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invasion of iraq would be suicide?

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Pipe_Munky
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what the fuck? saddam really has some issues he may want to get checked out. he said 'Everyone who tries to climb over its walls . . . will fail in his attempt'. why the hell would the US climb over walls? wouldn't they just knock them down or blow the shit out of bagdhad(sp?) before sending troops in?



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yeti
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oh christ...he was being deep...apparently you missed his historical references.

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yeti
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like he would go on iraq television and be like 'Come on over U.S, we'll bend over and take it dry! Hail bush!!'

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Jan 17 2003 8:39PM
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SUpilot
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pipe monkey...are you serious?
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Jan 20 2003 12:45AM
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andyrightcoast
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It's more of a publicity stunt to rile up his people more than an attempt to 'intimidate the US'...

In my personal opinion I believe the situation is a lot less tense than everyone seems to believe. If we really really wanted to completely wipe them out, why would we go through all the trouble of announcing our plans to the entire world, with deadlines, giving him time to get ready? (and don't give me that bullshit about how 'evil and deceptive the US is trying to be) I think that the State Department is actually trying to work things out behind the scenes. We have to remember that everything we see is filtered 10 ways before it even gets to the TV stations for broadcast.

Hell, looking at some of the idiots that are looking to become candidites for the next presidential election, I'm sorta glad Bush is in office. Hell, imagine if Hilary was president.

Hilary: 'Fire up the nukes! Its time to blow the fuck out of Craplakistan'
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Jan 20 2003 1:27AM
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Pipe_Munky
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sure the US could go in and wipe them out but you need to look at everything on the large, world scale. how would the US look if they just went in and took over iraq? not too good. by giving iraq warnings, they can at least say they were being diplomatic about the whole situation!




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Jan 20 2003 9:00PM
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Diabhal
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Both sides are buying time, it takes time for the US to build up troops, sure they could start blowing the shit out of everything but there's no point in risking pilots with an exclusively pre-emptive air war. And saddam needs to try seem like he's the darling of the world so he can get the Arab people to rally behind him when he trys to get isreal involved in the war(a much easier task with Sharon in power). Note the sudden more aggresive tone taken when Israeli elections comming up where sharon may be replaced with a more sensible leader. Saddams only chance to win woulod to have the Israelis attack him and thus get the arab world to side with him(all the leaders of the countries might hate his guts but if Israel gets involved they'll baisaicly have no choice). The states are now trying to slow down the war pace untill the isreali elections(which should be happening Jan. 28th). The states are afraid that Iraq will send scuds into israel again and that sharon doesn't have the sense to refrain from action. Benjamin Netanyahu on the other hand would. Just my two cents.
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Jan 20 2003 9:48PM
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i would just like to mention that i read today that al sharpton is planning for a run at the precidency in 2004, i too am glad bush is in the office now cause the futre isnt looking to bright
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SUpilot
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yeah i'm with ya on that one
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Jan 21 2003 9:18AM
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Jan 21 2003 10:29AM
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rockymountainmilitia
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buying time is bullshit, buying time is what caused the halocaust. the us government is a bunch of oil hungry fuckers. like 1 percent of the money for oil in iraq is gonna be used to liberate iraq and the rest is comin home to feed general motors and the rest of the industrial giants. its political bullshit. bush doesn't even have to say why he is attacking the us. the weapons they have found are not weapons of mass destruction and are in a junkyard. the us sucks. there economy is collapsing internally and soon there will be a new superpower. probably some middle eastern country so canada need sto distance itself from the usa and become better allies with other countries.
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Jan 21 2003 1:47PM
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andyrightcoast
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wow... another dumb liberal. Are they multiplying? Why can't the smart ones multiply and the dumb ones just shut up.

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Jan 21 2003 3:45PM
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SUpilot
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hustlers dont die, we just multiply
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Jan 21 2003 4:12PM
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Dkr
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ingnorance is bliss. I bet mister rocky mtn is cdn...and french...
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Jan 21 2003 4:29PM
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KWagner
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Hey Andy... i thing that 'smart liberal' is an oxymoron
Feb 28 2003 9:07PM
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Mad-Tweakage
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We have never and i doubt will ever take over a country we have defeated in a war. Thats not what its about.
Feb 28 2003 9:38PM
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SUpilot
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right...plus if you say we are going into iraq for the oil......then why the heck didnt we just take control of it in the gulfwar? the answer is because its not about the oil.
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Feb 28 2003 10:00PM
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timbojones
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Ignorance is bliss? Do you know what you just wrote? That line means your better off not knowing the truth, or given facts. So your saying Any given american is better off not knowing about this war, or important political facts. I bet you are ignorant of the true definition of that philosphy.



