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Lord_Piot
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http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

http://www.mehrnews.ir/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=246346




Read the first one then the second one, Clearly Russia and china have irans back. What are your thoughts on either scenario

1) US does nothing, Becomes bankrupt

2) US intervention, War with china and russia.


Either way your all screwed. Nothing new ive been saying it for 4 years now. But im not here to argue. What do you think about this.
Oct 30 2005 2:11AM
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GotamaBCshredder
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He isn't allowed to until they have already caused harm, and he was 1200 yards away.
Oct 30 2005 1:47PM
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lcc210
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Hahah right, russians or the chinese absolutley would do that to if they were in iraqs situation. Its not cowardly its smart fighitng. Its the same concept the americans used in the revolutionary war, why would they fight the stronger british straight on when they knew they would get their fucking asses kicked. You gotta pick your battles.
Oct 30 2005 1:47PM
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lcc210
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So your friend isnt allowed to shoot at known al quada members?? Umm what is the point of us being over there then.
Oct 30 2005 1:47PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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because of people like you he can't just fire on them, they have to prove "hostile" first
Oct 30 2005 1:48PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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its because we decided to try and limit civilian casualties. we could have just rolled in and carpet bombed the country for a good long while, or nuke it... game over. so its not like the capabilites arent there. its just that the international community already wasnt really hyped up on our going into iraq, and a massive bombing campaign a la tokyo or dresden wouldnt have helped our cause much.
Oct 30 2005 1:48PM
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lcc210
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Becaues of people like me? THat makes no sense moron..
Oct 30 2005 1:48PM
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lcc210
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thanks wilkey thats exactly my fucknig point idiot. Were not just going to roll into russia and chian and carpet bomb the hell out of them either.
Oct 30 2005 1:50PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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Yes because people say they are killing citizens, and innocent people, there is a law that keeps them from firing unless fired on, or sometimes they do if they get extremely pissed, but thats mainly because he is a sniper and no one really sees alot of what he does.
Oct 30 2005 1:51PM
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^NewYork
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one plane wont win a war eh? what baout the b17 and p51 in ww2? what about the fucking a10 in desert storm? the f-22 went up against 8 f-15 eagles in a training exercise. it took them all out.
Oct 30 2005 1:52PM
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eheath
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that was 1940s, this is 2005, are you that stupid???
Oct 30 2005 1:53PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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one plane won't win the war, but it will make a huge difference. This won't be a nuclear war unless russia goes nutty, everyone knows that its dumb to do that and will pretty much end the world.
Oct 30 2005 1:53PM
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^NewYork
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Warfare is the same! WHAT has changed!?!?! the planes bomb and fight. the p51 helped win ww2 becauseaced it was advanced so is the f22 and f35.
Oct 30 2005 1:55PM
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eheath
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Because now technology has change alot, you cant win a war with planes now. you are fucking stupid.
Oct 30 2005 1:56PM
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^NewYork
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he said one plane wont win a war. I proved him wrong. how does that have anything to do with the time period
Oct 30 2005 1:57PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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if it was seen as a more legitimate campaing we might. its not like you can state with authority that we wouldnt. i think its one of the tenets of jus en bellum... proportionality. it wouldnt be ethical to smoke the crap out of iraq with a force that was so overwhelming. you meet force with like force. which is why the nuking of japan in 45 was so controverial. if we were in a conflict with russia or china, we would meet them with whatever force we were faced with. and im guessin that if that included mass incendiary capaigns, then we would do it.

iraq and china/russia are totally different scenarios. so dont call me a fucking idiot. youre kind of stupid for trying to use an irrelivant analogy.
Oct 30 2005 1:58PM
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MitchPee
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Did you know that Japan didn't surrender because of the a-bomb. It was because the Russians and Chinese had pushed their lines to the max. Just something to think about.
Oct 30 2005 1:58PM
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^NewYork
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WRONG WRONG WRONG planes are the deciding factor now you fucking idiot!!!!!!!!!! thats why we are spending billions on contracts with mcdonell douflass and boeneng
Oct 30 2005 1:59PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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can you prove that?
Oct 30 2005 1:59PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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No country is gunna shoot nukes, the only nukes will be from terrorists.
Oct 30 2005 2:01PM
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eheath
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Dude, just shut up, you do not know anything, you have dug yourself into a deep hole you cant get out of, just admit you are a dumbass, and you dont know shit about war, and you are just an over patriotic kid who has no friends.
Oct 30 2005 2:01PM
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lcc210
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How are planes the deciding factor now??? Despite having better aircraft the US still did not win vietnam, korea, or the shithole war in iraq we are currently in.
Oct 30 2005 2:01PM
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lcc210
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ya lineskis450 you are really gettin owned here...
Oct 30 2005 2:02PM
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^NewYork
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im getting owned. wow.
Oct 30 2005 2:03PM
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lcc210
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You are, you are claiming airplanes win wars. Actually they dont, they didnt help win 3 out of the last 4 wars we have been in...
Oct 30 2005 2:04PM
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lcc210
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And if you want to talk about superiour planes the germans had and were developing superiour jet planes to what we had in WW2. Why didnt the germans win!???
Oct 30 2005 2:05PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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id like to see documentation on that. i just had to read a big article for my ethics class by henry stimmson (secratary of war durring WWII) from 1947 that detailed all the development and rationale behind the descision to use the atom bomb, and in the article there was extensive talk of how the only thing japan was doing was trying to negotiate a conditional surrender with russia, in which they would keep their conquered pacific territories. Japan still had forces of around 5 mil at the end of the war spread between the pacific and the home islands.

