exactly (100%) either man or monkey.

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Jan 22 2003 12:42AM
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evolution is the only way it could have happened....
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Jan 22 2003 2:41AM
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schlonginator
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evoloution is bullshit there is no way that it is possible. If it was something that major would be easily scientifically proven.

if we all did evolve from an ape why arn't we evolving now?? humans now have been pretty much the same for the last couple hundred years

Also the cow as we know it today was have meant to have evolved from something out of the ocean. Thus some time in the middle there would have been a creature half cow/half fish. Such a creature would not be able to survive on land or in the water. It would be too cumbersome on land and to slow in the water as well as a number of other problems. Such a creature could not have been able to survive natural selection. Thus its species would have died out and there wouldn't be any cows today!!



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Jan 22 2003 3:29AM
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wiener
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what about the manatee it is a fat slow creature. plus it took thousands and thousands of years to evolve not a couple hundred
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Jan 22 2003 3:36AM
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evolution was good, but i like in the haze better


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Jan 22 2003 3:46AM
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PhattTim
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How is evolution the only way? You can't even prove that it happened! There is no scientific evidence that it happened. The only evidence even related to evolution is that it DIDN'T happen.

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Jan 22 2003 4:33AM
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GT
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Schlonginator,

That was one of the most ignorant, uninformed pieces of shit I think I have ever read.

As you would know if you have ever read a book in your sad pathetic life evolution is a biological process that occurs over many hundred of thousands/millions of years, not two hundred. What did you expect, to wake up one morning with a 20 foot cock that enabled you to pole-vault over rivers?

Half cow/half fish????Natural selection ensures that at each stage of the evolutionary process a species is able to live and reproduce succesfully, hence penguins have 'wings' but use these for propelling themselves in water and not trying to fly like you flapping off a 12 foot kicker.

Stay in school.
Jan 22 2003 10:16AM
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coz
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how is creationism the only way? there's no evidence to prove that it is.. other than the bible, and i'm sure we all realize how flawed the bible is. i'm going to accept for a second that god created all life -> given that, where did god come from???
Jan 22 2003 10:20AM
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yeti
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All of you who have NO FUCKING IDEA HOW EVOLUTION WORKS SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW!

I can't believe the fucking ignorance of some people. This thread has mad me so mad i can't even finish this post.

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Jan 22 2003 11:06AM
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Touched a nerve have we monkey-boy?
Jan 22 2003 11:15AM
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gravteck
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Haven't we had this discussion before... I think it was under a thread named God... there was like 4 pages of posts on it.
Jan 22 2003 12:38PM
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threejay
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'i'm sure we all realize how flawed the bible is.'....please give me an example of where the bible is flawed. I'm not aware of one.



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Jan 22 2003 3:59PM
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threejay
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also, where is the evidence for evolution?? everyone of your skulls that you found have been proven to be either human or ape skulls..not an intermediate species(well except for piltdown man w/c was a pig skull..sorry). Also if a creature slowly changed one form to another wouldnt we have thousands of fossils that look like something inbetween the two. say a bird with 3/4 of a wing. Theyre hardpressed to even have one..w/c they don't. Also if an organism changes today or something happens to it those traits never get passed on to the next generation...if some one cut your leg off and you decided to have children, would you be all worried that your child would be born with one leg..of course not. So why would a giraffe with a slightly longer neck pass that on to his children.
Also Through evolution, you are saying cells can think. they can decide that they need to change to fit their enviorment. that is absolutely rediculous. Cells do not have the ability to adapt. Evolution can be no more than a theory..because the definition of science is testable, repeatable, provable. W/c evolution is none of the above.



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Jan 22 2003 4:11PM
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gravteck
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Ok... so this God you speak of... lol... anyway the Bible, so he makes Adam and Eve... and then they have 2 BOYS, I don't remember if they said they had a bunch of more kids, because people in the bible are fricken hundreds of years old and have hundreds of kids (PUHHHLEASE). Even if it was possible that is a total genetic bottleneck and they would have inbred like some guests on Jerry Springer. That was on of the failures of the ancient Egyptian civilization is that they had a lot of intermarriage and a shitload of birth defects as a consequence. I'm not usually one to quote music, but I definitely love this quote.

