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Salomon or Marker

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telestar6
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I can get either the Salomon s912 ti or the Marker 1200 Free for roughly the same price. I was wondering which ones people think are better. I rode the s912s last year and had some problems breaking the ti heal tracks. But I got two steel tracks from Salomon that I can put on a new pair of s912 to fix this problem. The Markers already have steel tracks along with a bunch of other steel which is making me lean in that direction. But i've never skied their bindings and the Salomons function very well and have a ton of adjustment. So what does everyone ride. And don't say Look/Rossi cause I can't get those as cheap.
Dec 8 2005 2:49PM
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*T-Hobbs*
Posts: 718 - Karma: 193
rossi 120 pro
Dec 8 2005 2:52PM
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telestar6
Posts: 2102 - Karma: 44
^Did you not read the last sentence?
Dec 8 2005 2:54PM
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^NewYork
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s912 because thats what seths uses
Dec 8 2005 2:55PM
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JoakimHayland
Posts: 1053 - Karma: 43
I have the 912 on my pe's, but i dont like em' i have to adjuste em all the time,. but on my maidens i have a marker, but havn't skiied it much, so I cant say so much about em.. i hope it works better though
Dec 8 2005 2:57PM
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Download-My-Apps
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im leaning towards Salomon
Dec 8 2005 2:58PM
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other1
Posts: 89 - Karma: 20
Salomon
Dec 8 2005 3:33PM
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lanks
Posts: 12544 - Karma: 73
rossi/look. pay more for them.
Dec 8 2005 3:35PM
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dan1080
Posts: 1293 - Karma: 913
i have looks now and love them ..i had salomon before and th ey blew up on me..i dont think ill ever buy salomon bindings again
Dec 8 2005 3:45PM
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weenox
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i've only heard bad things about markers....and that heel track problem with the salomons is the only thing i've ever heard from people about the s912's. id go with salomons cuz they're super light and you have the steel tracks for them. plus their warranty kicks ass
Dec 8 2005 3:47PM
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lanks
Posts: 12544 - Karma: 73
ps, i ride salomon.
Dec 8 2005 3:48PM
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Shradam
Posts: 58 - Karma: 7
Either way your making a mistake. they will both last about 1 season. Look/Rossi, sorry, i know.
Dec 8 2005 3:48PM
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Shradam
Posts: 58 - Karma: 7
pay they extra money, its worth it.
Dec 8 2005 3:48PM
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Kevo
Posts: 2374 - Karma: 136
I ride Marker M 1200 TI Free. I've skied them 10 days so far and I haven't had any trouble. The marker freeskiing bindings are actually really good.
Dec 8 2005 3:50PM
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dan1080
Posts: 1293 - Karma: 913
i snapped the steel track in half on mine when they blew up on me and i was dissapointed with the warrenty that they gave me on my ski...both were salomon
Dec 8 2005 3:53PM
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CBROOKS
Posts: 4979 - Karma: 10,708
salmon for sure
Dec 8 2005 4:01PM
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Se7en
Posts: 467 - Karma: 41
Between the two, the Marker is gonna have better heel retention. The S912 is bulletproof though.

I'd search longer for a Turntable rear Look/Rossi from last year.
Dec 8 2005 4:10PM
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fakie_jibber
Posts: 341 - Karma: 10
Ok man, here me out before you tell me "I told you I can't get Rossi and Look for cheap". A binding is something you are gonna keap for at least 7-8 years unless u decide not to use it after a couple of years (lifetime of a binding is around 9 years). A binding that cost you about 50$-100$ more, on 8 years is only costing you about 10$ per year, that's nothing for the performance you're getting out of it.

Advantage to having a Rossi-Look.
1. More elasticity then any other binding. (pivot point is alot higher on either the old pivot or the new px12)
2. Full metal back (compared to marker and salomon with have a shitload of plastic components)
3.Pivot heel (depending on if you can get your hands on a pivot from last year) means that you won't boot out as easily as an other binding (hense Salomon wich unclips at nothing)

For sure the binding is abit heavier, but it won't break (if it does, trust me, your other ones would have broken way before)

Advantage to having Salomon.
1. LIGHT-WEIGHT
2. Huge wings to get a loads of support to your toe-box on your boot, also adjustable.
3. One of the only bindings to offer a height-adjustement for the release at the toe.

