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The Best Binding and why jetski is a retard
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atomic has by far the best foundamental binding system in the world. it functions much better than any other binding in the since that it alows the ski to flex under foot instead of having a dead spot there. it alows the ski to deliver a very consistant flex pattern. also do to the fact that the binding floats on the ski it elimanates pre-releases that other bindings like marker and rossi have such a bad problem with. Oh and notice how atomic has had this system now for 8 years and all the rest of the companys are just now starting to catch up and build there own randitions. like salomon with there pilot. also the atomic binding system has been an interchanable binding system since its inception. This was Well before line ever imagined building anything except for gay ass ski boards. It is indeed a hostage binding were you need atomic skis for it to be interchanable (this is the same as the line) but you could swap the binding from ski to ski with great ease. The atomic binding is also the only binding in the world besides a rental that will adjust from a size 23.0 to size 38.0
So just to let you know line is not revolutionizing anything because it has already been done. And atomic did a much better job.
one day you will relize that the entire industry is 2-5 years behind the inovations of Atomic. its true in so many aspects
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There are so many fallacies in your post I don't know where to begin. You obviously aren't a ski tech so do everyone a favor and drop it.
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i know its harsh reality dont take the truth to hard.
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Come on tell me about these fallacies
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I ride them, they are heavy but burly
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Ok, I'm bored and you're an idiot here's why....
1. There are several binding systems out there that allow the ski to flex underfoot. Tyrolia, Marker, Atomic and Salomon all have them.
2. Prerelease is always a debatable topic but one thing is a fact...Rossi bindings are not known for prerelease problems as you suggest. In fact, a large part of the reason why the Axial binding was changed was because it actually didn't release enough.
3. Several companies have had systems for a very long time, but I'm almost positive that the Pilot system was in fact the first one out. Atomic isn't ahead of the game as you may suggest.
4. The Atomic bindings are NOT interchangeable. You're dead wrong. Not even close to a truth.
5. If by swapping from ski to ski with great ease you mean taking 15 minutes to half an hour to disassemble the binding, remove 9 screws, pull the binding apart, place it on the new ski, screw in 9 screws per binding, adjust the forward pressure, and reset the toe height..... I guess we just have different ideas of what the phrase "great ease" means. Moron.
6. The Atomic binding does not fit up to a size 38 boot. DOES ANYONE EVEN MAKE A 38 BOOT? That would be a size 20 U.S. mens shoe or very close. It has the same general size range as other binding systems. It may be a size bigger or smaller but there's no great difference.
7. Line has come up with a concept that enables a clean, true-to-din release, in a back twisting fall. While the concept needs work to be lighter and more durable, it is in fact revolutionary and Atomic has not done anything similar.
8. How has Atomic revolutionized binding tech in the last 2-5 years? The neox binding? hahaha. The fact is that their freeride program uses relabled LOOK bindings because Atomic bindings are so terrible for park/freeride use.
There you go buddy. Have fun smokin on the facts.
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they are heavy but i trust them. I would much rather have a binding that is a liitle on the heavy side that works then a light binding that blows
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*smokes a bong load of "the facts"
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Ok fucking god damn wrong about the salomon being the first. it came a solid three to four years after the atomic i will also let you in on a secret Atomic bindings used to be called ess var until atomic decided that it would be better to market the binding under the same name. There are not 9 screws in the atomic hole pattern there are 7 and yes it only takes five to ten minutes to switch them if your not an idiot there is no reason to have to readjust the bindings forward pressure or toe hieght. i am not saying dont check it. i may have overexagerated on the size by a little bit but the truth is that it has a far greater size range than any toe mount binding on the market. Just except the fact that your worng
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salomon was for sure the first company to have an integrated binding system, end of story.
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The Atomic Binding came before the pilot system by atleast a few years.
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The ess var binding was the first binding to include the free flex system and was the first binding of its type then a few short years latter salomon developed the pilot system. this was not done however until the patten laws surounding the ess var binding changed allowing its technology to be mimiced by others with in reason.
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I was wrong about the Salomon Pilot system. I was correct about the rest of my ponts.
If you mount bindings without checking forward pressure and toe height you are an idiot and not doing correctly. You still cannot swap Atomic bindings between skis because the holes in the plates (which are mostly plastic) will become stripped.
There are 5 screws in the heel piece alone, are really telling me that there are only 2 screws in the toepiece? There are at least 8 and 9 on some. Depending upon which binding you are talking about.
The size range is not "far greater", like I said its +1 or 2 sizes at best.
