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Binding Answering time (with a little complaint :)

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Triple_Strum
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No offense, but probably many will take it... how the crap can 2/3 the kids on this site have no idea about bindings? "what kind of bindings should go on AR5s?" I mean crap, the same bindings work on every frickin ski. There are like 5 or 6 different bindings that work just fine for free ride that are solid with a high din. So here you go:

If you are lightweight and don't need a high din, Salomon s810 if you want a lightweight binding, lookp10, Rossi scratch, axial, power 100s if you want a slightly tougher but heavier binding.

If you are medium/average weight or do normal riding (hard pack, park, with occasional pow) then get something with a din of 12 or so to be sure. Salomon s912 Ti if you want a lightweight set up, Look p12, Rossi scratch, power, axial, or FKS 120 if you want a tougher, heavier binding.

If you are a big skier, or what a burly binding you will want a tougher, high din bindings. Recommendations include Salomon s914 (yes, they are actually metal and tougher), Look p14, Rossi Scratch, Axial, or Power 140, FKS 155.

Unbreakable bindings for those who are rough on their skis and/or weigh a lot: Look p18, Salomon s916 or s920, Rossi FKS 155 or 185.

I am not really recommending Line or 4FRNT bindings because they have yet to prove themselves. Not saying they aren't great, just dont a lot about them. weeeeee
Oct 13 2005 9:09AM
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gretch6364
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Well i just ordered three pairs of Axial2 140 Ti's.....got them for 219 a pair from my local shop....I am sure they will be way sexy
Oct 25 2005 5:56PM
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foodisfun
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u can't, the mods or whoever have to, so obviously this is a worthy thread
Oct 25 2005 5:57PM
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duders
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Does anyone have any info on Tyrolias???? Im thinking about getting them, mainly the Mojo 15s, but when I saw the Mojo 11s they were one of the smallest bindings in the store. I know that the 15 is supposed to be bigger and burlier but after seeing the 11s im really not sure. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Oct 25 2005 6:11PM
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TwinTipWonder
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Dunno when triple cum got sticky power... but i think we made a good choice
Oct 25 2005 6:47PM
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Snowcase
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yea thats cool good stuff
Oct 25 2005 8:43PM
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Scott_Morgan
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ya casue you know your shit lol
Oct 25 2005 9:48PM
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downhiller52
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i bought a brand new pair in 2002 and broke both bindings in 3 days. end of story!
Oct 25 2005 11:22PM
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skimasterflex
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You ar right. my friend and I broke that plastic peice on the 914 twice in one day, same first hit in the pipe.
Oct 25 2005 11:56PM
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freeskier1316
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i like this as a sticky its a good one to have as sticky
Oct 26 2005 2:59AM
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duders
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So theyre as weak as they look? Alright, thanks.
Oct 26 2005 1:10PM
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skisf4x4
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I'd like to jump on the bandwagon and denounce markers.

I've worked in and managed a backshop for 3+ years now, and we sell more markers than any other bindings. This wouldn't be a problem (90% of our customers are cruising geezers) if we didn't get them back with some regularity. They tend to test mediocrely when doing the torque tests (in terms of consistancy). They are better than a lot (lines and low-end/entry level bindings are the worst) but its still not great. Another huge complaint I have is their brakes. Our demo skis have Marker comp 1400s on them, and I constantly was breaking their brakes. Its kind of a bitch to change them, and a huge bitch to order them (working in a shop). It also caused the binding itself to crack more than once, and that sucked. Landing switch on markers is just NOT a good idea.

Don't get me wrong, I have thoroughly destroyed salomons before (cracked a toe-piece in half, broke the rails, brakes, etc etc) but they generally deserved it. They are the most consistant in my personal experiances both on the hill and in the shop. Looks pivot series also tests very well, and is a VERY close second in my opinion.

Keep in mind for freeskiing (especially in the park) its better to have your bindings flush to the ski... the markers all come with what equates to a built in riser. This is, of course, debatable to no end.

