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The Right to Die?

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brogilvie
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So in English class we are discussing the topic of Euthanasia, which by definition means: The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment. That is quite a broad topic I know, but the other question I'm asking is what is your postition ones own right to die. Should assisted suicide be an issue if the individual suffering from such incurable diseases such ALS (Lou Garichs Disease) or MLS requests assistance in eding thier life because they would not be able to set up the equipment in order to do it. These people will generally hire Doctors who envelope themselves in this contraversial practice who usually prefer to remain anymous mainly because they can be persecuited for thier actions. One of the most contraversial examples involved a Doctor who was dubbed, "Doctor Death" because he assisted in over 150 assisted suicide cases. However, none of these cases involved him playing a role in active euthanasia, he would only set up the apparatus used to end the persons life he never did it for them, except for the last case, where he put the needle in a women's arm who requested his help. He video taped this and sent it in to 60 minutes, he is still serving jail time for this. My question is what are your thoughts on this? (that is to say if any of you even read this whole post).
Oct 15 2005 3:45PM
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Download-My-Apps
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well if the person is just gunna die in pain, you're doing them a favour. I know to some people it might be considered unmoral or unchristian. But whats the point of living if your just gunna be in pain.
Oct 15 2005 3:48PM
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J.D.
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I prefer the question "Is there a duty to die?"

It's much more interesting.

http://web.utk.edu/~jhardwig/dutydie.htm
Oct 15 2005 3:49PM
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cork5_thovex
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wasn't that Dr. Kavorkian(sp?)? I would want to die if i had an incurable disease that left me in pain for th rest of my life. I would probably have all ofmy friends and family together one last time and tell them what is going to happen and they would understand. I don't think it should be a crime as long as the doctors don't push the button or whatever they do.
Oct 15 2005 3:51PM
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freezed
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it's legal here in oregon.
Oct 15 2005 4:03PM
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clrumivier4life
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I think it should be ok as long as they are deemed terminally ill and if they only have a short time left to live or if they're in great pain.
Oct 15 2005 4:08PM
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Jessbuff
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As far as I'm concerned, if you kill someone else you go to hell and if you ask someone to kill you, then you both go to hell. So if you don't mind eternal damnation, by all means go for it.
Oct 15 2005 4:12PM
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J.D.
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Cool... so... you agree that it shouldn't be legislated then.
Oct 15 2005 4:18PM
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twintipteles
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haha, good call
Oct 15 2005 4:22PM
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Jessbuff
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alright, so apparently you want me to tell you about legislation.

I think that killing is killing so no, you should not be allowed to kill someone even if they are in pain. and no suicide isn't alright either. however, I think that a person should have the right to choose whether or not they want to be assisted with living (ie: life support) because life support is artificial and if you were to go off of life support I would deem that as dying naturally not suicide or murder. so there's my opinion on it.
Oct 15 2005 4:34PM
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altaeric84
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Its your life, if you want to die then kill yourself. You only live once and leaving in fear of what god will do is retarded, since he is made up and all.
Oct 15 2005 4:38PM
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Lax_Bro40
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In that persons case i think its illegal but like if the person tells the hospital to take him off something be cause he is in so much pain then they should
Oct 15 2005 4:40PM
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johanblaze
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is it really?
Oct 15 2005 4:44PM
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STAUSS
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i think if your in a "constant vegitatve ' state you should be killed. and if you have a terminal illness and you are suffereing. its deff legit.
Oct 15 2005 4:53PM
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Jessbuff
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so you are in favour of murdering handicapped ppl and metally retarded ppl? wow, I hope you never get voted in. hey how about babies? they can't move much or speak, why don't we just kill all the babies?
Oct 15 2005 5:08PM
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johanblaze
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i think he meant that they should be able to kill themselves. not be killed.
Oct 15 2005 5:09PM
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whattheshit
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tell your english teacher to rent the movie whose life is it anyway.
Oct 15 2005 5:10PM
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J.D.
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SORT of. VAE is legal I believe. There are distinctions to be made.

VAE = Voluntary Active Euthanasia (Sue Rodriguez)
IAE = Involuntary Active Euthanasia (Murder)
VPE= Voluntary Passive Euthanasia (Pulling the plug on someone because they asked for it)
IPE= Involuntary Passive Euthanasia (Schiavo)
PAS = Physician Assisted Suicide (Doctor gives you the pills, you take the action of taking them yourself)
Oct 15 2005 5:11PM
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freezed
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i believe physician assisted suicide is also legal.
Oct 15 2005 5:18PM
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bobdole
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haha...that is a horrible example. babies are new to the world and are learning everyday, to soon become like us. there not retarted, there fucking babies jackass..wow.. you kinda had a legit argument until then.
Oct 15 2005 5:21PM
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freestyle_rich
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if i got in a car accident or something and ended up being completly retarted i would rather someone kill me, i mean what are you supposed to do all day except stare at the ceiling?
Oct 15 2005 5:41PM
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Jessbuff
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If I had a legit argument before then, then I still have a legit argument whether or not you think my example is good. And I'm assuming no one would actually condone killing babies because they are weaker cognitively and physically.