....You only had something to say about 4 of my 8 points. I was wrong on one of them. Where's your answers to the rest of them?
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^ no the atomic hole pattern has not changed ever there are three in the toe piece and four in the piece (well there might be five in the heal)
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Every atomic ski i have has metal inserts in the pre drilled holes
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and yes the hole pattern has three toe screws and four heel screws
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westnile you straight got fucking owned by deezl. it's time to shut your dumbass little mouth.
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Those metal inserts are no stronger than the metal laminate topsheets that are featured on many skis.
They WILL strip out if you try to pull your bindings off and put them back on too many times. This is one of the great pitfalls of binding plates.
Like I said, there are at least 8 and 9 on some. Finally you are admitting that you are wrong about this shit.
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also the atomic binding has had upward release (otherwise known as backward release) for its entire life this system gives the same affect but only less complex and with half the shit to break
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wow you proved him wrong on ONE point. there are 7 other FACTS that say you are a fucking moron and nate just showed you what was up. you're a fucking dumbass.
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You are missing the screw that is in the center of the heelpiece of the binding.
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i was JUST about to say the exact same thing. you are an idiot westnile.
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Wrong, this helps but does not eliminate the problem of back twisting falls.
In a back twisting fall the toepiece must act as a pivot point for the heel to be released in the proper manner. Upwards release is present on Marker and Rossi bindings as well. Yet ACL injuries continue to rise.
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The atomic binding adjust from 270mm to 340mm
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340mm isn't bigger than most other bindings. In fact its smaller than some others as well.
340 equates to about a 30.5 boot size. That's a sz. 12.5 U.S. shoe. Much different than your original size 38 boot.
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I haven't seen a good ownage like this in a while; highly entertaining, good job deezl.
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in no way have i been owned by this faggot i proved my point exactly that the atomic was the first intergrated binding in the world. That it has the greatest size range. The fact that it can bemoved easily from ski to ski the fact that it does evrything anyother binding does and more the fact that the atomic binding is still setting trends 8 to 10 years after it was made as other companys continue to copy its functions.
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the fact is that every integrated binding system in the world was inspired by the atomic binding system
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no i did not forget any screws there is one center front of heel two out lying screws middle heel and one screw cent rear of heel
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i agree 100%. you are getting owned hardcore westnile. if i were you i would completely quit talking and run away will your tail between your legs so you at least have SOME pride left after this.
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Hahahah. Have you read ANYTHING that I have posted?
To reiterate:
You were right about one thing...I was the first binding system that flexes with the ski.
It DOES NOT have a greater size range over everyone elses bindings. But even if you were right, WHO GIVES A FUCK? Last time I checked SHAQ didn't care to ski much. He's one of the few people who really have a problem with binding sizes. Once again though, you are wrong, 340 mm is not significantly bigger than any other binding.
Read your last sentence. Skiing has come SOOOO far in the last 5 years let alone 10 and you are HAPPY that they haven't done anything new with their bindings in 10 years? You are the ultimate consumer for a big corp like Amer. They feed you the same old shit and instead of wanting improvements in regards to your safety and enjoyment, you applaud them for ignoring your needs.
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Oh and atomic revolutionized the world of bindings last season with the release of a fully electronic binding that does everything from storing preset din and foward pressure settings to telly you if your boot is clean of snow and if the binding needs any maintenance.
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Your original post was not about Atomic's inspiration on other manufacturers but a statement that their system was superior. Now you are back tracking and stating that they simply inspired other systems.
Which is it?
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All things that I have been plenty capable of figuring out on my own. That feature is nothing more than hype geared towards the technology influenced customer. It does nothing to help skiing performance or safety of release. In fact, it's just one more thing that would end up breaking if anyone on this site got a hold of it.
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Hey Westnile... FUCK YOU! Nowhere in this thread does it explain why I have to ride the short bus everywhere.
Fuck you mosquito cock.
You have your opinions and I have mine and it appears my point of view has riled you enough that you call me a retard. I happen to think wearing a hockey helmet 24/7 is cool.
To sum up... FUCK YOU westnile!
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About the size thing i am talking about adjustment with out having to remount the ski. I am not a consumer of amer group inc i am one of thier riders and far more acomplished in the real of athletics and skiing then you will ever be.
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This is a very controversail topic and could be argued forever you have a few good points but in no way have you backed them up. Thanks for the arguement. next time give some actual factual evidence
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You might be a better skier than me but more accomplished in Athletics I highly doubt brother.
