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Alpental BC... ???

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wolfbird
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What is up with Alpental BC?! I have been skiing at other areas in this state and others for the past few years and never have I run into such a ridiculous BC policy. I would like to hear what some other people think… why you agree or disagree with the policy… I obviously think it is lame.
Jan 11 2006 12:18PM
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Brit1275
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What policy do you speak of? Is it still closed?
Jan 11 2006 12:25PM
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wolfbird
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Alpental’s BC is still close, yes… but the issues is the way they handle their BC.
Jan 11 2006 12:31PM
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NBCskier
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well it has been closed because it was super dangerous, due to snowpack levels. Use your brain you jewbag.
Jan 11 2006 1:39PM
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wolfbird
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Super dangerous snow pack... hummm didn’t expect a response like that. I would like to know what formal training you have on avalanche conditions and why “you think” the snow pack is dangerous… In the past few days yes I would say it is dangerous however, not the past few weeks the snow pack was relatively stable. We are in the Pacific North West one of the most predictable snow packs around.
You should maybe check the avalanche forecast or gain some backcountry knowledge before you make bold clams and sound like an idiot.
Jan 11 2006 2:05PM
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k2skier420
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you should go home and go to a 40+ and over web forum
Jan 11 2006 3:46PM
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wolfbird
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Dirka... I guess you are right, why would care about skiing powder? I am posting to get people talking about the problems at that mountain. It is the only way to change things.
Jan 11 2006 4:14PM
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passion4this
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I don't think he's the one who sounds like an idiot... I think you do for totally disregarding what he said. I believe that he was referring to the past couple days when he was referring to dangerous snowpack because (correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going to admit to not having any formal training) there was a shitload of powder in a dump then it rained on top of that, then it snowed a shitload more making the layering be heavy powder, ice, more powder making it prime conditions for giant slabs of ice to break away. and as for the last few weeks, I cannot comment because I havn't been following it a ton but didn't it rain a lot?
Jan 11 2006 4:49PM
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laughdamon
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Alpental can't support BC as well as some of the other places (crystal for example.)
Jan 11 2006 5:16PM
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wolfbird
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Sigh… I guess you no one here cares about the “Policy” that was the topic. Not the snow pack, I said “In the past few days yes I would say it is dangerous however, not the past few weeks the snow pack was relatively stable.” So I guess we agree the snow pack is dangerous right now, but hasn’t been the past few weeks like I said before… if that makes us sound like an idiots run with it.
Jan 11 2006 5:23PM
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wolfbird
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I agree 100% many other mountains have found better ways do deal with their backcountry.
Jan 11 2006 5:25PM
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wolfbird
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I do look like the idiot for sure- look at all my typos.
Jan 11 2006 5:31PM
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NoTeefa
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if you got a problem with it then poach it you sissy old bastard. Just don't expect ski patrol to come save your ass when you get stuck back there
Jan 11 2006 5:54PM
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wolfbird
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I do... this is pointless.
Jan 11 2006 6:14PM
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snowsnowsnow
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people are always ducking the ropes and falling off hundred foot cliffs there and dieing..........just a guess?
Jan 11 2006 6:16PM
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laughdamon
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"Walter, whats your point?"
Jan 11 2006 6:17PM
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Schmitz
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why can't stevens have sweet good backcountry like crystal baker and alpen
Jan 11 2006 7:13PM
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skier_boy26
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dude the snow is so unbelieveably unstable. there are so many various layers, heavy-light-heavy-light. many have different water contents. theres been a shitload of wind
unless you want to die, stay out of the BC for a couple of weeks. there is a lot of snow and it is faaarrrr from stable
Jan 11 2006 8:10PM
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skier_boy26
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just today i was setting off night slab slides. i set off a slide (small and short lived) with a 2ft crown in bounds! it was nuts
Jan 11 2006 8:14PM
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skier_boy26
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night=nice

and yea, we have semi predictable snowpacks, and so right now, its easily predictable that it isnt safe!
Jan 11 2006 8:17PM
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wolfbird
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And that is why the BC has been closed all year? The issue here was the policy and what you think of it.
Jan 11 2006 8:22PM
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skier_boy26
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perhaps, but when you complain that its still closed as of right now, thats where youre being a fool. untill recently, there wasnt much snow, and there has been a lot of rain. although not avy danger persay, there are other dangers with low snow conditions and such, which could keep it closed.
Jan 11 2006 8:24PM
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zerospinskier
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theyll open it when theres enough snow to make it worth it. and y would u want to ski the powder they have now? its hte wettest, heaviest, shittiest snow for BC skiing. all ur gonna do it rip ur knees off. it wouldnt even be fun. then there ull be a shit load of rocks, i mean there r still a shit load of rocks in bounds. soo just wait till theres actually snow and its actually light, well lightish because "light" dosent exist at snoqualmie
Jan 11 2006 8:52PM
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skier_boy26
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what is more crazy is this!