Advantage to having Marker.
none.

Although the Salomon will have a bit more adjustments that can be done, and is lighter is weight, it will not be as solid as a pivot or the new PX series. Stores now in Montreal are selling the new PX from Rossi/Look for 199$CAD vs. 199$ for a 912ti. You can also get yourself an old pivot for the same price. I'm just trying to say man, for the little more you're gonna pay for the Look/Rossi, you're getting a binding that won't break and that will NOT release for nothing. I'm telling you that as a guy that has one of his buddies on 912ti and hates them and switched to p14 and loves them. Trust me, worth every penny.
Dec 8 2005 4:13PM
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Se7en
Posts: 467 - Karma: 41
Totally agreed with you until ^that^ statement.

Marker will have better heel retention (as I stated earlier) than the Salomon will. It's also equally as light as the 912Ti.

Look/Rossi is the way to go for sure, but don't discount the Marker because you don't know anything about em'
Dec 8 2005 4:18PM
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Galin
Posts: 2342 - Karma: 3,940
if you had to choose between marker and salomon, i'd say definately salomon. Markers are really heavy compared to salomons and arent any better at keeping you in.
Dec 8 2005 4:18PM
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Coalescent
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^ very nicely put...that even helps me out thanks!
Dec 8 2005 4:19PM
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jetski
Posts: 375 - Karma: 10
Wow, I wish my bindings lasted that long. Race stock for sure but if you are an agressive skier who gets lots of days in there is no way your bindings will last that long.
Where did you get your info?
Dec 8 2005 4:37PM
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Kevo
Posts: 2374 - Karma: 136
You guys seriously don't know anything about Marker. The 12 Ti's are pretty freaking light, and the new ones that I have come with an underfoot airpad for cushioning hard landings. Old Markers and non freeride Markers are heavy, but the new freerides are good- lighter than Look and more durable than Salomon.
Dec 8 2005 4:48PM
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g-man
Posts: 1955 - Karma: 301
pay more for rossi
Dec 8 2005 4:51PM
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freeskibum82
Posts: 6355 - Karma: 5,057
i personally like the markers but they brakes tend to bend and break if you clip out backwards. but other than that i would go with the markers cause the salomons are bulkin with that cockpit toepiece and can easily f'd up
Dec 8 2005 4:52PM
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Alkyy
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i have had my salomons for 3 years now and i love them i wouldnt buy another biniding
Dec 8 2005 4:53PM
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bigsoxfan
Posts: 734 - Karma: 10
seriously pay more for looks or rossis u wont b disapointed and will b thanking urself when u dont haved binding problems that fuck up a day on the hill
Dec 8 2005 5:13PM
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SkierJulie
Posts: 2495 - Karma: 101
i have marker 12 frees on 3 skis and those salomons on 1 pair... the salomons always need to adjusted because the wings on the toe pieces always get loose and it sucks.
Dec 8 2005 5:17PM
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HiTz
Posts: 1467 - Karma: 11
go on ebay get the look p12 for 150
Dec 8 2005 6:09PM
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Totem
Posts: 27 - Karma: 11
Your Broken Ti plates on your salomons could be from mounting incorrectly. Just the same both are good bindings. Salomons have the longest elastic travel in the industry and marker has the least (toe). Meaning that marker bindings release at the same torque but your toe will travel less distance, in a salmon your toe will have to travel farther allowing more room for recovery. The heals are nearly the same now. The older markers didn’t have enough elastic heal travel and cause the toe to load up and release early. Both say their system is better.
Dec 8 2005 7:39PM
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telestar6
Posts: 2102 - Karma: 44
What don't people like about Marker? And what is the difference between the Look p12 and p12 Jib?
Dec 9 2005 3:10PM
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dirtybryan
Posts: 270 - Karma: 10
The only two companies that produce solid bindings, and I mean year after year, is Marker and Look, in my opinion.

Rossi's are trash, they are the same design as Look's (and it is a good design), but are made with inferior parts. I've broken several pairs of these bindings, luckily they were under warrenty typically.

Salomon's I haven't really seen fail, but I don't think have the best design. Material where its not needed means weight that is not needed.