And how am I a "jackass?" I'm standing up for handicapped ppl! And I realize babies develop, development physiology is one of my minors.

Anyways, no one has presented a reason for why we should change our laws to allow for murder or suicide under certain cercumstances. So giv'r.
Oct 15 2005 5:43PM
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matthasaurusrex
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illegal in ontario....
Oct 15 2005 5:44PM
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Jessbuff
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watch tv, have someone take you to a foot ball game, go on a boat cruise, get a massage, get a pet, enjoy nature, go to an amusement park etc. Just cuz you can't move doesn't mean that you can't enjoy life. There are psychological studies that show that fully paralyzed ppl go through a few months of depression immediately after the accident but then regain normal happiness levels.
Oct 15 2005 5:47PM
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freestyle_rich
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believe me, the day i can't ski is the day i die
Oct 15 2005 5:50PM
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skifree919
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Yea, but possibly not for long. There is currently a pending case in the Supreme Court that will be ruled upon soon that is debating this issue. Check it out, Gonzales v. Oregon is the name of the case.
Oct 15 2005 6:04PM
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skiierman
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I figure if you are going to die and you want to end it by your own hands, don't be a pussy and make a good show of it.
Oct 15 2005 6:51PM
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[~_~]
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dude, go to the library. ANY controversal topic can but put to an end by a Dr. Seuss book.
Oct 15 2005 6:54PM
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J.D.
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Let's take a specific case...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/latimer/

http://www.robertlatimer.net/index.shtml

Thoughts?
Oct 15 2005 6:55PM
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punk_rider
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people do it everyday, doctors do it everyday and don't tell people, no law is needed. have you ever seen a cop making sure the doc is making evrything he can?
Oct 15 2005 6:56PM
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prophet
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i'd say that makes you a jackass, because projecting your will on the choices of others is a pretty asshole move if you ask me. if someone comes to the conclusion that they do not have the will to live with a particular condition i do'nt think it should be up to YOU (figuratively) to decide whether they live or die. if there's a god he gave us the freedom to make choices, and if i remember correctly condemning people isn't so hot. so let them choose... i can only assume your argument is religiously based so listen to what they tell you about compassion.
Oct 15 2005 7:21PM
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punk_rider
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well ... so many countries allow abortion, why not euthanasia ... personally i don't agree on abortion and euthanasia ... but ... i guess euthanasia is way less horrible than abortion
Oct 15 2005 7:39PM
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freestyler540
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Well here is my point of view.

I believe that euthanasia should be allowed, but never forced upon.I know what my grandmother when through before dying of lung and overall cancer. She when through 2 week of agony...2 week of telling me she wanted to die.

Its the ethics of the doctor that does not let them kill someone, even if the patient is barley conscience with pain. Also you will get fucking pro life protesters on your ass.
Oct 15 2005 7:40PM
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punk_rider
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my brother is anaesthetist reanimator, seriously, euthanasia happens everyday otherwise, hospitals would be overcrowded
Oct 15 2005 7:43PM
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jerad
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Fuck you, if you don't feel like living, is God going to stop you? So if a priest is in a shitload of uncurable pain in Oregon, and he is prescribed a pill that will kill him - he's going to hell? Before you bring religion into this shit, take a step back and look at it.
Oct 15 2005 7:55PM
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punk_rider
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it's a fact, the Catholic Curch does not recognize some king of "right to die". but at the same time, in the Catholic religion, you are free to do whatever you want, it's up to you to decide and deal with St Peter after your death.
i'm Catholic and believe God forgives if you regret, had no choice, ...
Oct 15 2005 8:03PM
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freestyle_kyle
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k people who are too handicapped to kill themselves, they should have a choice to get doctor assisted suidide. physically able people can kill themselves if they feel that that is the right choice. So shouldn't phyisically handicapped people still have the same options availiable to them? shouldn't they have the right to die?
i dont feel that suicide is neccesarily a good thing, but if your are going through alot of suffering and there is no chance of recovery, it might be a viable choice.

i would say that the right to die all depends on the individual person's hadicapps or diseases, and they must ALWAYS give their personal consent before any action is taken. like in the tracy latimer case, tracy was a yound girl who was killed by her father. she was severly hadicapped and in almost constant pain (if i rmeber corectly), but she never said that she wanted to die. her father made the decision, and put her in the car and put a hose from the exhaust to the window, and she died of carbin monoxide poisoning. she had no way to stop herself from being killed. that is wrong.