You don't know me or anything about me. You might not be impressed but you have been owned. Go to sleep, it won't hurt so bad in the morning.
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haha dude are you joking?
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You must be talking to someone else.
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1. the plate involved in the Device system from its inception in 99 was heavy bulky and rigid thus defeating the "floating aspect of the toe/heel interface.
2. At world Cup level it had to go up to like 30 for anyone to race on it.
3. The optional upward release uadjustment was a good idea on the 14din series from 3 years ago but it didn't work very well.
4. the multiple positioning options, 3 on the 12 din and 5 on the 14 din were sweet but named way too Austrian.
5. The release pattern of the toe has always been sketchy putting way too much pressure on the knee in foward twisting falls.
6. MOST OBVIOUSLY they began phasing out the crappy Device system which you So love last year in favor of an entirely new system, Neox, which embraces None of the "innovations" the device attemptes to bring to market and it was even heavier than before.
7. The new binding isn't even really brought to us by Atomic "leaders in ski innovation" it's made by VIST same folks who made the Nordica system that failed three years ago and the new 4FRNT VIST Deadbolt which is yet to be proven in the market.
The long and short of it is that you and jetski are both retarded. Look/Rossi does not have prerelease issues whatsoever and neither does a properly adjusted Salomon. Agreed Markers have release issues but the Atomics do too. If you want to talk Real Innovation you have to turn to Fischer. Most winning bindings on the World cup currently, fully pivoting heel like Line so desperately wants to make work, best most consitant AFD on the market and their skis are almost entirely made of Carbon fiber. They make carbon parts for the most expensive cars and airplanes in the world to make their money and they make skis as a matter of Austrian pride. They are the real pride of Austria not Atomic.
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1 yes your right the original plate was heavy and did hamper the binding it was short fixed by adding a floating elment to the plate as well.
2. no you are wrong herman skies on 17 it was marker that had to go to 30 and salomon that people would stick a nickel in the screw to make it stiffer. The atomic bindings has never been made in any din setting higher than 18
3. it was a good idea and most people did chose not to use it becuase they thought in increased the chanse of injury.
4. well yes your right they are sweet
5. the free action of a single piece wing allowed the binding to release better in high impact falls ( this was designed as a race binding) it was however not good for slow speed crashes.
6. The neox is a marketing scam for the public. All those with the atomic race department still ski on the old binding and in no way hase it been phased out it is still the binding used by all atomic team racers
7. That is because atomic owns nordica along with many other companys such as fisher, salomon, volant, dynamic, and more
i will agree that the salomon binding does work very well and that it is also one of my favorites the marker is one of the most dangerous and the rossi just blows it may not have horible release problems like marker but its foward pressure system is flawed.
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^3 mistakes.
1st and foremost Fischer is the only major ski brand worldwide not owned by ANYONE but the Fischer family. That has always and will always be the case becasue they have more financial resources than the entire rest of the ski industry combined.
Secondly Look bindings have the most cosistant release values in torque testing history for the last 20 years running. I have been testing them against Salomon Atomic and Marker for 6 years and know people who have been doing it for thirty. They especially outperform all other brands after seasons of use where all all other brands become less consistant. This is acceptable to Atomic because as you stated they're designed for race purposes and are replaced by/ for those guys every year.
And third nobody at the world cup level with Atomic skis any binding or ski you have ever layed eyes on unless you've seen them at a world cup event because Atomic has completely different EVERTHING for guys like Herman. In fact Hermans skis are all 1 of a kind and even the majority of the rest of their top tier skiers get cheaper built stuff than he does. Have you ever wondered for instace howcome the retail S11 and GS11 were beta and the real race ski was vertical sidewall sandwich construction? This is the first year they have put any kind of beta in the actual race skis, and their bindings are totally different then the retail ones you have skied as well.
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^you forgot to mention how Fischer makes a stupid amount of skis for everyone else...like Salomon...
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True Fisher is actually as of last year the Largest manufacturer of skis worldwide and they make skis for Salomon, Volkl, and many others. They also make a bunch of snowboard brands and are the largest producer of cross country skis too. Has anyone here seen that there binding heel pivots side to side when it opens up to release? You can release without twisting the toe at all just like Line is trying to do but it's the Number One Binding in racing people, and it isn't heavy at all!
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Tyrolia heels release that way don't they? I had a pair of TD12s that did that.
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Yes Fischer has Tyrollia make it for them it's a tyr heel. It's amazing how so few people know about them though.
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I love the solid step in feel to them too.
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