Atomic bindings are over priced, heavy, and release too easily no matter what their DIN is at, even with their own boots. I can kick out of a pair of Atomic Race bindings with the DIN at 12.

I haven't given Tyrolia (also makes Fischer and Elan), 4FRNT, Nordica (but they are made by Marker, so I expect good things) or Vist Bindings much of a run through yet.

Mind you these opinions are based on these companies bindings from the last 5 years.
Dec 9 2005 4:07PM
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Flynn
Posts: 1174 - Karma: 10
Markers are the worst bindings made period.

Right now Tyrolia/fischer has the best bindings out by far in my opinion. The fr17s are impossible to break and release you before they break you but never before. And the railflex system dominates any other demo style system on the market.

Salomon's higher end stuff is remarkably good (916s and up, and nearly any of the old ones that arent propulse).

All of markers bindings are horrible, they break, and they release you in situations that can get you injured.

Cant go wrong with any of the turntable rossi/looks or the new series that replaced them.




To the original guy, get the salo's. Markers are pathetical horrible in any vintage, of any class binding.
Dec 9 2005 4:29PM
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MLB
Posts: 4462 - Karma: 298
Word, but i got the 120 power for 100 cdn. Just got to look for the deals. I think Marker make an awsome freeride binding, but not a good park/pipe binding.
Dec 9 2005 4:33PM
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Flynn
Posts: 1174 - Karma: 10
The only good bindings maker makes are the speedpoint ones, and thats not because they are good bindings its because a retarded rental tech could set them. They are still unsafe.
Dec 9 2005 5:39PM
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wrenegade
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wrong. seth uses 916s. And there is a huge fucking difference.

To answer the first question, 912s. Especially since you have already got steel plates to replace the Ti ones that usually break. Marker is just bad bad bad. The 912tis will treat you fine, I have them on my pistols and they are ok. Being light is their biggest advantage.

Although, as said above, I'd buy Rossi/Look or pony up for some 916s.
Dec 9 2005 8:45PM
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telestar6
Posts: 2102 - Karma: 44
Nobody has answered my second question yet. What don't people like about Marker?
Dec 10 2005 4:36PM
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dirtybryan
Posts: 270 - Karma: 10
Marker's are a perfectly fine binding. They just haven't adopted that "newschool" mentality that park rats eat up.

I like Markers, but for you, go to shop and grab whatever one feels lighter.
Dec 10 2005 4:54PM
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Flynn
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Its not just newschoolers that don't like markers man.

The toepiece design allows for practicaly zero elasticity. Hence when youre riding markers youre either in or your not, when your riding your skis in sketchy conditions or in the park you dont want this. You want your boot to be able to push out of the binding a little bit and come back in. With markers this does not happen.

If you ever ski in conditions where you might catch an edge that you can pullout of, or when losing a ski means you fall off a 100 foot cliff and die markers are not the binding for you.

If you ski the park at all, markers are not the binding for you.

If you race the really high din markers will be fine because elasticity doesnt matter much when you race, youre pretty much in or out; and thats how you want it to be.

However, if your a mom over the age of 30 and never leave the groomers, i would consider buying a marker binding if you got a good deal.
Dec 10 2005 5:25PM
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dirtybryan
Posts: 270 - Karma: 10
I appreciate that you can back your stance, unlike many others here.

Still though, every Volkl, K2, Nordica rider is riding on Markers and doing just fine.

So while I think your logic sounds good on paper, it just doesn't applies in real life. Sort of like the K2 blinking light vibration system on those old Merlins. Or at least to any real noticable degree.

Seth Morrison trusts these in sketch situations. I think you can too.
Dec 10 2005 6:02PM
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Flynn
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The only argument you have for them being decent is the fact that people that are commited to riding them due to sponsorship actualy ride them, that says nothing for their quality or functionality.

Youre not seperating marketing (sponsorship) from product quality.

You're argument also sucks because i believe seth rides 916s and 920s, not markers.

So basically you need to stop acting like your a higher knowing power about the greatness of marker, and just step down to the realization that their entire product line is horrible.
Dec 10 2005 6:33PM
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dirtybryan
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Don't get your panties in a twist. I actually complimented you, no sarcasm.

What I was trying to point out with sponsored dudes is that none of them have suddenly flown off a cliff because they were wearing markers that ejected them too easily. You clearly stated that extreme skiers can't afford this.