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Feb 28 2003 10:12PM
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SUpilot
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ha
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Feb 28 2003 11:57PM
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Aspen23NYC
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this isn't about oil...we can get that elsewhere. the united states sees itself as the policing superpower of the world and needs to involve itself in everything it can to divert attention from the internal problems this country is experiencing. bush's problem though is that americans no longer want this war and now he's screwed. and why would anyone be glad this idiot is in office? do you realize how negatively the rest of the world now sees us? we look like we're attempting to achieve world domination to them.




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Mar 1 2003 12:55AM
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Parkboy
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When theres a problem it needs to be fixed, you can't just hope for the best. That's what France does. They think everything will be ok. They didn't want a war in world war 2 so they did nothing, and look what happened. So now France is doing a similiar thing. They don't want to help our country after we saved their ass in world war 2. 'Oh well lets just let Iraq build weapons of mass destruction, ofcourse I don't think they will ever use them.' France is so lame. They always dig themselves in a hole then we dig them out, then they go ahead and start bitching at us when we want to fix a problem. They should just forget about anything that goes on outside their country so they can pamper their ass and make their wine and pastrys.

Mar 1 2003 2:30AM
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andyrightcoast
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I find it curious that one of the main French oil companies is the major oil extractor in Iraq. TotalFinalSyn or something to that nature is what the company is called. They're the main exporter of oil out of Iraq ( I wonder where that oil's going... hmmm... I wonder why France wants to stay out )
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Mar 1 2003 2:34AM
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Pipe_Munky
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then i hope the US tells france to go fuck itself after iraq falls! france is nothing but a bunch of little bitches that have no loyalty to its allies!




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Mar 1 2003 2:57AM
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no loyalty to allies...i will pretend that nodoby said that. so how about that local sports team?


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Mar 1 2003 3:22PM
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nipe
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not so fast.. you have to realize the situation the french are in... they have a tight money supply and they cannot really afford a war right now. they (along with other allies) are opting to wait 4 months. Just remember that in WWII when everyone was deep into the war we didnt jump into it right away either. We tried to stay out as much as possible. Dont piss on the french just because they opt to stay out at the moment.. they have good reasons for it.
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Mar 1 2003 3:41PM
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SUpilot
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i dont know Lloyd the french are assholes.
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Mar 1 2003 5:23PM
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petek
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if the us stage an invasion, i guarantee you, the un will be opposed to it, so they will fail pbly, or have another vietnam



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What_A_Wookie
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I like how the Americans are broadcasting their plans to everyone...i wonder if they are true or they're just trying to show might to our people? But 5 aircraft carriers in the region is pretty fucking serious...thats world tour quality right there
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Mar 1 2003 8:53PM
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petek
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'The US plans to scretly invade iraq on the 20 of march, 2003 at 10:00 est'



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SUpilot
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sounds like a big secret petek...another vietnam?....please tell me you didnt say that, lol.
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Mar 1 2003 10:08PM
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petek
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SUpilot, the thing with you is u think ure smart, but the fact u didnt know i was joking makes u 1 of the most arrogant and ignorant fucks in this site.



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petek
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no offence



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lineskier10
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yeah i think we should just take out France while were takin out iraq
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Phrosty
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damn i wish i would have gotten into this thread when it was young. But this will have to do. OK sadaam is trying to convince the iraqui people that the us hates them and wants them to die. But we only want him to die. Secondly sadam is such a pussie he hides behind women and children. Ok next, the iraq take over will last a weekend. We move in, pop a cap in his ass and put somedude we like in power, steal their oil, and then leave. Ok, now rocky mntn, shut the fuck up, if i ever saw you i would knock you the fuck out, saying the us is losing control? fuck that we control the world! and canada, if we say jump you don't even ask how high you fuckers just start jumping, if we say hand over the trees you give us your fucking lumber. Christ people we go to war for a reason, to make our lives better. if you don't want too reap the benifits of war move to canada and be our bitch. who wants to counter? speak up pussies.


