Armada...

it doesnt make sense to me either. i'd rather buy 2 pairs of skis than 1 pair of t-halls.

Because armamdas are fucking quality and dont fall to shit like line and K2(atleast the new ones)

my friends t-halls are falling apart after a year and my fujas are still going strong. I can understand a ski like ar5's but t-halls for $575 who would rather that invaders or fujatives for $299?

Nope..not even close to the same thing. The only similarity is that they're all park skis. Let's examine, shall we?

THalls are made in Slovenia(correct me if I'm wrong, either way, it's in the EU), in the Elan factory. They feature a sidewall construction, with thicker edges that have bigger teeth for more inset into the ski. Said edges are actually mounted in rubber, so as to dissipate big impacts, like landing on rails. The THalls have sintered bases, and a "jib-specific" flex pattern that is extremely stiff under boot, while softer at the the tip and tail for better butters and olleys. Armada's THall is built to the highest level they possibly can be, quality is super high, and it's basically the best park ski on the market.

The Invader isn't a bad ski at all, but it's simply cheaper. Extruded bases (perhaps slightly more durable, but really just easier to take care of) that are cheaper, cap construction (this isn't a cap vs sidewall debate) that is less expensive to manufacture, and all of it done in China, where manufacturing costs are lower. The milled core does, however, produce a flex pattern similar to that of the THall, and it does have a fully centered stance and sidecut. Overall, a good buy.

The Fujative, also a cap ski, also made in China (the cheaper options), are a soft-ish, cheaply produced ski. I can't comment on the bases, but there's nothing special in them. The edges don't seem particularly thick, and they're not mounted in rubber either. Basically, it's a ski made as cheaply as possible.

THalls are more expensive because most, if not all materials in them are superior, they're made using a more expensive manufacturing method, they're made in a locale where manufacturing is more expensive, and the flex pattern is really, truly as advertised. I recommend you go to your local shop and check all 3 out before making inflammatory posts about Armada's pricing on the THall being off. Or, alternatively, at the very least , knowing something about the skis and manufacturing methods before posting.

They're not all the same. They're not all priced the same. They're not aimed at the same consumers (though they're all park skis, yes.), and they aren't purchased by the same categories of people. Kids who want a cheap park ski that works all mountain get the Fujative, kids who ride nothing but park and don't wanna break the bank get the Invader, and kids who need 2-3 pairs of skis, who are really good, and who want the best, cost be damned, buy the Armadas.

Simple.

The tanner is a better ski, i snapped a fugative in half so i bought the tanners and havent had a problem. I ski very hard but still no problems.

They're all good skis but face it, rails kill skis. You 575$ Thalls are still going to be destroyed just like your fuji's and Invaders.

thank you Jib_This, that was very informative. ps, i own 05/06 thalls

exactly...if you going to be doing nothing but park adn rails...i bet 2invaders or fuji's will last just as long.



so basically it comes down to where they are made? if armada made in china the cost of the ski would come down.

its cuz lots of people are willing to pay for the name. you wouldnt believe how many people buy it cuz "t-hall is da hot shit yo" and not cuz "i want quality skis"...and armada is smart enough to profit off others' stupidity.

i got the new t halls, and i didn't do it b.c. of the name, i went around and asked around 10-15 ppl on how they liked them, and everyone was pleased, and i got the like 100 bucks off too

well of course not everyone is stupid, lots of people know about skis and buy what they like, but lots also buy the name. its like tommy hilffiger or w/e back in the day. that stuff wast that good lookin, but the name was on it.

get fujitives because if you fuck with them you wont feel as bad.

Uh, you just killed it. Pretty much he's damn right and took the words from my mouth...plus another 1000.

i bought last years Thalls this year, Im really light so I prefer a softer ski, so I got the T Hall for the flex instead of the AR5s. And I alread have Fujatives

Jib This, you nailed it.... nice job

well all i know is that my ar5 edges cracked all the way through in around 30 days of skiing, and arent getting warrantied

you should suck less.. ther ento gonna warranty edge cracks bahahaha

Word, you shuolda just said your edges cracked on a big table you hit on a icy day.

no companies warrenties cracked or torn out edges, they would be give skis out like candy on halloween.

thats what i did a 4 inch section fell out of my ar5s and they sent me back a new pair... armadas are just much better then k2 or line and its worth ever cent

i tried flexing the new armada's yesterday, they are so stiff...i dont think id be buying em

The funniest thing I see is when little know it all park rats come into ski shops and flex a twin tip by placing it on the floor and bending it...

Guess what? The tail affects the flex pattern when you do that...they usually feel alot softer than they actually are...

If your gonna be "that guy" who pulls skis from the rack and flexes em like your some ski doctor then you should atleast place the ski between your feet and flex the contact area of the ski ONLY...that will give you a better indicator

^what about bending it at an angel so the tail tip isnt the only contact point???

that always gave me a good idea of how the ski would flex on a jump

^?

Hafjell Norway

haha. motherfuck! i replied to the wrong thread. some mod please remove this.

Baised on Jib-this's statement I would say that alot more stuff goes into the T-Halls than eather the fujitives or the Invaders. This ussualy means that the T-Hall is a better ski than the other two. However the side wall construction and cap construction provide different qualities and drawbacks, a side wall construction consists of two pieces of eather p-tex, abs, wood or mettel that go along the side of the ski. This construction give the maker another variable to affect the flex of the ski. However the sidewalls can delaminate and come off, simmilar to edges. The cap constrution is where the top sheat wraps around the top of the ski and conects to the base/edge. this desighn is more waterproof than the sidewall construction and is cheaper to make in a mas producing factory.
Another factor in the ski is the wieght I do not remember how much the T-Hall or invader wieghs but the fugitive is a light ski do to the softer wood usde throughout the ski. The T-Halls have a stiff core underneath the binding this wood (stiff=dense=heavy)will weigh the ski down. This stiffer area, however, has minimal effect on the actual flex of the ski. the way most bindings are mounted results in the fact that the boot/binding kills the flex underneath the boot (The sole of a boot is stiffer then any fucking ski. the exception to this is the line bindings or any binding with a plate/rail system which moves the mounting area into a smaller more centralized area.

-Did not finish-
Another advatage of the T-Hall Jib-this pointed out was the ruber that cussions landing on rails/ice. I have one thing to say: your knees are about 100,000 time better at this than a small piece of ruber. A
As for the difference between EU and china the only difference is cost of production and therefore the final price. the quality difference is so small none of you would be able to tell the difference.
My final thought is that if you are going to pay 2x the price of a ski to get only the above differences, you should instead buy a season pass or lower your ego an take some lessons and learn to fucking ski better.

they need more money?

You are way off mark in saying the Tanner Hall pro model is a superior ski due simply to the consumer price.

Are you kidding me? Not saying they are not a good ski, as my argument is basically against what you said about the Fujative. The Fujative is cheap because we wanted it to be cheap and affordable. Pep's and our decision. We don't make shit off of the Fujative because it is priced competitively and Pep gets his royalty. Another factor is our production costs. Hence the end price in comparison to the T.Hall. Another huge factor is recouping cost of production. Obviously a company that puts out a limited number of skis doesn't get the same deals on raw materials and that translates down to what you the consumer pays.

The man above me, WestCoastArmy or so, has the right idea and he explains the reasonings for cost perfectly. Hahahah.
Don't believe the hype kids, try each of those or a friend's pair and get what works for you, not becuase some fool tells you his biased opinion that it is the best based on cost.

uhhh people are buying it so why not charge that much