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they have it in my shop and it sorta looks shitty to me. i guess i just dont like how they were designed. im sure they are great gear, im just not a fan.
alright thats ur opinion fair enough but you rolly haven't ridden with it this years is more water proof seing as last years wasn't enough 4 some but really it was plenty i rode in rain at steamboet with my raven last year and yeah it was wet but i wasn't and for the price you can't go wrong
yhea 5000 is plenty. the 3000 worked fine for me last year. And its cheep. What I really like is abunch of people rag on siver's 3000-5000 gear while they all line up to buy oakly 4000.
i have last years tactical and there really waterproof and work fine.. nice and warm on cold EC days that kid that said they suck prolly has never owned siver in his life