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1080 Foils - surprise skis of the year
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This site is reknowned for dissing Salomon. For good or bad you have to give some props to Salomon.
Not only have they started the twin thing but they also bring excellent products.
Look at it this way. The 1080 is the franchise of freestyle skiing. Also the 1080 boot is the best park/freeski/jib boot out there. And Salomon bindings have the best warranty on the market.
Now comes the 1080 Foil. A jib ski, a park ski and a free ski. This ski carves like biatch and it rips in chop too.
Love those skis. And I made sure to try my buddies PE's, Invaders and AR5's. All good skis but the Foils bring versatility to the table and that's wy I'm on Salomon this year....
One last thing, there are lots of comments about Salomon's being only good for lighter riders. I way 190 and they are fine.
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hmmm i may have to strongly consider salomon i dunno though hmm...*ponders and strokes chin*
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i dunno...i found the foils really too soft...like i could break them in 2
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yea all of salomon skis are very nimble and flexable beacuse of the foam core and the space frame tech in them
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To each his/her own I guess but I used to race and I weight 190lbs and see you no problem with a ski that bends... it's carving...
But regardless of that, the foils are a sick all terrain / stuntditch ski.
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my friend once saw a guy break a salomon ski by flexing them in a store...if you are an aggresive or heavy wieght skier i dont thing that they could handle it
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Breaking skis in a ski shop means nothing... It means you are trying to break them...
You break um you buy em.
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I agree with everyone, I hate hearing people dis salomon, so what the core is made of foam; it is made of foam because they feel that this is the best technology. If the cores were made of cheese and it worked awesome, so what, I'd still buy it.
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ya i cant wiat to ride my foils. and i only weight 155 lbs so its all good
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Now, there is a thing to build a ski around: Cheese.
I love my Guns. Stable, light, perfect radius, I'm not sure skis get a whole lot better.
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salomon started the twin tip thing?? I think it was K2 buddy. With the poacher. And you can keep your foam core.. I'll stick with wood.
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the only thing i disagree with is about the boots. the 1080 boot is ok, if you have a beastly foot. and even then, the liner is not really that good. the lange freeride 100 or 120 are both much higher quality, higher performance boots.
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And they fit a hell of a lot differently and have a much different flex than the 1080. Get your shit right.
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i used to have 1080's and they got soft as hell after a couple months. at first they were pretty good skis but they turned shitty. and i really dont think that salomon cares at all about freestyle skiing. they havent changed their skis for like 4 years? and they have known people have been complaining forever about them.
then with companys like armada they have had like a new ski each year and they keep changing them, while after like 4 years salomon adds 1 ski.
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ye, the k2 poacher was the first "official" twin tip ski according to FREESKIER magazine.
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cough cough, but the olin mark IV was the first twin tip that was meant for switch skiing. the k2 poacher was the first for freestyle
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my shit is right. i said that the salomon boot fits a much beefier foot, and the lange is easily a much better freeride boot. the 120 with the bolts taken out of the back is not much stiffer than the 1080 boot, and you can put the bolts back in if you are skiing more all mountain stuff and you want more forward support for skiing harder. in the end though, it all comes down to what fits your foot, and from my experience, the 1080 boot is just too roomy to get a good fit for most people.
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well my opinion is salomon needs to get rid of that damned foam core. Thats the reason they turn floppy after 4 months
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wood cores eat foam cores for breakfast. end of story.
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i wodultn buys s achees ski..i would eat thte mofo
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consider it done..... i think that salomon is going wood next year... or the year after, their buyout by amer has changed things in big ways.
I havent seen anything offical but there are rumors out there
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pete o was at keystone a couple weeks ago and i looked at his skis and they were like totally different, they had like p-tex sidewalls, the topsheet i think was just flat with the thruster graphic, so mabye that could be like what they are doing next year.
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They arent all foam cores this year at ALL, idk why everyone still thinks that??
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Here we go again with the foam wood debate. You guys are idiots.
Like k2 uses a sheet of wood in their skis and you call that wood core... What about their triaxle technology... That 1970's technology...
Foam today is more dense then wood, it's absorbes as much as wood, it's lighter then wood, it's more cost productive then wood and it's more ecological then wood. So go smoke another.