As a side note: I also agree that 90% of the people looking for race-stock bindings don't need them. As a general rule of thumb, if you NEED race-stock stuff someone is giving it to you for free. Pre-releasing sucks, sure, but cranking up your DIN to uber isn't necessarily going to stop that. I'd advise you to get a solid understanding of how bindings work before you adjust them yourself, or ask random people on the internet. If I can find a spare DIN chart in my shop, I'll bring it home and scan/host it.

grant
Oct 26 2005 3:28PM
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skibum193
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chris hates markers because they lost him a dam ski!
Oct 26 2005 7:34PM
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real9999
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05/06 Neox bindings are definitly lighter than last years. Not too many changes otherwise. The Atomic race bindings are supposed to be switching over next season too.
Oct 26 2005 8:13PM
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real9999
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Also, the Atomic Neox bindings are still the most hideous looking bindings to ever be mounted on skis.
Oct 26 2005 8:16PM
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Literature
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^Agreed. After breaking a pair of Reactor 10s first day, and two pairs of Rossi Scratch 140s (which were warrentied), I still use the 140s(last years). They seem to have the best heel and toe release of the bindings i have ridden. They are fairly strong, but still have the brake problem. I am currently running them at Din of 10, and still am blowing out once in a while. I am about 5' 8" and 180 lbs, so i am hard on bindings, but I still suggest them.
Oct 26 2005 9:41PM
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lanks
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stupid 810s. what a brutal binding.
Oct 26 2005 10:14PM
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lcc210
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Alot of the reason I buy race bindings isnt the face that they have high dins, in face it has nothing to do with that. I still keep my dins at 10 the same place they would be on something like a look p12 or salomon s912. Only difference is I cant rip the bindings in half skiing fast like I can plastic bindings.
Oct 27 2005 12:08AM
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duders
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I was looking at the Salomon bindings today and I have a quick question that I havent been able to find the answer to. Whats the B thing?? Like theres s912 Ti B80, 85, and 90, and I was wondering what that number means? Is it the width of the brakes or something or is it something else? Anyone know?
Oct 27 2005 12:21AM
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skimack
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^brake width.
Oct 27 2005 12:23AM
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hartig
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im sorry, but isnt it axium insead of axial? cause i have axium's..
Oct 27 2005 9:10PM
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Bangor
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I'm a big fan of either s912ti's or Line R12's. I've got R10's due to a combo of my broke ass and my shop lacking more R12's in stock.

But I like htis guide, it's good.
Oct 27 2005 11:49PM
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J.D.
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Axium = low end rossi bindings, Axial (well, Axial2 now) = higher end binding.
Oct 28 2005 12:16PM
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OReJow
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yes, its the width of the break... B85= fits waist of 85mm or smaller, etc.
Oct 28 2005 1:47PM
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ssfocus
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Some good info on here, but another important point to keep in mind also is the upward release of the toe.

Rossignol/Look bindings have the only true upward (or backward) release. Salomons will release upwards but only on a diagonal slant. Atomic and Marker(Biometric?) say they will but when I tried to do so in the shop they never released. Lines and Tyrolias don't have upward toe releases.

Having mounted and done releases for 3+ years my safest binding choice is the Rossignol/Looks Axials prior to this years Axial2 (which i think is a horrible idea, bring back the turntable). You get upward toe release, the 7 points of contact, and the heel pivot which greatly reduces the chance of destroying your knee. I recommend for freeskiing, all mountain or racing

I actually used a set of Lines R12's all of last season (50+ days) and besides a lot of scratches on them they are just fine (my only beef is the crappy brakes...and their a little heavy). I liked them some people don't. I recommend for freeskiing or all mountain

Salomons are consistent, I like their light weight, however some models (axe+) are a pain to mount. I recommend for freeskiing and/or all mountain

Atomics are nice cause they are light but a buddy of mines has blown up 3 sets in the course of 1 season (too much plastic). (oh and that electronic binding is a frickin joke) I recommend only for all mountain or racing

Markers are ok but their the only binding I have seen fail a return to center test at 6+ din right out of the box numerous times. I had one at 10 and did a twist torque test and the friggin thing stayed open! I recommend only for all mountain or racing.