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Jan 11 2006 10:07PM
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snowsnowsnow
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whoah two proposed lifts?
Jan 11 2006 10:50PM
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NoTeefa
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that would be intense
Jan 11 2006 11:13PM
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kevywevy
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wow very nice grant!
story here for anybody that wants to read it

http://powdermag.com/features/news/alpental/index.html
Jan 12 2006 1:42AM
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NBCskier
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how is it that this nigga thinks he knows everything, when everyone else is saying the complete opposite.
Jan 12 2006 2:00AM
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Brit1275
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What exactly is the policy that you're so against to? them being closed isn't a policy, and I don't know what it is up there.
Jan 12 2006 12:24PM
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dylanflint
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wait wouldnt the middle lift go over that massive cliff at the top

thatd be nucking futts
Jan 12 2006 1:00PM
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enick
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haha, nucking futts.
Jan 12 2006 1:20PM
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NWBakerBoy
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i have been at alpental a lot in the last week. i havent gone out of bounds once and it still kicked ass. if you are unable to find any good lines in-bounds then you are just stupid
Jan 17 2006 1:08PM
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Brit1275
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snake dance snake dance snake dance! who needs BC?
Jan 17 2006 1:31PM
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apesteadlives
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the bottom line is that alpentals ski patrol sucks, if they were as good as patrols at real mountains, big mountains like in utah, it would be open, i believe that the reasoning for closing the bc so often is to hide the obvious inadequacies of patrol. so yes, i believe their policies are bad and they need to get off there ass and get out in the bc and get it open. if they did there job and made sure it was safe, people wouldnt have to duck ropes and get hurt.
Jan 18 2006 12:53PM
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cobra_commander
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I donot think it has ever been the job of the alpental ski patrol to control that area, they do however bomb it ocationaly, and they will resque you if you need it, unless it is closed.
Jan 18 2006 8:49PM
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Brit1275
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Yeah, patrollers are for inbound runs only, it really isn't their responsibility at all to monitor BC at all.

That aside, the Alpental patrol, at least to me and Kevin, seem FAR more qualified at their job then the rejects at Central/Hyak/West. Few weeks ago, we were trying to help a kid that had slid too far down near a cliff over in the bowl, patroller came, he was nice, very helpful, not an idiot/dick.

In contrast, at West when Chris broke his tooth out on the box and I was filling out his injury report form in the patrol hut, the patroller did not know where or what the "Terrain Park" was, nor was he aware there was any kind of competition going on that day. Similarly, when Kevin broke his collar bone at the park at Central last year (or was it a year before that?) same thing, the patrollers in the hut didn't know where the terrain park was, I had to show them on a map from like the 60s they have there, and I knew more first aid then they did.

I'm glad I ski with Kevin, he has more formal first aid training than the patrollers there.
Jan 18 2006 9:01PM
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snowsnowsnow
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i broke my wrist there at the beginning of the 03 04 season. i was just layin around the the patrollers office for a while, sleeping and whatnot because injuries take all life out of you. Well, im laying there all hurt and stuff, and the patroller is telling me stories of people breaking their femurs "all the time" at night there. He was going into detail and stuff, it was not cool.

In contrast, when i broke my other wrist at stevens the season before it, the patrollers were going nuts, putting like an oxygen mask on me and stuff, and bracing my neck cus they thought i may have hurt my neck.

Both times were wack, i hope i never get injured again
Jan 18 2006 9:07PM
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kevywevy
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i think the only reason he wasn't a fucking retard was because he was one of the cool patrolers with the dogs.

we constatnly see patrolers at every mountain including alpental that are too old, fat, poor of skiers to ever actually help you. just make sure you never depend on the summit patrollers for anything, especially your life!
Jan 18 2006 11:43PM
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skithebigA
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Wolfbird is a fucking jew
Mar 22 2007 8:30PM
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NoTeefa
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you just want Kevin to have to give you CPR
Mar 23 2007 1:12AM
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cobra_commander
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Hahaha
Mar 23 2007 1:39AM
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kevywevy
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want?


or


has gotten every night since we move in together?
Mar 23 2007 1:58AM
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skithebigA
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whats wrong with getting a little fucking card, they dont require a becon shovel or probes.
Mar 23 2007 2:28AM
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Brit1275
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since we talk like hachi roku des now?

pipe slideeeeeeer!
Mar 23 2007 10:59AM
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Skillz
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Here's my take on the whole deal:

I pretty much agree with the above statement.  I have witnessed and heard of way to many inadquacies with Alpental ski patrol.  This year alone I still haven't recieved my backcountry pass because every time I go there they have run out.  At one point they were even issuing code words if you were to run into a patroller in the BC because no one had passes. 

Although I haven't been to the Baker BC, I have heard that every single rider must have all the gear (shovel, probe beacon) before entering the backcountry and that it is monitored.  When Alpental patrol does decide to monitor the BC, how is it supposed to be monitored if there is no solid policy or precedant?  What Alpental needs is a strong BC policy that they can enforce, then at least the rules are clear!  As of now, it is confusing and disorganized.  I have definitely seen people in the BC that shouldn't be back there.  Several times I have seen people on the high traverse that were scared shitless and had to drop back down into International because the traverse was too narrow for them.  If you cant handle the traverse, I dont think you can handle the BC.  I have also heard stories of people breaking their backs and the ski patrol telling the injured person that they could be permanently paralyzed as the skier goes into shock...wtf?  Oh yeah, his friend had to carry his shit down too, the ski patrol forgot.

Anyone want to add some positive Alpental ski patrol stories to contradict my stuff? I love Alpental, I just wish the BC policy was better managed.
Mar 23 2007 5:02PM
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Ryanvdonk
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baker also requires you to have a partener
Mar 23 2007 8:33PM
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Casey
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patrollers seem pretty lax to me, see them occasionally in the BC, they're chill. and plus, they make the traverse, so we don't have to do that shit ourselves.
Mar 29 2007 3:07AM
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coolhandluke
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^ yeah they do seem sloppy.

today with the high temps a big natural release occurred and took out the high traverse. and yet tons of snowboarders were still trekking into the BC without a pack and patrol didnt seem to care.
Mar 29 2007 9:12PM
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