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Higher tail than tip height. gimmick?
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so a few of the more recent BC skis are having a higher tail height... i think JP vs. Julian's were the first, and I guess the Big Trouble has this now too... is there really a purpose to this? Is there any reason why your tip shouldn't be just as high as your tail, or is this just a gimmick for people who think they will be doing most everything switch. even if you wanted to ride and land mostly switch, why wouldn't you have equal tip and tail height anyways? enlighten me.
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Landing switch in pow is quite difficult, so why not have a bit higher tail to make things a tad easier?
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Yeah, I don't think its a gimmick. I've never personnally skied either of those but I would imagine it would help your tails stay on the top of the pow when landing switch.
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yeah, i understand that, it just seems like if a higher tip would help you out on the tail, wouldn't it help you on the front too? I'd ad more height to both... and end up with equal tip heights.
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Plus, I don't see JP making a gimmick on his signature ski.
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like, if say a 60mm tail height is good for landing switch in pow, wouldn't a 60mm tip height be good for landing regular too? why leave it at 55mm.
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Skiing regular and switch, you are unable to distribute your weight and handle the skis in the same way. Skiing regular you can lean back and keep the tips up no problem. You also tend to have a bit more ski in front of you than behind and the ti is softer, so it floats easier.
When skiing switch, the generall stiffer tail, less length, and more akward weight distribution make it harder for the tails to float. Hence, higher tail tip than front tip.
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i think that the way your knees bend, it is much easier to keep your tips afloat while skiing regularly. when skiing switch in pow, it seems like it is necessary to learn much farther forward to keep your tails afloat than normal. this is where the big tails come in. it just makes things that much easier.
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i think i pretty much just said what luke said.
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i wouldn't think he would, but in my opinion the rounded edges on tanners pro model is a gimmick.
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anyone remember the old K2's with blinking lights in em? now there's a gimmick. I had a friend who had them too... sucker born every minute.
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hahaha what the hell? i never even heard of them before. that's a gimmick at it's finest.
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yeah dude, they're old, they are from a while ago... but they had some vibration dampening thingy and there was a light on the ski that light up whenever they were doing there thing, i guess to let you know they were "working". wtf K2.
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oh, i think i remember a friend of mine had some atomics that had a similar thing. there was a trianle shaped "de-vibrator" thing halfway between the toe piece and the tip, and when he would be going fast enough it would glow reddish-orangish. lame.
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hahaha i remember the skis with the lights, i used to play with them in ski shops all the time, hit them to make the light go on!
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I still have some of those.
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i just looked it up... K2 Merlin VI.... these are the sizes they came in... ready? "183, 188, 193, and 198"
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I think the first K2 they had those lights on were the first Fours.
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my dad still has those skis, i bought my xp's right after they ditched the light, i believe it was the M.O.D technology.
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Back on topic......
They make the tail height bigger because most BC skis aren't centermounted so you need more tail.
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not true for the big trouble the tail is softer so thats easyer to ski switch in pow
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elizabeths got em.
its not really a gimic. its not making them more desireable. they arent charging for this addition. its like saying "oh the arv's are 2 cm wider...gimmick."
i think the tail height should be as high as possible! who would want to catch an edge on a switch pow landing and slide down the hill backwards to your death.
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you're talking about 5 mm. seriously. look at it on a ruler. does it really matter?
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now try it with your heel free. its a tricky bitch. i cant do it. but some skilled kiddos can manage it.
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It's definitly a gimmick.
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having ridden them last season, the idea is sick. you have to be very precise to land fakie in pow and the higher tail helps a great deal.
quit hating and go ski
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It works. It was well explained up near the top. No gimmick.
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I read somewhere that they can't have equal tip tail height because line patented that I don't know if it's right tho
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if that is so. then y does polards new skis have a taill of 45mm and nose of 44mm. y didnt they just make it even? well most of the otehr skis are even
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its helpful but stressing the point that the tail is 10mm higher then the tip is a gimmick. for a real difference the tail would have to be like 2 inches higher and that would look stupid. it is a marketing scheme just like the T-HALL pro being detuned underboot. WTF who cares. 10 rails after you buy the skis it will be detuned, if not why not just gummy stone the edges yourself. those edges are gonna be sharp the next time you get your skis tuned.
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dude you have no idea what you're talking about. a marketing gimmick is just that a gimmick, a gimmick by webster's dictionary:
A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick, especially a mechanism for the secret and dishonest control of gambling apparatus.
An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project: an advertising gimmick.
A significant feature that is obscured, misrepresented, or not readily evident; a catch.
its people like you guys that mislead potential consumers of our industry. the tail has a purpose, the purpose is to perform a function. the higher tail makes it so you don't have to lean forward as far when landing in pow switch, the tail helps with some of the work in that it keeps the ski above the surface of the snow. get it right, reread it, then post it. the shits so basic.
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