'Now I don't know what stopped Jesus Christ
From turning every hungry stone into bread
And I don't remember hearing how Moses reacted
When the innocent first born sons lay dead
Well I guess God was a lot more demonstrative
Back when He flamboyantly parted the sea' -Greg Gaffin

Jan 22 2003 4:11PM
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threejay
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When God created Adam and Eve the genepool was perfect. In fact everything was perfect until Adam and Eve sinned. That is why there was no problems with inbreading. Slowly over time(not evolutionists time like millions of years..rather time as in 2-5k years) things are deteriorating rather than becoming more advanced and this is the direct result of mans sin. Thus reffered to as the curse in the bible.



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Jan 22 2003 4:28PM
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PhattTim
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Gravteck. Are you trying to tell me that evolution DIDN'T lead to incest and imbreeding???? 'PuhLEEEEEASE' tell me you're kidding.

And yeah, where are all the 'in-between' fossils. There's plenty of befores, there's sure as hell plenty of afters but seeing as it took millions upon millions of years for them to evolve there should be hundreds and thousands of half evolved skeletons and fossils right? right? right? You guys got some hidden away do ya?

and yes, this thread has been done before.

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Jan 22 2003 4:50PM
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skibum1080
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phattim, if you believe in god and adaption then why didn't god just make the humans perfect so that they didn't have to 'adapt' to their environment in the first place.

and you also say that there's no evidence for evolution, then i ask you this: WHERE'S EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM? cause i really don't see any.
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Jan 22 2003 6:33PM
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threejay
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God did create man perfect. The reason man is not perfect is because of our sin. When Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden man began to deteriorate.
I guess it pretty much all comes down to faith. I choose to put my faith in God. Evolutionists choose to put their faith in Man and science.



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Jan 22 2003 6:45PM
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PhattTim
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skibum1080: You're not too smart are you. With creationism we were created as we are now, in God's own image. What proof do you need. There are skeletons of men dating back for thousands and thousands of years. How else can you prove it. The proof for it is that there's no proof what-so-ever for evolution.

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Jan 22 2003 7:12PM
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skibum1080
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go ahead, call me dumb, i could care less.

but what it all comes down to is what makes more sense to you. if evolution makes more sense, then believe it, if it doesn't make sense, then don't.

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Jan 22 2003 7:18PM
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Well, I would have to say evolution is false. If one was to compare the two without bias, creation would win.

1) Evolution has no solid evidence. All those monkey-men were fakes. Reptile-like birds can be just an extinct species of bird!
2) Evolution's reasoning isn't logical. Survival of the fittest? How did anything evolve? A fish with one leg isn't going make it very long in water or on land. And don't forget the rock that's a billion years old why? Because it was in a layer that was a billion years old! Why is the layer a billion years old? Cuz the rock is!

3)Creation has evidence, although most people don't want to accept it because then that means there is a such thing as accountability.

4)Creation's reasoning makes sense. Of course it sounds bogus if you don't believe in God, which is why evolution was founded in the first place: because people didn't want to be responsible to God. God created two perfect people without any problems physically or spiritually, but with the capability to decide for themselves. Their genetic makeup was extremely complex. They had children and so on. As the genetics in future generations became more common to other family members, inbreeding became a problem because of the genetic problems it caused. The choice to sin also had adverse affects on future generations- shortening life span, bringing disease, etc.

4)Creation explains topography questions and other 'mysteries' of evolution. Why are there fossils of sea creatures on mountains? How did the grand canyon get here if the earth is as young as creation states? The answer, plain and simple is a flood- a catastrophic flood. That would shift debris, carve canyons, and cause many other seemingly inexplainable phenomena. It would also account for the extinction of the dinasaurs.

As to that comment saying that technology proves that our brains evolve...
How do we make new discoveries?
We discover new concepts and invent new things by building on information collected by those before us. If no information was recorded, we would still be living life like the Middle Ages. To say that our brains get more complex based on the evolution of technology (which is real, evolution means 'change') could be compared to a house. A house starts out with a foundation- pretty basic. Then other layers, a skeletal structure, roof, windows, furniture are added to make it more like a house. That house, however did not evolve. It was compromised of other layers that relied on each other. You couldn't add a roof with out a frame and walls which couldn't stand without a foundation.

Even if we pretended that evolution was true, the mathematical probability of an organism evolving is beyond impossible.
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Jan 22 2003 7:23PM
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PhattTim
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haha, yeah, exactly.

