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Make your own skis with sliding inserts for bindings

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markhr
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no f*cking drilling and no problems on powder days with a quiver of one

have a look at

http://www.skibuilders.com/

http://www.skibuilders.com/phpBB2/index.php

sliding inserts(called "freedom plate") at http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html

http://www.grafsnowboards.com/

http://www.grafsnowboards.com/phpBB2/index.php
Nov 1 2005 9:06PM
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markhr
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boink
Nov 1 2005 9:40PM
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salamander
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that would be cool but alot of work
Nov 1 2005 9:43PM
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markhr
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yeah but think of advantages

no drilling
one ski for park and powder
binding moveable with an allen key from balance point to middle and back again
swap bindings with an allen key
not having to pay a tech to install
the kudos of making your own skis
somehting to do in the summer
your own choice of graphics
truly custom skis
Nov 1 2005 9:49PM
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dorikin
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time, energy, requirement of needing a press...I don't think I could pull it off right now, although, I would love to.
Nov 1 2005 9:55PM
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markhr
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who needs a press when you can just vacuum bag it
Nov 1 2005 10:02PM
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markhr
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blimp
Nov 1 2005 10:26PM
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Cloud.
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that sounds expensive though
Nov 1 2005 10:29PM
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markhr
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check the forums - the first couple are pretty much throw away as you get the problems worked out but after that you've got cheap skis that you won't mind trashing on rocks because you can just make some more and probably better each time too
Nov 1 2005 10:50PM
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markhr
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sliding inserts(called "freedom groove") at http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html


that'd be the FREEDOM GROOVE
Nov 1 2005 11:50PM
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strode
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wow what in the fuckin fuck?

crazy shit.
Nov 2 2005 12:04AM
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Melvs
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it's a great site, super helpful, and if you're ambitious and have some money and time to kill, it's a great project.
Nov 2 2005 12:16AM
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dorikin
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vacuum bag it? Care to explain more?
Nov 2 2005 12:21AM
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Melvs
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read the www.grafsnowboards.com site.. they go into detail on it.
Nov 2 2005 12:28AM
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PurpleSkier
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I saw that you were on it. Did you make a pair? If so, how'd they turn out, I was thinking of doing this, it looks fairly inexpensive.
Nov 2 2005 1:11AM
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Melvs
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I'm working on finishing the molds. I stated this summer and got the press frame and everything done, but then school started and I've had no time to make the molds... but I'm hoping to have a few pairs made during winter break.
Nov 2 2005 1:21AM
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Spam_Man_1500
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haha so cool they have a whole sentence!

'ba ba de xiao nu ahh i can't tell!'
Nov 2 2005 1:34AM
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billybomba
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instead of using the sliding inserts why not just use a pack of inserts like snowboards? it's much easier to fabricate, you don't have to deal with patents, and there's no rail to screw with the flex.
Nov 2 2005 1:48AM
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powonthemow
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That actually wouldn't be too bad, the most difficult part would probably be all that press work...building the press, etc.

Hopefully someone will just start selling the press in a put-together kit or something. It's only a matter of time.
Nov 2 2005 1:56AM
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billybomba
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it may be coming sooner than you think...
Nov 2 2005 1:59AM
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Kev
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I have been trying to figure out why the different side wall on the outside and inside, and same with the 4mm sidecut reverse on the outside, and not on the inside, i can't wrap my thc enriched brain around it.

Can someone explain to me why this was done?
Nov 2 2005 2:01AM
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strode
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i dunno the deal with the different sidewall materials, but the guy said that the banana skis were a mistake due to a bad batch of ptex that warped or some shit. they'd be so freakin weird to ski.
Nov 2 2005 2:03AM
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markhr
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^If you have a look at the freedom groove patent the ski's flex pattern remains the same which isn't something that happens on the Forum snowboard version. The other problem with multiple inserts is that they're always going to be in fixed positions so you won't have incremental adjustment(I think) on slope. With the sliding inserts you could easily vary binding positioning and length. Selling the skis wouldn't be a problem as there's no drilling.
Nov 2 2005 8:06AM
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Melvs
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www.snowboardmaterials.com does just that.
Nov 2 2005 8:18AM
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markhr
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you could do it that way and save time but waste money or do the ebay thing where you can pick up the ingredients for a super duper press for a couple of dollars.

As a random example - 10m RSJ steel I beam 14day listing still on 0.99 with three days to go
Nov 2 2005 9:19AM
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Taydawg197
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Thats gonna cost a ton to ship a steel beam
Nov 2 2005 9:22AM
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markhr
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yup BUT most of them are buyer collect - so just look for one in your area - guaranteed someone will be selling some part of the press near you if not now then soon
Nov 2 2005 9:30AM
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Melvs
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The steal is easy to come by.. just look in the D.O.T. scrap piles... I got all mine there. But there is still a considerable cost to do it. I've dropped around $200 into it, and I've lucked out and gotten most of hte press frame stuff free.

However, you CAN do vaccuum bagging for fairly cheap.
Nov 2 2005 10:09AM
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markhr
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sweet - smells like victory

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Nov 2 2005 10:20AM
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AJFreestyle1080
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last character is "hai'r" as in "nu hai'r" meaning daughter

Its just chinese for daddys little girl
Nov 2 2005 10:37AM
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drshmee
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id reather just buy em pre made
Nov 2 2005 10:48AM
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Taydawg197
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Whats the fun in that?
Nov 2 2005 10:55AM
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Melvs
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for the lazies ;)
Nov 2 2005 11:10AM
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markhr
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lazy - lazy what's that

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Nov 2 2005 11:29AM
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markhr
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boing
Nov 2 2005 12:54PM
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thejackal1177
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This thread is sic....bump!
Nov 2 2005 1:42PM
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Roy
Posts: 1982 - Karma: 1,240
you put the part you want cured, skis in this instance, in a sealed bag then suck all the air which ends up depending on your elevation and weather, putting about 14.7 psi across the part, super cheap super easy
Nov 2 2005 1:48PM
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dorikin
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And the wood laminates, base, and edge will bond just as well as using a big hydraulic press, or heavy ass object of some kind?
Nov 2 2005 3:27PM
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Melvs
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not quite as well, but it's cheaper and far easier.
Nov 2 2005 3:35PM
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Taydawg197
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If youre gonna do it might as well do it right with a press so youre not wasting your time making skis that will just delam quickly
Nov 2 2005 3:38PM
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spere
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once you get things going and start cranking skis out it might be worth it. I used to do the same thing with skate decks but it took to long to press the molds
Nov 2 2005 5:10PM
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markhr
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I'm stoked that you're stoked
Nov 2 2005 6:23PM
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markhr
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...and you get the chance to say to your buddies - I made that

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Nov 2 2005 7:40PM
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Calrin
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i invited some of you guys to the cult
Nov 2 2005 7:49PM
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markhr
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^or you could pay these guys 5 times that for a vacuum bag.

http://www.snowboardmaterials.com/pages/kit_overview.htm

F*ck that make your own hot press much cheaper
Nov 2 2005 9:55PM
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markhr
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ping
Nov 3 2005 5:30AM
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markhr
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pow
Nov 4 2005 3:54AM
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DHogg
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thats a sick idea but not worth it unless you have time and money to burn.
Nov 4 2005 4:59AM
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markhr
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as opposed to the rest of us who can't afford new skis each season so we make our own skis at half the cost of new ones - doh!
Nov 4 2005 5:17AM
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