As for somebody's comment about Salomon not doing anything for freestyle... niggahpleeze!
Ok if Armada is so into our needs then lets ask them why they don't sponsor any events, or movies, or any camps or any local rail events or any future stars???
Without Salomon there wouldn't be big events or camps on glaciers or movies...
As for the 1080 boot - if you find it to soft go to the pro Model. easy as that.
Stop bitching about the big guys... Your eating the hand that feeds you. fucking skiers always complaining.
Do you think snowboarders bitch about Burton like we do about Salomon... Of course not they realise that they are promoting the sport...
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I use 1080 Guns and it's real easy to spin through the air on those skis. I'm 195lbs. I may seem heavy but I'm 6'5" tall. I feel pretty light on my feet. Hucking is easy on 1080 guns.
If I want to just rip it hard without spins or grabs then I'll use my K2 Recons.
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^have you tried anyother skis? 6'5 and like 190... you're gonna break them.
Oh and for the boot thing... I have langes... they are the shit, But you can't beat dalbellos.. the best boot out there!
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They didn't start the "twin thing". It was rossignol.
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geeze...again... olin mark IV was the first twin... but it was for gay ass ski balet. K2 had the first freestyle twin. the poacher.
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i dont care if foam is more dense than wood or any of that shit cause it wears out and turns to shit, foam is not better than wood.
and the reasion armada dosnt sponsor as many events and stuff is because they dont have a shit load of money that they can spend on events like salomon, and salomon sponsors events so people think they're into the whole freestyle thing.
but seriously how can you think salomon cares about freestyle stuff as much or even close to as much as armada? they havent changed their skis in like 4 years while armada has been around for like 3 and they have changed both the ar5 and arv alot from the first year, then they added the t-halls, and jp vs juliens, and added the ants this year.
and yeah i know tons of snowboarders that hate burton for the same reasons.
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If its so much more cost productive why arent they the cheapest ski on the market? Id rather go with something from k2 or line .
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are you kidding me? in the last four years the 1080s have changed HUGLEY... total shift to spaceframe, which is an entirely different constuction than the previous 1080s. and this year... have you looked at the sidecut of the foils? theyre wider in the tip than last years pocket rocket, yet still have a ripping sidecut. and with the introduction of the thruster and gun, salomon provides a twintip for anywhere you wanta go... park, all mountain, and powder. just like any other company. i dont even start that salomon doesnt care about free skiing... tell carlson and olenick and cr that theyre wasting there time yourself. salomon is solid as hell. peace
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bahaha... they ride salomon b/c they give them a shit load of money. Are you kidding me. Their skis suck. The pros ride a wood core version.. not the production models... And you're telling me they've changed their stuff?!? Yeah they changed sidecut. But the ski is still the same. GAY GAY GAY. Ride your salomons and then let your grandad ride them too, no one would even blink. They are beginner skis. The only thing that I find interesting about salomon is their new gun labs... but still they are mostly foam... and with a msrp of like $1150... are you fucking kidding me? WHO in their right mind would want that over like 3 pairs of armadas or lines... crazy.
salomon can eat my nuts.
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having skiied both armada and salomon, I gotta say that they are both good skis. But, when I take off my 1080s that have been used more and pop in my AR5's, I feel a more responsive ski. The core is better with Armada. Also, ARMADA DOESNT HAVE THE MONEY TO SPONSOR EVERYTHING. They sponsor some great guys, shouldn't that be good enough for a smaller company? Salomon has been around long enough to have the financial stability to sponsor more events. That's why it is amazing companies like Armada exist in the market. They make great products. Last, the foam core idea is great, but its stamina sucks. And we all want more stamina in a ski.
peace
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this is true... check out PETE O's pic in the pro set ups in the freeskier buyers guid... its a foil topsheet but check out the space frame its DEF not the foil
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if your salomon skis are flexy just put some extremely small riser plates on their skis to help increase their stiffness
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won't that affect the performance of the skis, especially in the park?
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Shouldn't affect their park-ability too much... but it also won't solve your problem of getting all floppied out either.