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nipe
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people are overreacting about the french. I think you guys should step back and take in the whole view of things before making assumptions and comments.
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action is the only thing that gets shit done steping back will only delay the inevatable.


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i'm so over this bush vs iraq thing. This topic is truely overrated



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Mar 2 2003 1:57AM
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andyrightcoast
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Another Vietnam? Hardly. We commited about 5% of our military might to Vietnam. It was a halfassed war fought by armchair generals.

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Mar 2 2003 2:20AM
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What_A_Wookie
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true andy...and true phrosty...good job
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Mar 2 2003 11:15AM
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petek
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phrosty, thats the 12 year old kid version. The point is, they want to occupy iraq, and put in either another new pro american dictatorship, or a democracy. This is just to make it seem that they want more then oil. Second, saddam will burn all the oils wells, like he did in the last gulf war, makin gas prices jump up. It wont take a weekend, because most of the fighting is to take place in baghdad, which will have severe losses on both sides. This isnt somalia, Saddams republican guard has the experience and training to take down there fare share of marines.
The french and germans are smart. War is completely useless to them, because they would rather prevent terorist action than provoke it. IF the us invades iraq, i can almost guarantee you, that there will be more attacks on america.
Saddam is pretty smart, he knows a war is coming, but he is gonna try and bring down all support for the US. And He asked to debate president bush, but of course the moron has turned him down, because he doesnt want to lose. Plus there are so many ppl opposed to the war, and such strong views on it, that it could cause a political civil war.
Phrosty, if u lived in iraq, you would be one of the many civilians that are going to die. And for what? This is the most pointless war on the planet, since the us invasion of peru.



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anyone know the last full hearted thing france did..with out delaying?
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andyrightcoast
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petek, once again, another person spouts off without facts.

Even IF Saddam burned the oil fields, our gas prices would not be effected because we do not get oil from Iraq.In fact, we import much less oil than people think, and less than 5% of that oil comes from the Middle East at all, it mostly comes from Venezuela. The reason gas prices have been shooting up is because of the strikes going on in Venezuela, not because of the Middle East thing.

And once again, I will state, this war has nothing to do with oil, as I have stated a million times in the past, and backed up with a million different facts.


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Mar 2 2003 1:09PM
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Mad_Trix540
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anyone who beleives this war is over Iraqs oil feildsdoesnt know shit about whats really going on. think about it this way, if Iraq burns the oil, the United States economy would loos something like 380 million dollars worth of oil. this war could cost the United states over a trillion dollars. so if you think the war has ANYTHING to do with oil think again. the war is for the safety of the world againts a fucken terrorist.


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Mar 2 2003 1:52PM
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andyrightcoast
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... did you read my post? If Iraq burned the Iraqi oil it wouldn't huurt the US in the least bit.

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Mar 2 2003 2:14PM
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SUpilot
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the primary clients of iraqi oil is france. that is why they didnt want to get involved. not only that, but france is also selling arms to iraq.
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Mar 2 2003 3:46PM
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petek
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OK, we don't get very much oil from venezuela, it just passes through that country. And about the oil prices, if saddam burns the oil wells, it will create i higher demand of oil from other countries. More demand+less competition=higher prices. Its as simple as that, it doesnt directly affect the gas prices, but it sure does affect it.
If you want another example of how that works, then read this. think of a natural resource. There are 2 main places where you can find this resource in 2 different countries. You are enemies with 1, so u must get that natural resource from the other 1. Imagine that the supply from ure enemies resources just disappears. The natural resource value would more then quadruple in the other country, because you have twice as many ppl needing that resource, and 1/2 of it gone(not to mention there is now a monopoly). That is the simplest way i can say it.



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Mar 2 2003 7:15PM
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petek
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oh yeah i forgot 1 thing. If americans do attack iraq they will try and instate a new pro-american dictator(another saddam hussein). In the short term, attacking iraq will raise gas prices, but in the long term with a new place to get oil, gas prices will slowly decline.
I know this war has other parts then just oil, like trying to keep america safe, installing a new gov't for humanitarian reasons etc, but dont be so naive. Another main reason is economy, there was little bush could do to stop, the horrifyingly bad economy(and its that bad), war will help out the economy. Unless ure stupid, u don't need that explained.



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