Loose Change Conspiracy Documentary

the twin towers falling is what gets me,why is it so perfect, great movie made me think

Alright Skierman!!! Love it when somebody puts crazy conspiracy theories in their place. Excelent work!

Skiierman,

You have pointed out a few good points, and I agree with some of your statements, specifically the point about the lamp posts that were knocked down and the plane's backwash knocking the cars off of the road. I agree that there is no marker to tell which way the posts actually fell. And yes, the plane wouldn't blow the cars off the road if it flew over them (but I think he was making a point about the plane sliding on the ground before it hit, like the reports suggest.

Let's go through picture by picture:


#1 Set of Photos (poor quality) of plane hitting tower.

Now I agree that these are very bad quality for deciding when the plane actually made impact. But I can say this. Do you see the orange light? Aluminum encased carbon in the nose of the plane does not create fire or any explosion on impact with glass, steel, and concrete. There is no fuel stored up there either. Fire requires a chemical process know as combustion. Combustion requires 3 things: Fuel, Oxygen, and an Energy source. There is obviously nothing there to provide as a fuel source (or an energy source for that matter)... so where did the fuel come from to make the orange flash???


#2 Picture of the 2 smoking towers.

I see you have circled 2 grey smoke clouds. That is all I can see other than a little debris coming off the top of the right tower. And if you are referring to the towers collapsing, your circles would leave one to believe that both fell at the same time. And also I cannot tell by those pictures that towers are even collapsing at all. Sure some debris is going to fall off... they were hit by airplanes.


#3 2 Photos showing Light Posts

I completely agree with you that there is know way to tell which direction the poles are going. So yes, it is a very weak argument. But in regards to:
"The plane did hit the lawn right before it hit (as shown in the building’s security tape) but didn’t fully impact the lawn like in the airplane crash landing he showed for a poor example"
Could you see anything in the security tape...? I saw nothing... then fire. No plane, nothing at all. You mean the government couldn't release one single frame of part of the plane making impact??? Just one. 6 frames instead of 5? Oh yeah, "was" is a singular verb, and "pieces" is a plural noun.


#4 Test plane being crashed into concrete wall.

Yes that is not a 757. But just incase you didn't know, all airplanes are designed basically the same, with the exception of F-117 stealth. The wings are weakly attached to the fuselage. The basic construction is a titanium/steel frame with an aluminum casing. The wingspan on that test plane appears to be smaller than that of a 757, so actually the wings on the 757 that supposedly hit the pentagon should've broken off slightly easier (due to more torque on the wing attachment).


#5 Box shrouded in Blue tarp.

I thought it hit the pentagon, not Area 51? People can't read important documents from outside of the perimeter.


#6 Piece of circled wreckage in the background

That appears to be the size of a Pontiac sunfire. I hope there are 30 more Pontiac sunfire sized pieces laying around. You're generalizing the size of the wreckage based on one piece. Clearly the other photos show that there are very few pieces that size.


#7 White military trainer aircraft

That picture is just serving as reference to the aircraft parts found in the wreckage. I don't think he's implying that is what hit the pentagon, just the fact that, a different aircraft would have to crash in order for those parts to be present.


#8 2 Photos of pentagon windows

Fire can be seen inside of those windows. There is barely any structural damage to the outside. If a 757 would have hit the exterior of the pentagon, surely there would be more superficial damage to the area around the hole.


#9 Plane with broken nosecone.

Again all commercial aircraft have the same basic structure. Frame with outer aluminum or carbon casing. He is comparing a scenario, not an exact condition.


#10 Plane blowing car off runway.

I completely agree with you.

my arguments:

i think that it is really weird how JUST on 9/11, the cameras that were on top of the TWC buildings wer shut down, what the fuck is the probability that the same day a plane flies into the building

you can clearly see that as the building is coming down, there are explosions of some sort, 5 to 6 floors below it

how the fuck could a passport fly out of the plane, as it was hitting the building, and in one peice fall to the ground, and paper would easily melt at that heat, because if the temp was truely 2000 degress, to make the bulding collapse, then there is no way paper wouldnt burn. and i know that that isnt huge, but if they lied to us about that, they could lie to us about many other things

why wouldnt they release one more frame to show that a plane hit the pentagon, and u can CLEARLY see that there is no plane at all in any of the frames

don't worry about it if this guy is right that make this little film the government will find a way to get rid of it ex. fly a plane into. this guy is a jackass that took a few facts twisted them around and made my government look bad. the fact is this guy really has no proof as to what really happend.

i finished it.. that is the best part

its not hard to make a flight record with fake names...What was the counter point for WTC7 falling? it caught fire from the twin towers attack but it was not great enough to take down the tower. It showed the recorded number of buildings of that stature over the last so many years and the number was 2. the 2 were the twin towers that fell before them. planned demolition. As for the towers they seem to fall ever so nicely and on their way down there are other explosions that take place on lower floors...whats going on there? conspiracy cant be counted out completely.

great movie. unreal, enraging, beleiveable.

you cant deny some of those facts. The fire fighter dispatch calls reporting other explosions in the tower. The fire chief who made it all the way to the 78th floor where the plane hit and was confident the fire could be put out. the hottest temps recorded on all three of the WTC were found not where the fires were but in the basements, in order to properly demolish a building it must be done from the bottom.