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You really know nuthin at all...THIS YEAR IS NOT A FOAM CORE...and they have completely changed their skis 3 times from 5 years ago...You havent riden the foils(probly at all) but def not for an entire season so quit speakin or their stamina YOU HAVE NO IDEA...
and regardless of why they sponsor events those events wouldnt happen if they didnt becuase Armada wouldnt sponsor them(regardelss of why they cant). The industry needs both types of companies to survive so quit being retarded.
and for being ignorant you can lick my nuts..
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I don't know my friend rides 1080s and after a couple seasons the edges are falling off he already had to warrenty them once and the flex pattern has broken down a shit done since they were new. My PEs have held up way better in my opinion and I have put those skis through HELL! peronally i have no intention of buying 1080s anytime soon
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Oh and saying that the 1080 boot is the best park jub freeride boot made is a tough call to make boots are a very personal thing and I think if you look at the technica diablo burns you may think otherwise
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I personally ski for Salomon and I weigh 178lbs and I have a super strong race background and ski bigmountain and park. I push my skis everyday and I have never had a problem with them ever. All skis loose there camber if you use them alot. That is why we have a market that is strong. Dude in my opinion and personal experiences the story about breaking them in a store has been heard by the guys at Salomon. That kind of thing never happens and if it did I'm sure the guy wasn't doing his job right.
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yeah exactly, thats another thing thats really gay about salomon, they give the pros skis that are alot better, where with armada and all those companys you are buying the same skis the the pros use,
and seriously since the spaceframe thing, they have made one new ski (which except for the sidecut, is probably hardly any different), and they changed the name of the pocket rocket, and 1080.
so all they have done is added one ski.
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^I'm in agreement... oh and so salomon changed 3 times in the last 5? Armada changed 3 times in the last 3. SO THERE! hahaha.
whatever. ride what you want.
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i dont know if it was a surprise, it has a good design
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salomon just gets it right more often thats why they dont make a new model every year...
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since salomon has a more extensive ski building background, they don't have to remake the ski entirely as appose to armarda. armarda has made a new ski every season is
a) they have to keep progressing since it's still a very young company.
b) they are still learning on how to make a good ski(not saying they are making bad one)
c) to keep little kiddies to quiet down about why no new skis for the next season
salomon just have so more than armarda does, so they don't really have to focus on just a little sigment of skiing. no matter what freeskiing/newschool skiing is going to get in the future, there will always be racers who are willing to spend thousands of dollars on race skis. it's just human nature to compete, and there will always be racers who dream about getting a gold in olympic then landing a perfect cork 9 opp mute into pow.
to get back to the topic, i DEMOed the foil last year and yes they are such a great ski. since they are demoed i do not know if they will last or not. they are massive but yet can still carve up a good line on the groom. definitely worth checking them out. who really cares if they are foam or not, if they feels good, rides good, it's good enough for me. as far as the pros riding on a different, exclusive, verions of the production skis, i do not know if that is true or not. the 1080 my buddy got from burke, are the same as the one my other buddy rode.
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newb stfu...ur correct about the cores but u forgot one thing..foam cores get all noodley after a few months..wood cores dont.Most people think about durabilty of there skis thats y u dont see alot of people with TMs and salomons because they suck.
as for armada they do sponser future stars..and one of them is on here and he goes by the name of nipples and hes 12.
oh and ur the one complaining so idn y ur saying other people complaine when u have to go into detail about all this.
and yes snowboarders do bitch about other companys.i know because i use to snowboard.
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Those you you dissing the foils and Salomon as a brand should get your head checked.
You may as well put K2, Rossi, Volkl and the other mainstream brands in the same boat.
Armada is just a little company that is actually made in a old Authier factory.
Authier was a Canadian ski brand out of Qc city which died in the late 80's. They basically are using old presses from Authier.
Dis' Salomon all you want, they are still be best mainstream and you are just bitching about them cause they are mainstream.
Wake up guess, twin tips are being sold in ski shops everyday to people who don't even use them in the parks.
-The foam / wood debate is dead - technology today is not just all about wood.
-The team debate is dead, all teams have great riders.
-The durability debate is dead, all skis die if you do rails and jump off of houses with them.
Just try the foils before you dis' them -they are a totally different ski then your old 1080's.
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