it was pretty clear that the only reason japan surrendered was from the fear of continued nuclear conflict.
Oct 30 2005 2:06PM
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MitchPee
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funny that planes had only been invented for 2 of the last 4 wars we have been in
Oct 30 2005 2:06PM
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^NewYork
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wow you are so its almost amusing
Oct 30 2005 2:06PM
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^NewYork
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wrong*
Oct 30 2005 2:07PM
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^NewYork
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what?
Oct 30 2005 2:07PM
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eheath
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I find it amusing that you dont know shit, but yet you still say stuff that is totaly incorrect and everyone laughs at you, even though you think you are big tough guy who thinks he knows everything.
Oct 30 2005 2:08PM
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lcc210
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How am I wrong, we had better planes in vietnam, korea, and this current war in Iraq and did we win ANY of those wars? Please...enlighten me as to how I am wrong on that lineskis.
Oct 30 2005 2:09PM
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^NewYork
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What dont I know? please tell me.
Oct 30 2005 2:10PM
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lcc210
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Lineskis- answer my question right above you!^
Oct 30 2005 2:10PM
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eheath
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Hes saying that planes didnt exsit in the following wars: Revolutionary war, civil war and ww1, But they did exsist in ww 2 and vietnam, you understand yet shit head?
Oct 30 2005 2:10PM
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^NewYork
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first of all in korea they had mig17's and we had f-86's those planes were almsot exactly the same in every category. on vietnam we had f-4's and a-4's , we pretty much kicked thier ass's .look at the kill ratio for tha a4 skyhawk.
Oct 30 2005 2:12PM
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lcc210
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Wow we might have shot down more planes, but you said planes win wars. If our planes were better why havent we won yet?
Oct 30 2005 2:12PM
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^NewYork
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did we ever surrender in korea or vietnam? and in desert strom we got them to withdraw from kuwait, almost entirley because of the air campaign
Oct 30 2005 2:14PM
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lcc210
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No we didnt surrender in vietnam or korea but thats not the only criteria for if you win a war or not. We didnt stop the spread of communism which was the goal of the war...therefor we lost. Jesus christ lineskis how old are you like 15?
Oct 30 2005 2:19PM
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MitchPee
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we have only had planes in 2 wars we have been in
Oct 30 2005 2:22PM
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MitchPee
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Nope its actually because they were afraid of china.
Oct 30 2005 2:23PM
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^NewYork
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ww1,ww2,korea,vietnam,desert storm. Iraq? am a missisng something? in ww1 we had the curtiss jenny bomber.
Oct 30 2005 2:24PM
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Phrosty
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you guys need to just all shut the fuck up. Let lineskis call you a coward, let him be the one to do the fighting. There is always going to be war, someone has to go and die, let the people who are willing go and do it. Lineskis you are a prond american go and give no less than your life for this country, and we will all appreciate it. and tell all your platoon buddies we said whats up and keep up the good work. No one is focing anyone to go and join the armd forces. Everyone who dies knew what they were signing up for. I just think we should spend a little less money on military and more on higher education. But hey who gives a shit anyway.
Oct 30 2005 2:25PM
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whattheshit
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the air campaign was so successful was because the iraqis were using old cold war russian sam sites that had took forever to power up. by that time the sites were already hit. iran is different they have the capabilities with surface to air missiles to be a formidable force.
Oct 30 2005 2:26PM
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MitchPee
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korea vietnam desert storm and iraq all weren't wars
Oct 30 2005 2:26PM
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^NewYork
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and know we have f-22 and f-35's. f-16's and a-10 are being phased out
Oct 30 2005 2:27PM
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^NewYork
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*now
Oct 30 2005 2:33PM
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GotamaBCshredder
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No one is getttin owned. Actually, did we lose vietnam? We lost 58,000 soldiers, where they had millions of deaths/. Not a loss.

Korea? The Northern Communists try to take over Southern Korea, last time I checked it didn't happen.

We kicked ass in WW2
Oct 30 2005 2:42PM
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lcc210
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^umm you ski on 168 gotamas therefor you have no say in the matter for being a pussy.
Oct 30 2005 2:47PM
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eheath
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Dude, shut up.
Oct 30 2005 2:49PM
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