Dont get me wrong i love this country but some of that shit is just undeniable. and as everyone said all of these "theories" could be proven wrong by the gov simply releasing the info tthat thousands upon thousands want to hear/see.

How can you explain the dissapearence of the planes it is scientifically impossible. 93 "went off course" over clevland where in the film he suggests the plane landed in clevland. it just all comes together i could go on for days. the pentagon and flight 93 were obvious distractions away from NYC. How is it that the only 3 building directly destroyed were WTC building 7 fell perfectly. smallere buildings in the area were untouched.
A B1-BOMBER HIT THE EMPIRE STATE BUILING and still remains to this day. i like to check the validity of this stuff and you should too it will blow your mind.

How is it that the only 3 building directly destroyed were WTC building 7 fell perfectly.


the only 3 buildings* directly destroyed were WTC Buildings*. Building 7 fell perfectly. (and there were other buildings around the towers that definately shouldve been damaged before that one.)

^ I think it's just easier to say you are an idiot. A plane cannot turn off it's tracking signal. Why do you bring this thread back?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

i've definately posted this in every one of these threads.

okay that is coming from popular mechanics. one of the most popular and recognized magazines in this country. you dont think that they would try to "disprove" these "myths" to keep their reputation? and the government certainly wouldn't allow them to print the truth, think of the impact that would have on us if popular mechanics said that our own government is behind 9/11. its called censorship.

No, it's called you being a fucking idiot believing everything you hear on the internet. That article has nothing to do with censorship you God damned sheep.

im gonna go ahead and say that if the whole point of popular mechanics was to "disprove myths", we 1) wouldnt be living on the planet earth anymore, 2) would all drive hover cars and 3)would have been able to prevent 9/11 with our brain-implanted computers that can predict the future.

have you ever read popular mechanics? why would they even bother running a story on something like that if it was a total lie? oh wait, i guess popular mechanics must be run by the government. and let me guess, hitler isnt dead. he's actually the editor of popular mechanics.

i love how you guys are all, "ugghhh....everyone just eats everything thats spoon fed to them by the government, so im just gonna eat everything thats spoon fed to me by the conspiracy theorists ugghhhhhh.....aannggssttt, the government is out to get me, ughhh....our government stands for everything thats souless and wrong......nothing good comes from our country ughhhhh......"

Bump. Definitely worth the watch.

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Another good conspiracy vid is zeitgeist: the movie check it out

no, it's not.


If you want to waste more than an hour watching a video that disproves it's own theory, by all means go ahead.


What do i mean you ask?


Well...the government went to such great lengths to start a war, killing thousands of it's people in an intricate plot requiring thousands of people to remain secret....and yet 1 kid just out of college spilled the beans?

You don't think the govt wouldn't have simply killed him once he started revealing their whole plot?

you ever seen the government try to fix a pothole in a highway?

it all fake look prof

So what you conspiracy morons are saying is that the government has no problem killing thousands of citizens, falsifying flight records, and demolishing large buildings, but they can't take down a website and video made by a college kid and some of his friends?

What seems to be the problem, Captain Condescending?

can't tell if you got the joke or not...

video not working

Sure is retard in here.

Damn skierman had an epic post.

Derp

its on netflix instantly.

I didn't really find his evidence convincing at all, especially in light of all the evidence in the Movie he chose not to address.

I misread and thought you bumped the thread :(

that was a a pretty bad way to try to prove its fake. They're both nuts.

conspiracy theories are something that are worth the time to watch, but not to take seriously. It makes me sad to think some people believe everything they hear over the interwebz..

btw, fill me in on what happend to the Washington Monument in 2009 at 3:04 or whatever he said lol?

Oh okay. Hahahaha, sorry about the name calling.

that was from the onion, a parody news source, you big dumbass.

Whatever you think about the events on 9/11 one thing is for certain, our civil liberties have never been more at risk. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasnt been paying any attention to whats going on inside our own country and numbly accepting what the gov't is pushing on us as neccessary for our "national security". Hitler did the same things as the nazi party rose to power. Creating a notion of "the homeland" that needed protecting, fostering ideas that peoples lives in other countries (and within their own country) we not as important as others, creating paramilitary groups that didnt have to report directly to the gov't the way traditional millitaries do (see Blackwater)...etc.
Im not saying that our country is going to end up going down the path of Nazi Germany, but we as Americans have a DUTY to keep an eye on what our gov't is doing and to say otherwise is the most unpatriotic bullshit... It just makes me so angry to see people who live in this country and just think that men in power will always do the right thing and never lead us astray... a theory with NO historical evidence whatsoever.

The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. - John Adams

i pray to god you are joking.

the fact that people are still naive/stupid/narrow minded enough to think this was a legitimate terrorist attack with no guiding/control by external forces is just plain fucking sad. every article trying to disprove it that i have read to this day has been extremely weak. also, retards like skiierman spewing their bias, personal opinion infected replies only solidifies this 'conspiracy' even more.

until someone brings forth some quality material proving, or at least trying to prove this wrong, this was officially an attack made by the US government on its own country all in the name of war profiteering.

There was a episode on discovery, i cant remeber what it was called they disproved basically the entire movie and the conspiracists were all like no no no. BS excuses.