We no longer carry Tyrolia, they seemed ok when we did, consistent releases. Your guess is as good as mine anymore as I don't know the product line anymore.
Oct 29 2005 5:58AM
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Literature
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^Yay for rossi axials. Bring back the turntable!!!!
Oct 29 2005 10:34AM
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Capurnicus
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I just like the way the race stocks ski.
Oct 29 2005 4:22PM
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Alpine3
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i am not a fan of salomon... they may be lighter but they sacrafice the dourability which look has... also the toe clip on teh solomons doedn't quite get all of the boot... bad grip.. this is what i find anyway.
Oct 29 2005 6:35PM
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MALONE
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too bad ive broke ALL of the "unbreakables" but there defintaly the best ones, nice write up
Oct 29 2005 9:01PM
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hartig
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ah ha.. i see now. thanks

i have no money for good shit
Oct 30 2005 1:18AM
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Shinta
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Is there any difference between rossi bindings and look bindings?
Oct 30 2005 10:03AM
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paprika
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Ive just got some Mojo 90s and Im between Tyrolias or Looks. Do the Tyrolias prerelease much? I havent heard much, but Im kind of tempted to try them. Any info appreciated, thanks.
Oct 30 2005 2:35PM
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Charley.
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Everybody taht i know who has tyrolia like them and never had problems with them. and the new mojo 11 and 15 have a good design
Oct 30 2005 4:23PM
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DaveHumphrey
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awsome. that helps me alot
Oct 30 2005 7:18PM
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CallMeAl
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marker's "free" binding is the best weighted, and most durable (with exception to the brakes) binding i've ever owned
Nov 1 2005 3:43PM
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Jib_This
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Brakes are brakes. They all brakes because ski brakes aren't designed for switch landings, period.

But so far as Marker is concerned, no, we're not biased. Marker blows.
Nov 2 2005 3:55AM
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Triple_Strum
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hey, thanks for trying to ruin one of the few sensical, mature threads on NS thus far.
Nov 2 2005 12:40PM
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=nick=
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is sensical a word
Nov 3 2005 10:52PM
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foodisfun
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no but who cares, everyone knows what he means
Nov 3 2005 11:47PM
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Triple_Strum
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yes it is
Nov 4 2005 1:45PM
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foodisfun
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really is it? not to be an ass or anything but i couldn't find any defintions online or in a real dictionary.
Nov 4 2005 3:13PM
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Aseets
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I'd like to see some weight restrictions put next to the lightweight/normal/heavyweight categories. I'm about 185 and dont know if its better to get a 10 din max or a 12-14 din max binding, only because the prices between the two din sets are usually pretty noteworthy.
Nov 6 2005 6:53PM
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gretch6364
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I would like to see a similar write up for some AT bindings...and boots
Nov 8 2005 4:49PM
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dontH8innovate
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Look Rossi Look Rossi blah blah blah, I've destroyed to many pairs of p10s p12s and p14s, the Rossi FSK series is the only look/rossi binding I'd ever use, Maker's are good bindings but the ski breaks expload alot, Tyolia's Exploade when they touch the snow. And if you actually ski park hard (I'm looking at you Bangor) Line bindings die.
Nov 9 2005 4:12PM
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Caden
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ihad tyrolia td8s for awhile and they pretty much broke to the point of they sucked ass, and i thoguht i wouldn't get tyrolias again, then i got a wicked ass deal on ld12s and they have so far been pretty dope for me. ive never had a problem of NOT releasing with tyrolias, although with my td8s i had a prerelease issue. the ld12s have been good about prerelease thoguh.

so in short, i like my ld12s and im going to remount them on some newer skis. i realize its just an opinion, but whatever =)
Nov 10 2005 3:24PM
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Grimace.
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i have some look p12 havent ridden them yet
and some rossis that are really nice
Nov 12 2005 2:11AM
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Grimace.
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i have some look p12 havent ridden them yet
and some rossis that are really nice
Nov 12 2005 2:12AM
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Grimace.
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sry
hit it twice
Nov 12 2005 2:12AM
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vanzipper
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bindings... they all have to be good. If not, people would break their whatevers and sue. And then the Binding dies..
Nov 14 2005 8:32PM
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Grimace.
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some are better than others.
thats just a stupid comment.
obviously some are better than others.
although they all have to pass a test for the minimum requirements, a person that skis manly park is not going to be on some crappy beginner bindings, this also applys the other way around by begginers not being on some high quality p18 bindings
Nov 15 2005 7:40PM
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