Their bindings stay in one piece and are nearly as often used as Rossi's.
Dec 10 2005 6:42PM
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Flynn
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What you were complimenting of me was that i was backing up what i was saying. You said what i was saying was wrong, i dont think it is. Therefor what you said wasn't a compliment at all.

Markers aren't used as much by higher level skiers, thats a flatout fact.

Why is this? Because they are not as good of a binding.

Why do sponsored riders ride them?
Because they get them for free, and get paid to ride them. Notice how no sponsored skier is riding salomon skis and marker bindings, but a ton of people are wearing k2s/volkls--and not skiing markers.

Coincidence? No. People trust other bindings more than markers. Watch a couple of Mconkeys segements and watch his skis fall off when they shouldnt.

Until you flatout say "markers are a bad binding for the majority of skiers" you will be wrong.
Dec 10 2005 6:51PM
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telestar6
Posts: 2102 - Karma: 44
^You last statement is more than a little faulty. You say the majority of skiers bu what you mean is the majority of expert skiers. Unfortunatley the vast majority of skiers aren't skiing in the park or hucking big cliffs. They are out dicking around on groomers all day. Just thought I'd point that out since you're being such a dick.
Dec 11 2005 1:25AM
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telestar6
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I know you are trying to help me out here but what do you mean for me to just grab whatever is the lightest. I find that a little insulting. As I stated earlier I break bindings like it's my job, unfotunatley. I put 3 Salomon bindings in their grave last winter. So I think I'm oing to not take your advise and go with the heaviest binding I can find because in my past experience light just means not durable. The Marker heel piece is definetly way beefier than the Salomon's. It's got a lot more steel to it which inspires confidence. So I'm still leaning in that direction. No one has really convinced me either way thus far.
Dec 11 2005 1:29AM
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Flynn
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First, the statement i made is correct, heres why.

Markers don't have a price advantage to other bindings. Markers don't have a performance advantage to other bindings. The only time they are a "better" binding to use is when they are part of a system that requires using a marker binding. Hence when i say, they are not the best binding for the majority of skiers im not making that up. Any skier can get a higher quality, more durable, and safer binding for the same price.

Second, if you go by weight alone when chosing bindings, you will chose atomics...they are not very good either unless you get the 1018s.

Third, the salomons you broke were probably below the 916 level, you wont break the 916s or above.

Other bindings you should consider are any of the pivot series,any of the zr/fks series,any of the fisher/tyrolia race bindings,any of the new looks/rossi with the px heel.

You can get the higher end fischer stuff on ebay for crazy cheap, probably a beter deal that what your getting on either the markers or rossis, and curently those are some of if not the best bindings on the market. Esentialy has the same functionality as the line binding(130degrees in the heel as opposed to 180), but in a rugged metal casing.
Dec 11 2005 9:03AM
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dirtybryan
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Well what I meant by that statement was, after all this, you still seem to be unconvinced either way between the Marker's and the Salomon's. While I would opt for the Marker's, you seem unconvinced either way, so I figured as last ditch effort to make up your mind, base your decision on weight.
Dec 11 2005 10:53AM
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steezyme
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Breaking Salomon bindings?

I work in a shop and have never seen this. Some of you guys are straight up full of shit speading bad steeze.

And if you did break them why would you not bring them to a shop?

Salomon bindings have a 5 year warranty?

This is why Salomon is the best binding on the market!
Dec 11 2005 12:05PM
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telestar6
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^Yeah seriously I coulcn't stop breaking the crappy Ti heal tracks. Those things are garbage. Instead of the heel releasing like it is suppose to the heel piece would just tear right through the Ti tracks braking them almost in half. I did that 3 time during the season always when landing big jumps switch. I got one of the time on film. Maybe I'll try and put it on here just to prove my point. I'm not lying. Salomon sent me a new pair of bindings and those are the Salomons I have, brand new still in the box. I also got a pair of the Markers from last yer when the shop I worked at went out of business. So I've go two brand new pair of bindings and I can't decide wich ones I want put on my new Prophet 100's. Yeah Salomon's warranty department was good and they sent me the steel heel tarck instead of Ti one but I still don't know if I trust them.
Dec 11 2005 8:53PM
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