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i am not gonna ask which ones to buy because the other poor soul that asked got bitched out....i have 686 pants now but i wanted to know if there are any other brands that are more durable...specifically in the inner ankle area..my 686's have a million little holes and rips on the inner ankles and it sucks on powder days cause the snow gets in the damn holes and fills up the bottom of the pants...not sweet at all...