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The nothin but troubles are a more cheeply made version of the tm and when I flexed them in the shop they were just a hair stiffer than the TM's. The crichton pors(which I have) have an extra layer of fiber glass in them and makes them stiffer than both the tm and notin but troubles, but only have a medium flex while the tms and the nothin but troubles are soft. Each ski shares the exact same construction as well.