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Jan 22 2003 7:24PM
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skibum1080
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When Darwin went to the galapagos islands, he discovered that different sparrows interbreeded and only the better genetics stayed, every time they interbreeded they created a new species and that the new species was better then the parents.


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Jan 22 2003 7:45PM
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gravteck
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I usually don't resort to this but, parker, you moron. Ok if your theoretical gene pool was clean at the beginning (where the fuck does it say that in the bible)? And they supposedly had the kids after they sinned! For christ sakes... find me a geneticist who says inbreeding leads to a flourishing in the human population.

Who said the fish ever had to have one leg at one moment... look at the life of a frog, egg, tadpole, in betweenish deal, and then the frog. Stages like this can exist in an evolutionary stage... and they could survive because guppies can survive.

You don't need a huge flood to put sea fossils on top of a mountain. Volcanic eruption from underwater volcanoes over time can form islands... and further fault activity and volcanic activity coupled with eachother can create a similar serrated topography.
Jan 22 2003 7:55PM
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gravteck
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Ok time for the more, from what I've seen on this board, all of the arguments of evolution fall into the five major misconceptions about evolution. These misconceptions are:
- Evolution has never been observed.
- Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
- There are no transitional fossils.
- The theory of evolution says that life originated, and evolution proceeds, by random chance.
- Evolution is only a theory; it hasn't been proved

I'll address 1, 3, and 5... and if you want to argue 2, you're gonna get owned by me... you've been warned.

Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. An example would be the way that insects seem to become less vulnerable to pesticides over time. Most of you creationists aren't going to dispute this. But you can't stop at this level, you have to continue further. You have to appreciate that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor.

Evolution has actually been observed, in the field, and in the lab, go to your library and look at this source: (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, 'Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory.' Evolution 46: 1214-1220).

Even if this wasn't true, who said you ever had to physically observe evolution unfold for it to be true? One must analyze fossil record, comparative anatomy, genetic sequences, geographical distribution of species, etc., and these predictions have been verified many times over. Evolution is not so complex that a cat is going to turn into a dog... in fact, if a cat turned into a dog, this would be something to disprove evolution.

Definition of a transitional fossil: A transitional fossil is one that looks like it's from an organism intermediate between two lineages, meaning it has some characteristics of lineage A, some characteristics of lineage B, and probably some characteristics part way between the two.

There's nothing in the theory of evolution which says an intermediate form (or any organism, for that matter) can have only one line of descendents, or that the intermediate form itself has to go extinct when a line of descendents evolves



Jan 22 2003 8:15PM
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gravteck
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Basically... one specific animal doesn't have to turn into the new fish, or the new land animal. And paleontoligists have found transitional fossils, even by restrictive definitions. If you are looking at an argument that cites stuff in the Origin of Species, this source is pretty deprecated on that topic now.

The misconception about the lack of transitional fossils is perpetuated in part by a common way of thinking about categories. When people think about a category like 'dog' or 'ant,' they often subconsciously believe that there is a well-defined boundary around the category, or that there is some eternal ideal form (for philosophers, the Platonic idea) which defines the category. In truth, categories are man-made and artificial. Nature is not constrained to follow them, and it doesn't. Something doesn't have to be 100% bird, or 100% reptile, in fact they usually are a mixture by taxonomical standards.

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'Some Creationists claim that the hypothesis of punctuated equilibrium was proposed (by Eldredge and Gould) to explain gaps in the fossil record. Actually, it was proposed to explain the relative rarity of transitional forms, not their total absence, and to explain why speciation appears to happen relatively quickly in some cases, gradually in others, and not at all during some periods for some species. In no way does it deny that transitional sequences exist. In fact, both Gould and Eldredge are outspoken opponents of Creationism.


'But paleontologists have discovered several superb examples of intermediary forms and sequences, more than enough to convince any fair-minded skeptic about the reality of life's physical genealogy.' - Stephen Jay Gould, Natural History, May 1994
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Jan 22 2003 8:20PM
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skibum1080
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word to that gravtech, word to that.
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phattim, i have my world history book right here in fron of me, and there's a picture of two skulls of neanderthals. the caption says this:

Homo neanderthalensis fossil skulls found in caves in France resemble the original fossil skull from the Neander Valley in Germany. Neanderthals were short, sturdy hunter-gatherers.
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