overalli feel that people should have the right to choose if they want to die or not.
Oct 15 2005 8:18PM
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Jessbuff
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aight so im fuckin hammered now so fuck you all yhou fuckeez go to fucking hell man if you wanna kill yoursekf go for it fuckers \, fuck you fuckers . go to fucking hell if you want dawgz. i'm gonna not go to hell and so when i'm in heaven like now it nell i'll be lafing fuckers hahahahahahhahahahaa. don't kill yourselves now. and if you do it's nor my fault, you shouldve used reasonalbe care. yeah, i learned tat in class. if you got resonable carfe you can't be sued. acually don't kill yourseves. now i got resonalbe care so if your fuckerz are gonna kill yur selves tis not my faukt. fuckeeeeeerz! ahhHAHhhHhHhH
Oct 15 2005 8:46PM
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Jessbuff
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hahahahahah take that fuckerrrrrrrzzzz ahahahahahahhahaa
Oct 15 2005 8:47PM
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freezed
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im sure jesus will encourage you to get wasted and shout obscene things in heaven, right?
Oct 15 2005 8:52PM
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timmi
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i believe that if you are not happy with your life, you are wasting other peoples resources. and by dieing would actually be doing the world a favour

i cant spell euthenasia, but there is a site called www.churchofeuthenasia.com or something.
Oct 15 2005 10:21PM
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freestyle_kyle
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^ ahaha ur sig gets me evrytime
Oct 16 2005 12:40AM
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almostaskier
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hmmmmmm, that is very interesting.
i have a major opposition to that, other than the fact that i think it is actively wrong to kill a person (i believe that is u to God), in the way he killed his daughter, no matter the pain and her dissability.

One has to wonder wether it is acceptable for a parent to slowly suffocate a dissabled girl, even if no cure or any kind of soothing of the pain is possible.

By all acounts, she was cognitive. kids of 3 months are cognitive, they know what is going on around them, even if they don't understand what it IS. Ive even read that kids of 2 months know that there are predertimed rules to life in an article in Newsweek.

So is it humane (lets assume there is a humane way of killing another) to let your kid who is alert, although dissabled, to slowly suffocate and die of carbon monoxyde poisoning?

I do not agree at all with that action. He shoudl have, if it was inevitable, gone to a clinic for them to perform it themselves, or to have at least a fast and "clean" death.

i don't agree with euthanasia, as i stated above, but for heavens sake, have the decensy to make it quick.
Oct 16 2005 11:38AM
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J.D.
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Actually, the way he did it was downright painless. You pass out and don't wake up, essentially. And she was cognitive but not competent and unable to express her thoughts and wishes at 12 years of age.
Oct 16 2005 1:47PM
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altaeric84
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^But youre a suicidal alcoholic, so your opinions dont count!
Oct 16 2005 1:55PM
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jarossamdb7
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anyone who is against assisted suicide shoudl see this movie (Sea of Dreams):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367567/

I was never against it. There is absolutly no reason others should make someone suffer. It is entirly the person's choice. and dong give me religion, because RELIGION IS BULLSHIT!!!!
Oct 16 2005 2:01PM
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cjgncjgn
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she would not know what was going on... she would get sleepy go to sleep and never wake up. Completely painless, and you never know that it is happening
Oct 16 2005 2:22PM
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Hctiws_iks
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this issue treads a very fine line. The right to death will never be completely settled. Personally if i was in great pain in wich i wouldnot be able to recover, i would not want to live stuck in a bed. But, i have not been there, so i cannot say how a would feel at that moment. Choosing to die is a very serious thing, not only for yourself, but also for all of the people around you that it deeply affects. Legalizing vae(or passive) could open a pandora's box. What about the teenagers that feels suicidal? The legalization contradicts much of the efforts by the govenment and communities to discourage and stop suicide's. I find it nearly impossible to concur with any arguement about alowing widespread suicide. It is extremely devastating to people around that person, possibly changing their lives forever(im talking from experiance here). Even if stringent guidelines where involved, there would still be conterversy over what is allowable. So even though i can see situations where it is appropiate, i do not favor legalization.
Oct 16 2005 2:46PM
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powderdream
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that why im dieing in a hail of gun fire...
but for real if they want to die i think they have that right
Oct 16 2005 3:01PM
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J.D.
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You haven't really presented a clear reason as to why the condoning of suicide would result from legalizing VAE or VPE. It seems to be all vague and fallacious slippery slope reasoning. Is there any argument as to why this would necessarily occur? Or are you just linking the two arbitrarily? Simply contradicting points made to discourage suicide is not the same as saying it's okay. Certainly the difference between the two cases would allow us to differentiate between them in arguing for or against them as well.
Oct 16 2005 3:08PM
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EC-Tom
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If the person suffering from the illness/disease is in decent mental health and wants to be put to sleep, they should allow it.
Oct 16 2005 3:14PM
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